Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Paul Fox
yioryos wrote: --- On Wed, 4/14/10, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: If not present, OFW (q2e42e) gave the message No signature for our key list My XO-1 has security disabled and boots fine. With the exception of the first boot that something on olpc.fth blocks it

Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Thu, 4/15/10, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: From: Paul Fox p...@laptop.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org, Fedora OLPC List fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com Date:

Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Paul Fox
yioryos wrote: --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: From: Paul Fox p...@laptop.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org, Fedora OLPC List

Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Daniel Drake
On 15 April 2010 09:48, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: what changed between the first and second boots that might have made the second successful after the first failed? See http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2010-April/028172.html above This sounds like

Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Daniel Drake
On 15 April 2010 10:01, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: so one possibility is that os140py isn't successfully enabling smbios, or not recognizing the results correctly. (assuming this bug is indeed an instance of #9100...) SMBIOS should not be required for not-crashing during early boot.

Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Thu, 4/15/10, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: From: Paul Fox p...@laptop.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org, Fedora OLPC List fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com Date:

Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Thu, 4/15/10, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: From: Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: Paul Fox p...@laptop.org, OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org, Fedora OLPC List

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Sebastian Silva
We saw this issue in our work with the Cantagallo comunity school here in Lima. Tuukka and Kaisa saw it in the teacher training they attended, it seems to be very confusing for new users, who have never used a touchpad before (they tend to touch the pad gently and briefly, obtaining a click

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Sebastian Silva
BTW how do you disable it? There is a thread about the subject currently on OLPC-Uruguay. http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-uruguay/2010-April/002075.html Sebastian 2010/4/15 Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org We saw this issue in our work with the Cantagallo comunity school here

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: BTW how do you disable it? Yeah -- can we disable it easily on F11 builds? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Daniel Drake
On 15 April 2010 11:40, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: BTW how do you disable it? Yeah -- can we disable it easily on F11 builds? (speaking only for XO) No. We would have to change mouse

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Stanley Sokolow
I have an old HP laptop with tap-to-click turned on by default when there's no external mouse. It is annoying to be typing text and have your thumb accidentally brush the touchpad and suddenly you're typing in a totally different location in the text, wherever the mouse pointer happened to be

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Paul Fox
daniel wrote: On 15 April 2010 11:40, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: BTW how do you disable it? Yeah -- can we disable it easily on F11 builds? (speaking only for XO) No. We

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Ed McNierney
Paul - This issue has bubbled up from time to time over the last 18 months or so (judging from my email archives). It is not at all clear to me that there is indeed a consensus from deployments; some like it, some don't. We tend to (unsurprisingly) hear little or nothing from the people who

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Richard Smith
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Ed McNierney e...@laptop.org wrote: Paul - This issue has bubbled up from time to time over the last 18 months or so (judging from my email archives).  It is not at all clear to me that there is indeed a consensus from deployments; some like it, some don't.

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Ed McNierney
Richard - I have a specific recollection of folks in Rwanda liking it. But my bigger concern is that we've shipped an awful lot of these with very few reported complaints. I just don't know what that means. It may well be that most folks don't like it, but I don't think we know. As they

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Sebastian Silva
Hi Ed, Our friends and volunteers Tuukka and Kaisa are currently in Pucallpa working with the teachers and kids. They probably havent seen this thread but this issue has popped up often here too and I wonder what you might think constitutes consensus from deployments. Also, the larger issue of

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Ed McNierney
Sebastian - No, you're quite right - it's hard. And it's hard to tell whether most users are silent because they're happy with it, or they're silent because they don't even realize that they have a choice. - Ed On Apr 15, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Sebastian Silva wrote: Hi Ed, Our

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Richard Smith smithb...@gmail.com wrote: Who are the ones that like it?  I don't remember any good feedback. +1 m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny

Re: SOLVED Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 15:50 -0500, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Disabling the security system fixed it (?) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_Developer_Keys#Disable_the_security_system All Korrect now Indeed. Our images are signed with the local deployment key, so they need either one of

Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 17:08 -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Was unable to boot XO-1 with build140py installed on jffs2, unless develop.sig was present. If not present, OFW (q2e42e) gave the message No signature for our key list I think Stephen Parrish is preparing to release an F11-XO1 image

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Ed McNierney
Tuukaa - I don't quite see how you can make statements like the OLPC project is not in close contact with the field. How do you know that? We *do* get many reports from deployment teams that represent hundreds of thousands of children, and try to collect and communicate that feedback

Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 19:35 -0300, Daniel Drake wrote: On 14 April 2010 13:22, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: * Remove olpc-update and disable the /versions kludge (me, smparrish) Great work Bernie! This is the only bit that seems a bit surprising to me. I noticed that Stephen

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 04/15/2010 01:52 PM, Ed McNierney wrote: We'd really like to see a *memo* about the *decision* that was made to change the default functioning of the touchpad to tap-to-click! Someone recognized the change in time, someone didn't assign enough importance to it to fix it in time. I did.

Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Daniel wrote: It i.e. /versions has only a 15mb overhead. When I type in 'du -x', on os13 it shows me /versions having around 100 MB. On os140py the same command shows nothing for /versions. [The remaining high-level directories (except for /home) have comparable sizes on those two builds.]

Re: illusion (Re: tap-to-click feedback)

2010-04-15 Thread Paul Fox
tuukka wrote: Further, the deployment teams *cannot* represent the children. They should strive to, but there is no substitute for going out on the field and seeing with your own trained eyes. while your point is well taken, the fact remains that no one but the deployment teams is in a

Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 17:54 -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: I usually bring the system up with messages being displayed (NOT in pretty-boot). Several times now, the system has paused/hung at about the time it should be running through /etc/rc.d/rc0.d (or suchlike). [Note: the camera LED is

Re: illusion (Re: tap-to-click feedback)

2010-04-15 Thread Sebastian Silva
Hello OLPC! Glad to have your attention! Now while we do, it might be a good time to discuss ways to improve the way we can provide feedback. Please don't let our past and constant frustration with OLPC taint the very fact that we are volunteers trying to help OLPC's mission. It is no secret

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread Tuukka Hastrup
Hi everyone, Ed McNierney escribió: No, you're quite right - it's hard. And it's hard to tell whether most users are silent because they're happy with it, or they're silent because they don't even realize that they have a choice. It's very easy to tell: the OLPC project is not in close

illusion (Re: tap-to-click feedback)

2010-04-15 Thread Tuukka Hastrup
Dear Edd, Ed McNierney escribió: Tuukaa - Thanks for your prompt reply, although it doesn't address the points of our report. We'd appreciate another one that did. Meanwhile, your reply demonstrates more general problems in the OLPC project, which would be worth solving as well. I don't

Re: tap-to-click feedback

2010-04-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Incidentally, I think it's important to distinguish between palm detection and tap to click. In my experience, most users who are used to tap to click, expect it -- and get frustrated when it doesn't work. On the other hand, I've been using a litl webbook with tap to click enabled since leaving

Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Daniel Drake
On 15 April 2010 15:48, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: I noticed that Stephen Parrish had removed olpc-update from F11-XO1, which made /versions also superfluous. Besides the nice saving in space, disabling the versioned fs considerably sped up olpc-os-builder. I'd be surprised if

Re: [IAEP] Local software installation

2010-04-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 14:48 -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: For a future release cycle, we may want to re-evaluate yum-updatesd as an alternative to olpc-updates which provides different trade-offs in terms of

Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released

2010-04-15 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Thu, 4/15/10, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: From: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: F11 for the XO-1 build 140py released To: Paul Fox p...@laptop.org Cc: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com, OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org, Fedora OLPC