h doesn't mention how he feels about swapping in particular.
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it still exists and we get time. I've updated the wiki ("Requirement 12
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be a fine model for the new one.
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that's fine too and you should stay on 8.2.x for another few weeks.
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driver) optimizations are required to
> make a particular filesystem fast on that device.
Does e.g. "dd if=mtd0 of=somefile bs=1M count=20" accomplish this?
(When a program expects a block device argument, you can give a raw
"mtd0&
Hi,
> The logs at http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs.html say:
> joyride-2582 (pkgs) ! Build incomplete Error Downloading Packages:
> Any idea someone?
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I think you probably shouldn't try to accomplish this, or should try to
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that we might be able to get something acceptable, perhaps requiring
some package rework.
Then we'd just need to turn Scott's Sugar+XFCE into a Sugar+GNOME,
and work out how much space we can use for GNOME apps..
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at the same time after olpc-update, as we do now?
Anyway, you get the idea -- this brings up a massive amount of issues,
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just to developers who are interested in working out where the rest of
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> Yes. For example, we can add information about postal-mail
> requests to the page, without opening up the 767 build.
I think Ed's point is that someone who wants to take advantage of a
postal-mail request necessarily can't talk to activation.l.o. :)
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G1 image deadline) to pull this together, and decided that
it's much more flexible to fix bugs and handle translations and giving
instructions on devkey installation on the server-side, rather than
needing to preload them all ahead of time. Scott will know more, since
he did the work.
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ance wins in suspend/resume.
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$GTK2_RC_FILES is correct inside the rainbow child, yet we look for
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I'm sure the news will make it to the list. In the meantime, please
don't have any expectations *at all* about the workings of Joyride.
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Done.
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ith the plan above -- it's the plan of record.
We should go ahead and ask the Fedora folks to make these changes (and
point Joyride at them); Marco, perhaps you could ask around in
#fedora-admin for someone willing?
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> hardware.
I'm fine with giving commit access to pilgrim/joyride to any Sugar
developers who want it. Shall we just do that instead?
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> Every time I try one of the debxo 0.3 or debxo 0.2 JFFS2 images, I
> get the error message "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:75: Error writing to NAND
> FLASH" and it fails.
You need to upgrade Open Firmware to q2e20.
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d joyride-2521 is the first build with a "master"-branch
kernel which is based on 2.6.27 -- please do file bugs if you see
any odd kernel behaviors. I've checked that both the kernel and
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words,
so that language vocabulary could be taught even without textual
translation to a local language?
Feel free to come up with questions/ideas around language learning on
the XO in general in this thread, and they'll make it into the
conference talk.
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and restarting Firefox doesn't help, and milestone/version fields are
duplicated on http://dev.laptop.org/newticket . Still can't reproduce
on my own machine for some reason..
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I can't reproduce this here, but we did make a change yesterday
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I'm not yet entirely convinced that we should wait that long, though.
Anyone who has used a laptop running OS X will have noticed that it
dims the backlight after just a few (ten?) seconds of inactivity.
I'll add this topic to the ta
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We'd have to define a clean shutdown first.
I think using power button to suspend is mostly a holdover from before
lid closing was reliable. I'm not sure we still have a good rationale
for it.
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we ran into troubles with rebasing too late in the release cycle last
time.
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Is there something your instructions fail to mention, such as having
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gnome-power-manager does this. (Perhaps it should move into HAL.)
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go to ubifs: we need OFW to be able to boot the system, and it doesn't
have an ubifs driver.
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> close/open your lid, or otherwise suspend. :-/
Yeah, the USB bus is entirely unpowered during suspend.
If there's a software bug or regression here (rather than a failure of
physics), we should file it.
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Hi,
There's a new set of pyweek games available:
http://www.pyweek.org/7/entries/
http://www.pyweek.org/
If someone has time, it'd be good to try some of them and see which are
suitable for installing on the XO. (And there are previous pyweek
collections, too.)
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/dev/mapper/XS-srv917G 871G 38G 96% /srv
> ISTR talking about moving all this stuff _away_ from xs-dev, and to
> a machine with no internet-facing services? This was many moons
> ago...
Henry could answer that, I think..
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ck. Both are running
> Q2E12
Lid open was unreliable (it's likely sporadic on both machines) in
update.1, and should be fixed in the latest 8.2 candidates as part
of Trac #5703. Let us know if the problem occurs in 8.2-760.
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replying might decide to give 20 suggestions instead of 10, or to omit
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Satya's talking about speech-to-text, not text-to-speech.
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Thanks to Madeleine Ball for preparing the snapshot, and Martin Walker
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> lid and the light is still on. ).
This is #8137, and is unlikely to be fixed in time for 8.2.0; the
workaround is to either wake the machine before closing the lid, or to
open and cl
"pardon me".
I don't think we have anyone working on better WPA support, but I might
be wrong -- if this is important to you, make sure to let Greg know you
think someone should be tackling it as a release blocker.
(Current 8.2 blockers: <http://dev.laptop.org/report/32>.)
activity that fails to load when installed via the software updater
on 757. (Although Measure has a bug where it isn't rendering..)
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> I am working with the construction of a Qemu ext3 image. On Qemu
> boot I get the following error:
> Checking filesystems fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'LABEL=OLPCRoot'
`tune2fs -L OLPCRoot` on the device should set the label correctly, if
you can do that.
es with csound.
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> gone - but it can help testers until the gstreamer downgrade is
> done.
It's fixed in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e14.
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> testers to be turning on?
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7972 is in a similar state and describes a
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This is exactly http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7973.
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Not if Deepak doesn't merge it, surely? Maybe I misunderstood something?
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Does this mean we'll be without wake-on-ARP for 8.2? Is there something
we can do to avoid that?
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mode, so we don't need to change the filter/wol behavior when switching
between suspend and sleep; we can leave it in "suspend" configuration.)
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> could keep a 'console' window (2 or 3?) open running the
> 'non-idle-keyboard' application and keep the laptop awake when you
> want it ? :)
Why not just `touch /etc/oh
and who want to test against a
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're just going to be woken up by the next incoming
packet. As a result, I'm not so interested in adding this given
that you can inhibit suspend manually.
* Not to suspend when a USB device capable of generating external
interrupts (USB keyboard, USB ethernet) is plugged
Hi,
> I've unretired the faster branch temporarily to collect some
> measurements on the costs of adding xfce to our builds.
Could we see what the cost is to go to a full GNOME/nautilus, too?
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nk you can get it upstream, too?
In cases like these, I wonder whether just patching Pilgrim to remove
the cracklib file after installation is a good idea -- it lets us avoid
the package fork. Getting the patch accepted upstream would be best of
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extremely large activities to delete, but it's not sufficient by
itself -- it will only help for one reboot or so.
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ren't* few of them or we can't fix them, we should
instead use a non-Sugar GUI for performing the deletion.
* To repeat, the above "full fix" would live in the 8.2 branch,
and not be backported to 656 as part of this solution.
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und-level, not the correct
"Sugar always launches and never runs out of space or deletes user data"
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t messages,
so these users won't see anything different at all. If they did
see text messages during boot, they would see:
Not enough disk space.
Deleting /home/olpc/.sugar/default/datastore/store/XXX-XXX
(repeated if necessary)
.. scroll past on the Linux console.
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the
space, before deciding the algorithm.
> Deleting large rarely used system files will not solve this
> problem. The space will just get used up again until there are no
> more large rarely used files left. It can buy us a week or two but
> wont solve the problem longer ter
full, I don't know how I
can search the datastore in that way. We don't have the full query
interface available from the initrd.
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objects
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THRESHOLD = 1024 * 50 # 50MB
PATH = "/home/olpc/.sugar/default/datastore/store/*-*"
> (The correct name on Ubuntu is libglib2.0-0)
It's talking about pkgconfig packages, not Ubuntu ones.
> Then make says:
make won't work until configure has run successfully.
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once it has syntax highlighting. Another useful feature would be for
Write to have unique background colors for collaborators, as Gobby does.
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at different points in launch depending on which activity launch
scheme you're using. I think a stopwatch is the best idea for now.
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ess to zip the file with gzip :P.
Deepak suggests (in #2886) using something like an O_NOCOMPRESSION flag
to open(2), which sounds fine to me. We'd either pass it to Python's
open() (how?) or set it immediately after open with fcntl(, F_SETFL, ).
- Chris.
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ing the logistical cost of LZO support in OFW or partitions.
Saving a movie would be faster still than LZO if we could just tell
jffs2 that we're giving it compressed data that it shouldn't recompress.
- Chris.
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