Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 112
On 12 March 2010 16:13, Martin Langhoff wrote: > I am somewhat intrigued by the behaviour I see around > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10058 -- one of the (subjective) > impressions I have is that if the download is steady, there is no > problem. It keeps waking up for tiny amounts of time. Last time I tried, WOL was not reliable. Trivial way to reproduce one problem: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9960 I haven't tested recently, but I don't recall seeing any changes in this area. If you continually ping an (inactive) XO with autosuspend enabled (at the regular ping interval) does it now survive for more than an hour? Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs GSoC 2010 Application In
Hi, >> Sugar Labs application for Google Summer of Code 2010 has been >> accepted. > Wow, that was quick. Many congrats and thanks! Oops -- I assumed this meant that the application had been reviewed and SL is accepted into GSOC, whereas the intended meaning was just that the application itself has been accepted, and will later be reviewed. My mistake! - Chris. -- Chris Ball One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Labs GSoC 2010 Application In
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Tim, > > > Sugar Labs application for Google Summer of Code 2010 has been > > accepted. > > Wow, that was quick. Many congrats and thanks! > > > I'm not sure exactly on the politics of the situation, but my > > personal feeling is that we should be quite encouraging of > > supporting OLPC projects. > > That sounds great; I'd be happy to chat more about this. >From the Sugar Labs perspective, I cannot see any reason why we would not encourage and support any OLPC project that is running Sugar, which is every OLPC project, as far as I know. -walter > - Chris. > -- > Chris Ball > One Laptop Per Child > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs GSoC 2010 Application In
Hi Tim, > Sugar Labs application for Google Summer of Code 2010 has been > accepted. Wow, that was quick. Many congrats and thanks! > I'm not sure exactly on the politics of the situation, but my > personal feeling is that we should be quite encouraging of > supporting OLPC projects. That sounds great; I'd be happy to chat more about this. - Chris. -- Chris Ball One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 112
martin wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > > note to others: mikus is describing non-default behavior. the > > default behavior is for the CPU to suspend after about 15 seconds > > of inactivity. > > And I assume powerd should play nice with the wol settings? in theory. > > I am somewhat intrigued by the behaviour I see around > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10058 -- one of the (subjective) > impressions I have is that if the download is steady, there is no > problem. It keeps waking up for tiny amounts of time. > > If the download gets more choppy, trickle-y, in one of the gaps the > machine misses the WOL and goes to deep sleep. > > Might be a race? hmm. it's not impossible. did you see this on os111? is that trac'ed? paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 112
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > note to others: mikus is describing non-default behavior. the > default behavior is for the CPU to suspend after about 15 seconds > of inactivity. And I assume powerd should play nice with the wol settings? I am somewhat intrigued by the behaviour I see around http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10058 -- one of the (subjective) impressions I have is that if the download is steady, there is no problem. It keeps waking up for tiny amounts of time. If the download gets more choppy, trickle-y, in one of the gaps the machine misses the WOL and goes to deep sleep. Might be a race? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 112
mikus wrote: > > please report your experiences with powerd on XO-1.5 > > I've been using powerd all along on the XO-1 on those builds where it > was available. Powerd allows me to set the timeouts the way I like them > -- MUCH longer than the ones in ohm's default. Cannot say that any > "negatives" have disturbed me. [Just now the screen dimmed on the > XO-1.5 during a 600 MB download via ethernet (to let me know that > eventually the system would suspend, if I did not intervene in the > meantime) -- so I pressed on the keyboard (and thereby forced > the countdown-to-suspend to begin all over again).] note to others: mikus is describing non-default behavior. the default behavior is for the CPU to suspend after about 15 seconds of inactivity. 45 seconds after that, the system will wake to dim the screen. 3 minutes later, the screen will be blanked, and the system will sleep. these are the settings that we'd most like testing with. feedback on the durations of the timers themselves would also be interesting, though finding bugs is moreso. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
What's the status of F11 on XO-1?
Last I knew, returning from suspend on an XO-1 running F11 left the keyboard/mouse broken. Is anybody working on that? What can I do to help? -- > please report your experiences with powerd on XO-1.5 I've been happy with it on XO-1. I just added a whole bunch of 0s so it never suspends. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 112
> please report your experiences with powerd on XO-1.5 I've been using powerd all along on the XO-1 on those builds where it was available. Powerd allows me to set the timeouts the way I like them -- MUCH longer than the ones in ohm's default. Cannot say that any "negatives" have disturbed me. [Just now the screen dimmed on the XO-1.5 during a 600 MB download via ethernet (to let me know that eventually the system would suspend, if I did not intervene in the meantime) -- so I pressed on the keyboard (and thereby forced the countdown-to-suspend to begin all over again).] mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 112
chris wrote: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5 > http://build.laptop.org/10.2.0/os112 > > Compressed image size: 678.89mb (+0.16mb since build 111) > > Description of changes in this build: > * Switch from ohmd to powerd needless to say, this switch is a big change. please report your experiences with powerd on XO-1.5, especially the negatives, ASAP. and while it's a feature that powerd is pretty easy to reconfigure, testing with the supplied default configuration is especially important right now, since it's likely very similar to what many thousands of kids will be using sometime soon. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
IN 1 HR: OLPC/Sugar Contributors Program Mtg (#olpc-meeting, 2PM Boston Time, Friday)
Please all join us right now reviewing the latest OLPC/Sugar community projects over IRC Live Chat: http://forum.laptop.org/chat Then type at bottom: /join #olpc-meeting AGENDA: * XO-1.5 early production machines now available & shipping: http://blog.laptop.org/2010/02/25/xo-1-5-early-production-laptops-free-to-contributors-worldwide/ * Fast Review of the 2 latest (greatest!) HW/Project Proposals -- please join us advocating for, and/or reviewing shortcomings of these proposals: 1. Competitive Learning within a Mesh Network - Munich, Germany 2. Big Sky Science Partnership for Montana Indian Reservation Schools - Bozeman, Montana * Which projects might you enjoy Mentoring below?! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects http://rt.laptop.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue=%27contributors%27 * New projects & libraries -- teaching them Community Outreach: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries 1. Competitive Learning within a Mesh Network - Munich, Germany http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Competitive_Learning http://dev.laptop.org/git http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=58992 [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] Requests 2 XO-1.5's and 2 XO-1's over undetermined months Project Objectives: The project's aim is to develop an activity framework for competitive learning/training activities over the mesh network. Two or more teams within a learning environment compete against each other. They can see the learning/training effort of their own and of the other teams, compare their own achievements, gain awards for achieving teacher defined learning/training goals. They see in real time which team members of their own or other teams are actively learning at the moment and which challenges their team and the other teams are actually facing. By getting immediate feedback over the learning/training effort - as well over their own, as over their team's and as over the effort of the competing team(s), pupils can be motivated to learn in a special way. Into the activity framework for competitive learning/training a model learning/training activity will be integrated. This highly customizable question/answer activity can be used to train foreign or first language vocabulary, maths, or any other knowledge that can be training in a sophisticated question/answer style. The learning/training activity uses experience from learning research to gain a maximum of learning effect within the given time dedicated to learning by the pupils. As well as the pupils, the teacher(s) can see the training achievements of the class and can retrieve detailed reports about the successes and the learning gaps of the class - via the mesh network he/she can even see from home in the evening which lessons are understood by the pupils and which have to be deepened the next day. Plan of Action 1. Basic development of activity framework for competive learning/training over a mesh network. 2. Internal tests and development within the team. 3. Integration of a simple model activity into the framework. 4. Beta release to the public and pledge for public testing/bug reports. 5. Development and integration of a demo interface design attractive to the first target group. 6. Intensive testing within a class of 15 pupils. 7. Integration of a sophisticated model training/learning activity. 8. RC and Pledge for public suggestions for additional interface designs. 9. Further development 2. Big Sky Science Partnership for Montana Indian Reservation Schools - Bozeman, Montana http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=59123 http://www.smrc.montana.edu (coming soon?) [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] Requests 10 XO's over undetermined months Project Objectives: Ten XO laptops will be used in a pilot project in the classrooms of elementary teachers on and near the Crow and Northern Cheyenne Reservations in Montana. The Big Sky Science Partnership (BSSP) is a National Science Foundation funded project, which has allowed us to work with teachers on these two reservations since 2006. Through our current funding BSSP is able to provide each teacher with a Mac Book. This allows the teachers to share web-based resources (simulations, videos, interactive media) with students. However, students do not have hands-on access to computers and do not have the freedom to browse and independently develop their understanding of science. All BSSP teachers have less than 20 students per classroom; therefore, 10 computers would allow students to work in pairs on projects. Placing the XO laptops in the hands of students would directly address three specific goals outlined in our BSSP project description. 1) improve the delivery of science instruction, 2) improve the understanding of science content and pedagogy, and 3
Re: XO-1.5 keyboard
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:54 AM, John Watlington wrote: > Hmm. I need to communicate more. > There have been a number of changes in the XO-1 keyboard > since production started. IME, the changes are quite subtle for those who aren't "in the know" -- except for the non-membrane one ;-) For example, the membrane thickness change is easy to feel if you have the two kinds handy, and touch & compare them. Without a comparison point, I can't tell one from the other. Is there an easy way to identify which "generation" of keyboard it is? Something we can ask when we're getting a problem report? > We have just cut a new set of tools for the membrane keyboard, which > increase > the thickness of the vertical portions of the membrane and greatly > reduce tearing. That's excellent news! cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Testing azerty in the updated xkeyboard-config - what's the right KA tag?
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Seems to work -- now dealing with the ofw cli is more confusing that usual ;-) Installed os802b3 from http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ and it works a charm. Thanks for the RPM! The deadkeys work and seem to make sense. I am not a French speaker (or typist!) so it'd be great if some francophones could doublecheck it. Of course, anyone playing with this will need to be looking here for reference http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Azerty_Keyboard as ours is not quite a standard keyboard. Using AZERTY in OFW is a bit odd because it ignores the non-ascii keys, and azerty has lots of them in non-shifted non-alt key-codes. Don't panic, your "2" key is not dead - press shift to get a "2" ;-) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: sounds cut off after screen standby
On 12.03.2010, at 16:37, Thomas PLESSIS wrote: > On a flash apps running with adobe air, sound is cut off after screen > standby. Any idea why this is do that? The kernel does not properly resume audio. Known, really old bug (#6201). - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Testing azerty in the updated xkeyboard-config - what's the right KA tag?
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > For the KA part, from http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/ofw-ka-files, > put setka.fth and azerty.ka in a USB stick, put the USB stick in the > XO, and from OFW, issue the command > fload setka.fth azerty Thanks! The setka.fth script didn't work for me -- got lots of complaints about the new data having a different size from the old data. So I did delete-tag KA add-tag-from-file KA u:\azerty.ka Seems to work -- now dealing with the ofw cli is more confusing that usual ;-) m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
sounds cut off after screen standby
On a flash apps running with adobe air, sound is cut off after screen standby. Any idea why this is do that? Thomas Plessis ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: q3a35 problem
>> Again - please tell me WHAT MORE a user performing a firmware reflash >> can do "to ensure that the firmware reflash actually occurred" ? > > On reboot press the x key (esc) to get to open firmware and check the > ofw banner at the top of the screen. My normal practice is to press the 'check' game button whenever an XO is being powered on. My reason is so that I am told (from the informational messages on the console) *which* device the boot is from. In the specific case being discussed here, the first informational message I saw told me that Q3A35 was being used. More to the point - the fact that (as the result of the key) OFW paused at the ok prompt (and accepted the fs-update command) led me to believe that the firmware now in that XO appeared to be functioning correctly. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: q3a35 problem
reuben k caron wrote: > > > On Mar 12, 2010, at 12:52 AM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > > > > > You also said "If the firmware update wasn't happening (say, due to no > > DC input)". But what I posted to you in this thread was: "What I do > > is > > to wait while 'flash u:\q3a35.rom' steps through writing, then steps > > through verifying, then restarts the XO-1.5." I would expect that if > > there were no DC input, then the 'flash' command would not display the > > "writing" and "veifying" countdowns on the console -- I believe I am > > justified in thinking the firmware update *was* happening. > > > > > > Again - please tell me WHAT MORE a user performing a firmware reflash > > can do "to ensure that the firmware reflash actually occurred" ? > > On reboot press the x key (esc) to get to open firmware and check the > ofw banner at the top of the screen. if mikus is flashing the firmare manually, and observes all the steps (through "verifying") happening correctly, then all that stopping at the next reboot to check the resulting banner accomplishes is double-checking that he flashed the right file. (not that there's no value in that, but it's not going to catch a h/w or s/w programming error.) paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: q3a35 problem
On Mar 12, 2010, at 12:52 AM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: You have to ensure that the firmware reflash actually occurred properly before continuing. >>> >>> ... >>> I believe the above actions are the "normal" ones to perform a >>> firmware >>> reflash. When you say "you have to ensure" -- what more do you >>> expect >>> from the user ? >> >> Yep. If the firmware update wasn't happening (say, due to no DC >> input), it >> would explain several of your symptoms. >> > > I do not understand your "Yep" (and following). > > I asked "What more do you expect?" Ypu said "Yep" -- but did not > explain as to *what more* you would expect from the user who is > performing a firmware reflash. Yould you please clarify. > > > > You also said "If the firmware update wasn't happening (say, due to no > DC input)". But what I posted to you in this thread was: "What I do > is > to wait while 'flash u:\q3a35.rom' steps through writing, then steps > through verifying, then restarts the XO-1.5." I would expect that if > there were no DC input, then the 'flash' command would not display the > "writing" and "veifying" countdowns on the console -- I believe I am > justified in thinking the firmware update *was* happening. > > > Again - please tell me WHAT MORE a user performing a firmware reflash > can do "to ensure that the firmware reflash actually occurred" ? On reboot press the x key (esc) to get to open firmware and check the ofw banner at the top of the screen. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
