Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 11/21/2010 08:54 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: Hi, Simon has built new Fedora 14 images for XO-1 and XO-1.5, available here: http://build.laptop.org/F14/os2/ These efforts are now official so we'll step towards making this into a proper release. There are still some pretty obvious issues

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Daniel Drake
On 22 November 2010 08:03, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: I think we should add a Version field for F14 (e.g. 1.5/1.0 software Build F14). That field is set by the reporter of an issue. The milestone is set by the development team/maintainer to triage his work, when he thinks that

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Daniel Drake
On 22 November 2010 02:34, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: Used yum to install the 1121 kernel.  Copied new /boot content into /versions tree.  But booting still brings up the previous 1119 kernel. What I did here worked fine with all previous builds.  What more needs to be done to

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 11/22/2010 10:08 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: On 22 November 2010 08:03, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: I think we should add a Version field for F14 (e.g. 1.5/1.0 software Build F14). That field is set by the reporter of an issue. The milestone is set by the development

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Daniel Drake
On 22 November 2010 09:24, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: We have to do that at some point when we want to do a serious release. In any case, I think reporters should indicate a version. We should not abuse the milestone field to get that information. If someone is doing that

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: XO-1 It keeps asking me over and over for a keyring password. What is this for ? Its used by telepathy-mission-control so passwords aren't stored in plain text files. Regards, Peter How can I nullify this function ?

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 11/22/2010 10:59 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: On 22 November 2010 09:24, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: We have to do that at some point when we want to do a serious release. In any case, I think reporters should indicate a version. We should not abuse the milestone field to get

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Daniel Drake
On 22 November 2010 10:32, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Yes, we do triage bugs for 10.1.3. Until 10.1.3 is out in mid December I don't want to get into F14 triaging. However as I have to read all the bugs anyhow, as you mentioned, I can make sure the version field is set

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 09:03:28AM +0100, Simon Schampijer wrote: I think we should add a Version field for F14 (e.g. 1.5/1.0 software Build F14). I disagree. The version field is for formal releases. The reporter of a bug may use Development build as of this date for the current F14 builds.

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 11/22/2010 11:55 AM, James Cameron wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 09:03:28AM +0100, Simon Schampijer wrote: I think we should add a Version field for F14 (e.g. 1.5/1.0 software Build F14). I disagree. The version field is for formal releases. The reporter of a bug may use Development

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
On 11/22/2010 03:09 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: See /boot/README XO-1 is now using partitions. /boot/README did not help me with my running XO-1 build os2, in which the only available partition is the ubifs for root. Have now written http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10462 Thanks, mikus

New 10.1.3 build os354 for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Simon Schampijer
OLPC build 10.1.3 - 354 = The wake up on multicast packages build. =Builds= http://build.laptop.org/10.1.3/xo-1/os354 http://build.laptop.org/10.1.3/xo-1.5/os354 =Description of changes in this build= ==olpc-powerd== * Better collaboration support when idle suspend is

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:55 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: I disagree.  The version field is for formal releases.  The reporter of a bug may use Development build as of this date for the current F14 builds. Can we split development build as of this date into F11 and F14? cheers,

SD card unpartitioned space -- used for swap?

2010-11-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
from the department of opportunity-bearing-tradeoffs... For XO-1.5 we build our OS images to be a bit short of the stated SD card size, because different SD cards placed in mfg vary in exact size. That means we always have a bit of space left over. We could add an init script that sets up a

Re: SD card unpartitioned space -- used for swap?

2010-11-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Assuming OLPC isn't using TRIM support on the SD cards, writes to the swap space are indistinguishable from writes to any other space on the card. That means that writes to the swap partition could potentially corrupt other data on the card, especially if it occurs less than 30s before removal of

Re: SD card unpartitioned space -- used for swap?

2010-11-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: just as well.  Our superstitions about OLPC's no-swap configuration may well prove to be similarly unfounded. Just to clarify -- side-to-side comparison in the past have shown a significant improvement. We did get a

Re: SD card unpartitioned space -- used for swap?

2010-11-22 Thread Daniel Drake
On 22 November 2010 16:41, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Just to clarify -- side-to-side comparison in the past have shown a significant improvement. We did get a specially bad-behaving kernel in our F7 builds in that regard, but even F9 builds have shown it to be better.

Re: SD card unpartitioned space -- used for swap?

2010-11-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
As my own clarification: I wasn't dismissing possible performance improvements (of any kind). I was just commenting on the old lockup bugs, saying this might not actually be related to no-swap-space, although it's possible memory pressure exacerbates the problem. For performance issues, you have

Re: SD card unpartitioned space -- used for swap?

2010-11-22 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Downsides - Increased SD card wear For about two years now, I've been defining a swap partition on the (external) permanent SD card I use with my XO-1 systems. So far, I have never experienced any problems with that setup. The advantage is to relieve memory pressure. In particular, I am a

New opportunities for XO-1 memory pressure issues

2010-11-22 Thread Daniel Drake
On 22 November 2010 16:03, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:  - XO-1 gets left alone in VM-lessness. Regarding the issue where the XO-1 is brought to its knees and stops responding (or just responds incredibly slowly) due to being overloaded, 3 new possible options for solving

Re: New opportunities for XO-1 memory pressure issues

2010-11-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: 3. Some people think swap will help. F14 images now run UBIFS which 4. Compcache has landed in 2.6.33 http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_33#head-2d401df4d54a65a60c31ce7c591cf7660851cfd8 m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  

Re: F14 os2 testing images available for XO-1 and XO-1.5

2010-11-22 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 07:50:52AM -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:55 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: I disagree. ?The version field is for formal releases. ?The reporter of a bug may use Development build as of this date for the current F14 builds. Can

Re: SD card unpartitioned space -- used for swap?

2010-11-22 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:03:26AM -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: - Slightly longer first boot - Slightly more fragile first boot (can we make it failsafe?) There's no reason to do this during boot. The new partition can be added after boot, followed by mkswap and swapon. -- James Cameron

Re: SD card unpartitioned space -- used for swap?

2010-11-22 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Assuming OLPC isn't using TRIM support on the SD cards, writes to the swap space are indistinguishable from writes to any other space on the card. That means that writes to the swap partition could potentially corrupt other data on the card, especially if it occurs less than 30s before

Re: SD card unpartitioned space -- used for swap?

2010-11-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: If indistinguishable is true, then there is as much wear to the SD card from one file-block written as there is from one swap-block written. Yes.  I have no measurements whatsoever - but my gut feel is that the majority

Re: SD card unpartitioned space -- used for swap?

2010-11-22 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 05:43:18PM -0600, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Assuming OLPC isn't using TRIM support on the SD cards, writes to the swap space are indistinguishable from writes to any other space on the card. That means that writes to the swap partition could potentially corrupt other