Re: New release8.2 build 758

2008-09-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Robert Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, Attached is my summary of bugs fixed in 758, and (below) what to expect in 759: Any chance of getting #3050 fixed? It's a simple matter of setting a switch (see closed #654 for more discussion), was originally

Re: How did the testing go on 8.2-757?

2008-09-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, From Robert Myers: S Page sent me this: Browse 95 on 8.2-757 was working reasonably well for me. Today I ran Software update and now Browse version 96 won't start: AttributeError: 'module' object has

fedora-release package needs update

2008-09-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
/* %changelog * Fri Sep 05 2008 C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 9-3.1 - OLPC-local changes. * Wed Jun 25 2008 Jesse Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 9-3 - Add ia64 key - Fix config file markings - Stop using download.fedora.redhat.com in favor of download.fedoraproject.org - Reference GPG keys by arch

Re: New release8.2 build 758

2008-09-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/xo-1/streams/8.2/build758 Changes in build 758 from build: 757 For more verbose changelogs, see:

Re: New release8.2 build 759

2008-09-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/xo-1/streams/8.2/build759 Changes in build 759 from build: 758 Again, full changelogs are at: http://mock.laptop.org/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=repos;a=shortlog;h=koji.dist-olpc3-testing

Re: Google Chrome activity?

2008-09-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Ton van Overbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christoph Derndorfer wrote: On 9/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Anyone here motivated to

Re: Google Chrome activity?

2008-09-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to /. the license includes: By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate,

Re: New joyride build 2382

2008-09-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 01:00:39PM -0400, Build Announcer v2 wrote: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2382 Changes in build 2382 from build: 2381 Size delta: 0.00M -etoys 3.0.2121-1 +etoys

Re: Problems using pilgrim

2008-09-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/8/30 Niklaus Giger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi I am a member of olpc-ch which is promoting OLPC in Switzerland. See also http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ngiger. As I had to customize manually 10 OLPCs to use German/Switzerland as language for a presentation of OLPC to more than 100 children in

Re: How to get packages on the 8.2 branch?

2008-09-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 3:52 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do we need to do to get packages on the stable 8.2

Re: Faster build with XFCE

2008-09-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/8/30 BlistovMHz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can we turn faster back on with XFCE? I'm spending more time installing/configuring XFCE under joyride, than I am doing any real development. I'm working on power management, specifically with regards to dynamic idle suspend times based on user input vs

Re: How to get packages on the 8.2 branch?

2008-08-30 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do we need to do to get packages on the stable 8.2 branch? That's a good question. I assume we use the process we used for 8.1, which is that you create a trac bug naming the exact package you want and the

Re: XO Faster build?

2008-08-28 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/8/28 BlistovMHz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Faster has been unmaintained since Koji puked. Is this coming back up, or being deprecated in favor of Joyride? Its been suggested that someone may have simply forgot to turn it back on :) 'Faster' is always a short-lived experimental branch. It was

Re: [Server-devel] Network address for activation - Fwd: [Techteam] Activating laptops from the school server

2008-08-28 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:52 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we're trying to get the XS to reply to the activation requests from the XO. The service is listening on 172.18.0.1:191 which is what the non-activated laptops are trying. The laptop, however, picks an address in the

Re: Scratch fails to write to Scratch.activity/Projects

2008-08-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:40 PM, John Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with just making the directory Scratch.activity/Projects writable by the world? It's not officially supported. Other than being a way for activities to leak data past Bitfrost protections, in a future release

Scratch localization.

2008-08-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Scratch appears to require manual editing of the Scratch.ini file in order to come up in a language other than English. Is there any way I can pass a command-line option in bin/scratch-activity to set the Language preference based on the value of $LANG? I'd prefer that we not have to ship a

Re: New joyride build 2346

2008-08-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2346 Changes in build 2346 from build: 2344 Size delta: 0.00M

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas Bagnall wrote: In the course of making an activity server for the XS, I have looked at the activity.info files of 114 bundles from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities. One (Berkeley Logo) turned out not

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing the activity installer/updater control panel and olpc-update (a few days before) one design assumption from the XO team was very strong: that network clients on the XO could just ignore the XS and attempt

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, it seems like you need an offline DNS solution. Many legacy applications will assume they can resolve a DNS name to an address; it seems best to let them do this. Incidentally, http://wiki.laptop.org/go

Re: Scratch activity problems

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Saving of files: Scratch does not use the Journal, it uses the regular filesystem. Rainbow prevents Scratch from saving in usual locations. So, Scratch ships with a world-writable Projects directory underneath the

Re: CSound server questions

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Feb 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, John Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am porting Scratch to the XO. (Scratch is an easy-to-learn [...] Scratch includes commands to play notes and trigger drum sounds. On Windows and Mac OS, these commands use the underlying OS MIDI synthesizer. On the XO,

Scratch fails to write to Scratch.activity/Projects

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
In http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8166 there's a problem reported: Peru can't save their work in Scratch, because Scratch tries to write to Scratch.activity/Projects, and this is not writable. Luckily, there is an easy workaround: the directory $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/data is persistent storage which

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTTPS has many problems. None of the basic XO protocols use HTTPS. Will we never care for end-user privacy? We do. We just don't use HTTPS. You should know better. - At the protocol layer you mask a whole

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Network principles is a nice statement of desired ideal network topology. Which we may implement one day - but I am delivering a network topology and the _main source of XO services_ on a very tight timeframe and with

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Network_principles#Disconnected_operation is a principled means to substitute unavailable resources in the offline case. The solution you suggest has problems, and I mentioned them in my

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... found that people are using 'org.laptop' as a prefix incorrectly (if everyone uses org.laptop as a prefix, then OLPC loses the ability to assign unique names in this domain). Undoubtedly people who are dbus

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bobby wrote: it's helpful, but could be better. how should i, an individual contributor with no particular domain that i own or belong to, construct a name? the given example of com.redhat.Sugar.BrowserActivity isn't much of a

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTTPS has many problems. None of the basic XO protocols use HTTPS. Will we never care for end-user privacy? We do. We just don't use HTTPS. You should know better. - At the protocol layer you mask a whole

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Network principles is a nice statement of desired ideal network topology. Which we may implement one day - but I am delivering a network topology and the _main source of XO services_ on a very tight timeframe and with

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Network_principles#Disconnected_operation is a principled means to substitute unavailable resources in the offline case. The solution you suggest has problems, and I mentioned them in my

Re: Cerebro (was Re: Almost 50% less free memory in joyride-2302 compared with Update.1 (708))

2008-08-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 5:16 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cerebro is running there for some reason (I've seen it in another bug report already). I can't reproduce on a clean 2328 joyride, not sure if it has been fixed or something weird is going on. Cerebro is enabled in

Re: Workaround for the sound lockup?

2008-08-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 5:17 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's fixed in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e14. Thanks for the hint! Shame that I didn't know earlier... Incidentally, the workaround was

Re: Which stream to test for 8.2 or have we officially branched now?

2008-08-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Ton van Overbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noticed that idle suspend was enabled again in recent joyrides. pgf replied that this was intentional since we now have a revived 8.2 build stream. But I have not seen any announcement yet on branching/freezing etc.

Re: Which stream to test for 8.2 or have we officially branched now?

2008-08-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... but 8.2-756 is our best stable candidate so far. Michael (the release manager) will presumably announce it as such after we do our usual local QA ... Unfortunately 756 appears to have screwed up some sort of

Re: Build 754 (8.2)

2008-08-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:45 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:17 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've made build 754 on the stable 8.2 stream, resynchronized to joyride-2313. (See http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/8.2-joyride.html) I've just

Re: OS versioning

2008-08-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:31 AM, victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for their quick and comprehensive responses. Some more information on the correspondence between names and release numbers can be found at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes and

Re: joyride releases

2008-08-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Aug 2008, at 02:53, Ricardo Carrano wrote: I am reading a ticket (7967) that reports tests based on joyride 2302. But this version did not seem to be released (from 2301 it jumps to 2311). What am I missing?

Re: Problems switching back from joyride-2290 to Update.1-708 (rainbow). Help wanted.

2008-08-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:16:01PM -0400, Ton van Overbeek wrote: For my testing for trac #7788 I want to switch from Update.1 to joyride-2298 and vice versa (using alternate boot). After switching back from joyride-2298 to

Re: Problems switching back from joyride-2290 to Update.1-708 (rainbow). Help wanted.

2008-08-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other change we could consider would be to rev the isolation spool version number from 1 to 2 in Rainbow and in the Datastore. There is a small risk that other people might have hardcoded the '/home/olpc/isolation/1'

Re: joyride version announcements

2008-08-20 Thread C. Scott Ananian
There haven't been joyride build announcements, because there haven't been (successful) joyride builds, because RedHat's koji system has been down. Koji came up for a while yesterday (it seems to be down again today) and I pulled all the packages on the olpc-dist3 branch locally. I've now

Build 754 (8.2)

2008-08-20 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I've made build 754 on the stable 8.2 stream, resynchronized to joyride-2313. (See http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/8.2-joyride.html) In addition, I've made the following stable-build-stream-only changes: - Fixup /etc/fedora-release so that yum works properly (trac #4264, #7398) - Disable X shared

Re: Missing critical dependency, Koji

2008-08-19 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 8:27 PM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, in the meantime, we have raw rpmbuild, mock (which needs to be configured not to use Fedora's koji, but this is not so hard), our own buildroot (probably hidden away somewhere on weka.laptop.org), and the joyride

Re: Missing critical dependency, Koji

2008-08-19 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 02:13:28PM +1000, James Cameron wrote: We don't have a duplicate of Koji we can use? How wrong is that! We talked about it but Dennis argued passionately that a) creating our own koji instance

Preparations for forking 8.2.

2008-08-19 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I've revived and turned the crank on the 8.2 branch in preparations for forking a stable stream from joyride. The build announcers will probably shortly announce build 753, which should be more-or-less identical to the latest joyride. You can try it out with: # olpc-update 8.2-753 Although I

Re: sugar activity updater

2008-08-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Aug 2008, at 22:48, C. Scott Ananian wrote: Trac #7733. I am annoyed as well. As someone on the activity side of the fence, I like warnings, I have a [...] +10 for warnings. Just to be clear, I'm not annoyed

Re: what is a Customization key ?

2008-08-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:22 AM, S Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to pick on him, but Erik Garrison wrote: I have built a customization key for use by PerĂº immediately following provisional testing. ... The key is comprised of the previously shipped PerĂº activity pack and an updated

Re: Next joyride beta delayed.

2008-08-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, We began considering joyride-2294 for this week's beta selection process this morning and, this evening, Joe discovered some interesting hangs on laptops running the sugar activity updater. We believe that these

Re: sugar activity updater

2008-08-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The activity updater seems to take lots of time when accessing large Activities (e.g., the Firefox.xo file in the repository). It also produces LOTS of 'WARNING:' messages about the Activity bundles I *have* installed

Re: Firefox 3 available via software-update

2008-08-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Ton van Overbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday when running software-update from the control panel on joyride-2280 Firefox showed up. It is a port of Firefox 3 to the XO by C Scott Ananian: (http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/firefox-activity

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Trac #7480: Need to 'reset' the network configurations - short term fix

2008-08-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I moved discussion back to http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7480 , including citing Morgan's objections quoted above and proposing a solution. Does anyone want to implement an email-trac gateway, like debian's bug tracker has? That would help a lot when discussion veers off into email. --scott --

Re: New faster build 2289

2008-08-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Gary Oberbrunner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Build Announcer v2 wrote: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2289 Hi folks; is there still a difference between faster and joyride? I thought they got merged a while ago. ?

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Trac #7480: Need to 'reset' the network configurations - short term fix

2008-08-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A nice gateway would work by filtering emails with some flag in their subject line, e.g. [TRAC #7480]. Is this how debian's bug tracker does implements the gateway UI? rt works like that. Debian's bug tracker uses a new

Re: [sugar] new 8.2.0 beta joyride - upgrading via control panel ?

2008-08-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Please send me sugar logs for any activity update control panel failures, along with details on what activity it was attempting to download at the time. Please be sure you are using joyride-2266 or later, and that you have suspend turned off. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL

inhibiting suspend via dbus

2008-08-09 Thread C. Scott Ananian
As it turns out, the activity update control panel needs to inhibit suspend, too, otherwise we go to sleep in the middle of downloading large activities (Firefox, TamTam, etc). Chris, could you make a little wiki page explaining how to interact w/ ohm via dbus to temporarily inhibit suspend, and

Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button

2008-08-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance - the XO has been sitting there for a minute or more (in Terminal). I want to key in a command, so I start typing. Nothing changes. I do *NOT* know if my XO is alive or dead. Suddenly (after one or more

Re: suspend on 'idle'

2008-08-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:30 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't forget to think about what 'idle' means. Chris Ball is the power guru; if you can come up with a succinct test that ohm can do to determine if there is 'real work' going on that should inhibit idle, I'm sure

Re: suspend on 'idle'

2008-08-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More to the point, I perform a number of actions as part of installing a new build. Lately, if I forget to first set 'inhibit-idle-suspend', the XO is __suspending__ on me while performing downloads (via yum) of modules

Re: Why we are about to not bother upkeeping TamTam.

2008-08-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:16 -0400, jean piche wrote: If you are interested in doing this yourself, here is my approximate plan of action: 1. Test all the builds on latest joyride by installing manually 2. Read the specs

Re: [OLPC Security] preliminary [PATCH] and discussion for #5657: activity isolation for all activities in ~/Activities

2008-08-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem: anything named Journal, Terminal, Log, or Analyze is not isolated. This is the biggest security hole we have right now: it is a trivial way for any activity to get root access. Another possible short-term

Re: New faster build 2242

2008-08-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/8/1 Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2242 I've unretired the faster branch temporarily to collect some measurements on the costs of adding xfce to our builds. I also added some patches from my local git to sugar-artwork for

Re: New faster build 2242

2008-08-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:57 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/1 Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also added some patches from my local git to sugar-artwork for #7641 (fixing some broken icons in xfce) and to sugar for #7495 and #7685 for my own testing

Re: New joyride build 2222

2008-07-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone whose activities use Numerical arrays in Python should check that they still work in +. If anything is broken, I'll be happy to help fix it. The only Activity I am sure needs to be checked is Measure. I

Re: Tuxpaint activity is bloated

2008-07-25 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sugar-is-lame string comes from a value that activities are required to provide, even when the value is of no use. Activity authors are being forced to provide a random string that is of no use to the activity, so of

Re: Definition of Stable Enough To Release for 8.2.0

2008-07-25 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9 - Always boots up, especially when there is no space on NAND Always is a tricky one :-) - might be useful to focus on specific issues - boots even with no space on NAND to a mode that allows user-controlled file

Re: joyride keyboard problems GL/glx

2008-07-25 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/7/25 Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 08:10:21AM -0400, Chris Marshall wrote: For a lot of applications, using the 3D framework with the simpler geometries and more image-oriented, a software OpenGL can be quite acceptable. Forgive the uninformed question, but

Re: joyride keyboard problems GL/glx

2008-07-25 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Ton van Overbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just FYI. Tried to boot both joyride-2207 and joyride-2210 (the devel-ext3 variant) on qemu (on win XP/SP2) but both fail with the same error: (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/sri/swrast_dri.so failed

Re: odd yum dependency issues in joyride

2008-07-25 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've been slowly moving my g1g1 machine forward to joyride (from 656). i had customized it quite a bit, and am trying to restore those changes. i've got xfce running, but a couple of yum dependencies (which were fine with F7) are

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: really surprisingly short. Each item on the list has been debated to a stationary point over the last two years, so all that is left is to make a final decision for the engineers to execute. Each task could be

Re: automated tests

2008-07-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there already a facility for automated tests ? (tinderbox + some-X-tool ?) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Tinderbox More tests wanted! --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

2008-07-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: security wizard at OLPC removed that recommendation from the Wiki page, thus leading to your current troubles. If Mikus had followed your suggestion, we would not have found this (legitimate) bug. Thank you, Mikus. It's

Re: NAND out of space crash

2008-07-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two issues here that we should be sure to not intertwingle: 1) whatever behavior Sugar may have when low/out of space, during operation, or at boot time. A number of independent issues here: a) the initscripts

Re: NAND out of space crash

2008-07-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:55 PM, David Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #6480 is fixed as of yesterday, should be in next joyride. Yeah. Since it was purely cosmetic I figured it might as well just wait to come through 'naturally'. It's not purely cosmetic: in my testing the bogus

Re: NAND out of space crash

2008-07-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A number of independent issues here: I have edited http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7125 to clarify the pieces of this bug and to make the component tasks (including #5317) more obvious. I have *not* attempted to set

Re: [laptop.org #16813] joyride builds failing due to insufficient space

2008-07-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:03 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sugar - 0.81.6-4.20080715git8137d5c37f.fc9.i386: Insufficient space in download directory

Re: NAND out of space crash

2008-07-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: b) sugar should, ideally, start even if flash is full. It is currently failing when writing to ~olpc/.boot_time or some such, and crashing. In olpc-utils: usr/bin/olpc-session. This was done for performance testing

Re: NAND out of space crash

2008-07-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:57 PM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like we should be able to produce a upgrade and customize key that does this in one step, and preserves the activation key for the laptop. Yes. The issues in the past have just been coordination-related. I

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

2008-07-19 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I am running a joyride build on that system. This whole business of what indicators need to be placed where is a complete mystery to me. That is why I use a permanent SD card, with my develop.sig on that card --

Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar

2008-07-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope our alert system will use the freedesktop.org standard: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php It is widely used

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree that this is a goal that makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, my experience says that the approach you are suggesting won't be less work than what we are doing right now, because the software components you

Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar

2008-07-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:44 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/7/15 Jameson Chema Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you have a better idea of how Glucose should handle these issues, please share it. Simplifying assumptions are good, even if they're not 100% valid. Versions in activity.info files are either plain integers, or RPM-standard version strings,

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/7/14 Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 3 - Encourage schools to completely reflash (cleaninstall) their laptops each year. At the end of the school year, you save away kids data (hopefully that is done automatically) and you do a cleaninstall of the next year's image; retest all the latest

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when that button is pressed. The problem with this design, of course, is that it exposes the email in a place where spammers can easily find Yes, that is life in the 200x's. Every major package management system has this

Re: Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 11:35 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Is there anything else in the 8.2.0 release which will improve responsiveness of the XO in general? I think the new X server in the distro upgrade is supposed to launch

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Another option is to provide a one-time flag passed at file creation time (O_CREAT) to enable/disable compression. This would also require VFS changes but I think would be simpler; however, this case has the

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Another option is to provide a one-time flag passed at file creation time (O_CREAT) to enable/disable compression. This would also require VFS

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:05 PM, NoiseEHC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently I am profiling/rewriting the LZO decompression code. Again, be warned that there's no guarantee we will ever use LZO compression. The plan of record is to disable compression on selected files instead. That's not to

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/7/14 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There was an extensive discussion on this topic a while back on IRC, which I unfortunately don't have a record of. There was also mention of this in the mailing lists not too long ago, initiated by Morgan:

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They don't get it? Or they don't get how a single integer is supposed to be sufficient, and therefor use their own methods? Do you have examples of specific random and bogus strings we can look at to see what's been tried?

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, there's nothing saying that this has to be a particular person's email address. It could be a list, or a mailinator account, or pass

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure this satisfies me. It might accurately handle the use case of updating when upgrading, assuming that activity developers are very careful to add extra info about compatibility into the .info file. It doesn't

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My suggestion is to use names of famous pedagogues as code names. I suggest we call this one Freire for Paulo Freire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Freire) Any other votes or code name suggestions? Well, I'm not sure

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They could be made available on a web site instead, or we could aim at integrating log with trac. GNOME, for example, has bug-buddy which reports crashes to bugzilla. The goal from the beginning has been to

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with almost everything jquinn said, except for the use of ':' to delimit version numbers. Like it or not, the rest of the software world uses

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:51:20PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:00 PM, NoiseEHC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a partially finished ZLIB decompression code as well. mstone just told me that

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is still a whole bunch clearer than trying to convince someone that version 5 is newer than version 10! (where 10 is a bugfix release to what used to be version 4.) You're undercutting your own points: what

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Version numbers are used to communicate API/ABI compat and degree/type of changes to users. Later in this thread Eben suggests what everyone else in the industry is using: major.minor - sounds good to me. Even better -

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
The general solution to this problem is trac #4951, the activity updater, which I've landed recently. Trac #7495 says that the first boot after an upgrade should open the activity updater, so that a version of the activity compatible with the new OS can be installed if necessary. The activity

Re: New 8.2 Stream

2008-07-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Please bump the version number for the 8.2 series to 720 or 750 so that we maintain a consistent numbering for stable series builds. Commit e2edf07ed3249b6b639c8f3102198d3ffa2654b2 should also be reverted in the 8.2 branch, as it is only appropriate for joyride. (We used to maintain a strict

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