Re: Why does Sugar mount removable volumes ?

2009-11-17 Thread John Watlington
As 1.5 and other portable devices are using SD as their main storage: What is a removable volume ? On Nov 18, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > I have the subdirectories for some Activities installed on my > "permanent" SD card (it's in the "external" slot of my XO-1.5). > Os42 is not m

Why does Sugar mount removable volumes ?

2009-11-17 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I have the subdirectories for some Activities installed on my "permanent" SD card (it's in the "external" slot of my XO-1.5). Os42 is not mounting (at boot) my "permanent" SD card. I experimented with removing the SD card's entry from /etc/fstab. The first time sugar came up (after boot), it d

some os42 impressions

2009-11-17 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I've noticed "time-outs-from-the-game" with os40 that I had not noticed before. For instance, when I boot with the check game key, the boot process simply stops for more than 50 seconds (just after a message about rtc) before continuing. Sometimes quite trivial commands just stop for a notice

Re: Information on XO-1 power efficiency

2009-11-17 Thread david
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, John Gilmore wrote: >> Is USB device discover inherently slow? Or is the sloth just handling >> strange cases? Can I speed things up if I only need to verify that devices I >> knew about are still there? > > Bringing up the USB bus is apparently *designed* to take a large >

Re: Information on XO-1 power efficiency

2009-11-17 Thread John Watlington
On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > Has anything interesting changed in this area for XO-1.5? YES! XO-1.5 no longer uses any USB devices internally. We used SDIO instead. This not only provides lower power operation to start with, it also should allow us to suspend/resume much

Re: Information on XO-1 power efficiency

2009-11-17 Thread John Gilmore
> How well does sleep-between-keystrokes work if I ignore USB? Pretty well -- but check bugs.laptop.org. That's where our institutional memory of the bugs that prevented full blown suspend exists. Search for "power" or "suspend" or "sleep". If you're serious about working on this, I can spend s

Re: OS and Firmware testing for XO 1.5 B2

2009-11-17 Thread John Watlington
Thank very much for this report. Please trac serious problems! Comments inline, wad On Nov 15, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Tiago Marques wrote: > Hi all, > Here's some data I collected: > > Firmware Q3A13-Q3A15: > - > OS30: > hdparm -t /dev/mmcb

Re: OS and Firmware testing for XO 1.5 B2: gnash

2009-11-17 Thread John Gilmore
> Gnash and youtube is a no go. No error now, just a black screen Within the last month, Youtube changed their default player to require Adobe Flash 10, including ActionScript 3. Gnash does not yet implement AS3 properly -- that's why you got a black rectangle. The (shrinking) gnash team is wor

Re: Does anyone boot OLPC on nfsroot?

2009-11-17 Thread James Cameron
Consider the rdshell boot option so that you can gain control instead of sleeping forever. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Does anyone boot OLPC on nfsroot?

2009-11-17 Thread Hugo Chang
Does the OLPC initramfs "dracut" support nfsroot? It can load from tftp server when I type "boot net". I use OLPC sourse kernel and add support to root on nfs. The initrd.img is original,I didn't change it. the OLPC file is copied from olpc.fth and kernel command lines is "root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=:/

New F11 for XO-1.5 build 42

2009-11-17 Thread Chris Ball
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5 http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/f11-1.5/os42 Compressed image size: 412.28mb (-0.39mb since build 41) Description of changes in this build: * Kernel fix for keyboard crash over suspend/resume (#9661) Package changes since build 41: -bitfrost-1.0.2-1.fc11.i586 +

Re: New Synthetic Phonics Literacy Activity

2009-11-17 Thread Bryan Berry
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 00:33 +0430, Mike Dawson wrote: > Hi All, > > As many of the target areas for the XOs suffer from massive illiteracy > problems, and some live away from where schools will be built during > the time that they grow up and could benefit from a literacy learning > activity using

New F11 for XO-1.5 build 41

2009-11-17 Thread Chris Ball
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5 http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/f11-1.5/os41 Compressed image size: 412.67mb (+1.51mb since build 40) Description of changes in this build: * add support for 1.5 B3 machines Package changes since build 40: +bitfrost-1.0.2-1.fc11.i586 -bitfrost-1.0.3-1.fc11.i586

Re: XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread John Watlington
Good catch, Ben! In fact, I don't think either the XO-1 or XO-1.5 needs to sync before suspend.Maybe before a sleep, but not an aggressive suspend. A more vexing problem is not cutting SD power until it has finished completing its write. To address that problem, I propose trac #9692. Chee

Re: XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread John Watlington
There is no reason to believe that form factor is the crucial difference. I see variation between manufacturers and device class, with little correlation to size (full size vs. micro). Your full size Sandisk is likely to be an extreme III (class 6) versus the class 2 OEM version that we use in

Re: Devel Digest, Vol 45, Issue 37

2009-11-17 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Martin, By modifying the jffs2 images directly won't we lose the customized tarball and contents file that the XS uses to provide OS updates to XOs? DSD has a good how to here that illustrates what I mean: http://wiki.paraguayeduca.org/index.php/Construir_OS Reuben On Nov 17, 2009, at 3:54

Re: XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread John Watlington
We already tried running the SD interface at half speed to reduce power dissipation. It runs at full speed by default. wad On Nov 17, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi Daniel, > >> Today I tried to figure out why running "sync" often takes 5-10 >> seconds >> or longer. This slow

Re: Mounting jffs2 images on F11 / kernel 2.6.31?

2009-11-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 07:36:03PM +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: so there is a reasonable chance that .31 speeds our boot on XO-1. Hoping the F11/XO-1 builds include a .31 sometime... :-) 2.6.31 has been pretty unstable (WLAN stops working, X server crashes) for me, but at least I got resume an

Fwd: XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread Tiago Marques
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: >> On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:56 +0100, Sean DALY wrote: >>> as a former audio engineer, I was surprised recently to see a unit >>> like the Samson R16 for sale: >>> >>> http://www.samsonte

Re: New Synthetic Phonics Literacy Activity

2009-11-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:03, Mike Dawson wrote: > Hi All, > > As many of the target areas for the XOs suffer from massive illiteracy > problems, and some live away from where schools will be built during > the time that they grow up and could benefit from a literacy learning > activity using hom

New Synthetic Phonics Literacy Activity

2009-11-17 Thread Mike Dawson
Hi All, As many of the target areas for the XOs suffer from massive illiteracy problems, and some live away from where schools will be built during the time that they grow up and could benefit from a literacy learning activity using home schooling. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/SynPhony Norbert Renn

Re: Serial auto-enable works on B3

2009-11-17 Thread Mitch Bradley
BTW, after removing the power resistor, you must be careful to clean off excess solder, because the crucial gap is small and "embedded" in the large pads. I had to use ChipQuick to get the resistor off, then I had to add regular solder back to the pad to alloy with the ChipQuik, as ChipQuik do

Re: Serial auto-enable works on B3

2009-11-17 Thread Richard A. Smith
> With the dongle connected to the serial connector on the B3, it comes up > with serial enabled. Disconnected, serial is disabled. > > I haven't tried the pencil-enable technique. The new batch of serial adapters with this enable signal built in should be ready in about a week or so. 1cc wil

Re: Mounting jffs2 images on F11 / kernel 2.6.31?

2009-11-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Ubuntu Kinky Koala w 2.6.30 mounts our os802.img (and edits it) like a > charm... but my F11/linux-2.6.31 box doesn't like it in the least: There is another difference between the 2 kernels - 2.6.30 mounts it in 6.4 seconds, hot cache.

Re: Mounting jffs2 images on F11 / kernel 2.6.31?

2009-11-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 19:11 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: > I saw this before while working with block2mtd on another project and > was basically told not to use it. Ok. The mismatched eraseblock config is fixed. block2mtd seems to be the thi

Re: Mounting jffs2 images on F11 / kernel 2.6.31?

2009-11-17 Thread Daniel Drake
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 19:11 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Has this been seen before? > > Background: Turns out that using block2mtd, a loop device and some > elbow grease, it is reasonably easy to mount jffs2 images on a normal > linux host. (This is helping me simplify image-builder...) I saw

Re: Mounting jffs2 images on F11 / kernel 2.6.31?

2009-11-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Ubuntu Kinky Koala w 2.6.30 mounts our os802.img (and edits it) like a > charm... but my F11/linux-2.6.31 box doesn't like it in the least: I guess the default eraseblock has changed. Fixed with: echo "/dev/loop0,128KiB" > /sys/module/blo

Mounting jffs2 images on F11 / kernel 2.6.31?

2009-11-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
Ubuntu Kinky Koala w 2.6.30 mounts our os802.img (and edits it) like a charm... but my F11/linux-2.6.31 box doesn't like it in the least: dmesg: jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x0001e000: 0xc369 instead jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x0001e0

Re: XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:56 +0100, Sean DALY wrote: >> as a former audio engineer, I was surprised recently to see a unit >> like the Samson R16 for sale: >> >> http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=2009 >> >> which uses an

Re: XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Daniel Drake wrote: > Today I tried to figure out why running "sync" often takes 5-10 seconds > or longer. This slows down suspend, where all data is synced to disk. On the XO-1, it was necessary to sync before suspend, because there was no guarantee that a suspended laptop would reawaken any time

Re: XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread Daniel Drake
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:56 +0100, Sean DALY wrote: > as a former audio engineer, I was surprised recently to see a unit > like the Samson R16 for sale: > > http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=2009 > > which uses an SD Card as its main memory. 8 track linear PCM audio > reco

Re: XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread Sean DALY
as a former audio engineer, I was surprised recently to see a unit like the Samson R16 for sale: http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=2009 which uses an SD Card as its main memory. 8 track linear PCM audio record, 16 track playback. Of course, it's a case of several large fi

Re: XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi Daniel, > Today I tried to figure out why running "sync" often takes 5-10 seconds > or longer. This slows down suspend, where all data is synced to disk. > In all cases that I looked at, the amount of data being synced was tiny. > One example: in one run it had 160kB data to sync and it took 7.

Re: XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread Adrian Chadd
My experience with SD media in general (and I can't test it on XO systems; I loaned mine out to other testers for the time being) is that the performance is wildly varied. It probably doesn't help that the underlying IO is translating as "read, erase, write" in some cases for lots of sub-flash-"ch

XO-1.5 slow disk writes

2009-11-17 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, Today I tried to figure out why running "sync" often takes 5-10 seconds or longer. This slows down suspend, where all data is synced to disk. In all cases that I looked at, the amount of data being synced was tiny. One example: in one run it had 160kB data to sync and it took 7.7 seconds. (blk

Re: GSM/CDMA Modems support

2009-11-17 Thread Paul Fox
martin wrote: > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Martin Abente > wrote: > > Is there any chance to include CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION module in the > > kernel for the F11-XO{1,1.5} builds? In our region, GSM/CDMA connections > > are very popular so it would be nice to have support for them (for

Serial auto-enable works on B3

2009-11-17 Thread Mitch Bradley
This is just a success report on the new serial auto-enable feature on B3. I removed the mistakenly-stuffed power resistor (pr148) on the serial_en signal and modified a USB serial dongle (cut the trace that goes from 3.3V to pin 1 of the header, soldered a jumper from pin 1 to pin 4). With t