Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread Basanta Shrestha
Hi all, We are planning on ordering the next lot of XO-4s and I need some suggestions on which keyboard model to choose -membrane or hard/clicky one. We had membrane one for our first lot and keyboard switching was very convenient on that model. One reason not to choose hard/clicky one is that

Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 01:54:19PM +0545, Basanta Shrestha wrote: Hi all, We are planning on ordering the next lot of XO-4s and I need some suggestions on which keyboard model to choose -membrane or hard/clicky one. I think it is great to seek input from the community, but don't forget to

Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread Walter Bender
James, Do we have any data re the mechanical reliability/durability/repairability of the hard/clicky keyboards? We do know that although there were some issues with membrane pealing (presumably resolved with the newer design) there numerous ingenious local repairs such that most are still working

Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread John Watlington
Walter, You remember correctly. The hard/clicky/crunchy keyboards are not rated for as long a lifetime as the membrane/chewy keyboards. While the membrane keyboard design was tested to 5 million key presses, IIRC the clicky keyboard is only rated to 1 million key presses. (On the other

Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:03 PM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote: Walter, You remember correctly. The hard/clicky/crunchy keyboards are not rated for as long a lifetime as the membrane/chewy keyboards. While the membrane keyboard design was tested to 5 million key presses, IIRC

Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread Sameer Verma
On a related note, I was curious about deployment experiences with the new membrane design with plastic grid in between keys. Although this does help with premature peeling of keys, I've always had trouble with these keyboards - the outer edges of my fingers get in the way of a full key depress.

Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread John Watlington
On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:03 PM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote: Walter, You remember correctly. The hard/clicky/crunchy keyboards are not rated for as long a lifetime as the membrane/chewy keyboards. While the membrane

Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread John Watlington
Sameer, We made a tooling change to improve that feeling --- we increased the chamfer around the key openings so that if you miss the key slightly, your finger slides into the opening more easily. Unfortunately, this didn't go into production until the XO-4 hit production. Thanks for pointing

Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread Sameer Verma
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:19 PM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote: On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:03 PM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote: Walter, You remember correctly. The hard/clicky/crunchy keyboards are not rated for as

Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread Basanta Shrestha
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:20 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 01:54:19PM +0545, Basanta Shrestha wrote: Hi all, We are planning on ordering the next lot of XO-4s and I need some suggestions on which keyboard model to choose -membrane or hard/clicky one. I

[Server-devel] Server Backup on HaitiOS

2014-06-16 Thread George Hunt
Tim discovered that backups to the XSCE in release 5.0 were failing. I had changed ds-backup-server to use the WSGI interface (mod_python was obsoleted in FC18). So I assumed that the ball was in my court. But I believe the test just completed indicates that the problem was really that the

Re: [Server-devel] [UKids] Server Backup on HaitiOS

2014-06-16 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 03:35:40PM -0400, George Hunt wrote: Tim discovered that backups to the XSCE in release 5.0 were failing.  I had changed ds-backup-server to use the WSGI interface (mod_python was obsoleted in FC18). I suggest adding a test for backups to the release checklist for XSCE.

Re: [Server-devel] [UKids] Server Backup on HaitiOS

2014-06-16 Thread Tim Moody
sudo seems to work without setting the bit on ping, so that would be an alternate approach. either way, I did a test that confirms that your approach fixes the problem. as far as testing is concerned, ds-backup is already on the checklist, but we haven't always followed the list. I was more