Re: Datastore backup - request for help

2008-05-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it works only on the XO. Fair enough. Is there a portable (and lightweight) way of asking this question from bash? cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask

Re: Datastore backup - request for help

2008-05-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, Marco rightly pointed out hal-get-property. Much easier that way: hal-get-property --udi $battery --key battery.charge_level.percentage hal-get-property --udi $ac_adapter --key ac_adapter.present Great! Each

Re: Datastore backup - request for help

2008-05-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, is there a reasonable way to check for whether we are in a school mesh? No idea. No worries, I cannibalised a bit of bash script from olpc

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore backup - request for help)

2008-05-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the patch attached maintains a copy of the metadata of each object outside the xapian index. How it works: Fantastic. Except that... erm... arhm... you forgot the patch ;-) - at every create and update, a json file is

Re: Datastore backup - request for help

2008-05-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:45 PM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michail is choosing a method, which will be used by NM and should be used by other laptop tasks as well. It will almost certainly not be SSID based. Cool. I'll keep my ears open - Michail, I assume you'll ping me when

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lots of things that we do don't meet any normal expectations of a 'company'. Most people at OLPC will tell you we are not a 'company'. ... I have been trying to understand it, explain it, live with it , and improve it for a

Counting hops / likely costs to a node

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
I am looking at the feasibility of measuring (roughly, and cheaply) the cost to reach the XS. Quite an interesting exercise :-) Background: I'm fleshing out the rules of when do we attempt to backup. Even if we see the XS, we want to know the number of hops to it, so we can delay the backups if

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore backup - request for help)

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This process is easier to perform inside the DS process and will happen only on first boot after update. But the backup process itself (rsync) should have a really high nice value, agreed. That goes without saying: my

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I pointed out that one can enter text without using a keyboard. Those of us who grew up using qwerty-style keyboards just happen to be fastest at entering text with such a device. Indeed. Dasher is a must-try -- with a

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:45 AM, Christoph Derndorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you're basically looking for someone who doesn't mind being despised by both OLPC staff (God, s/he keeps bugging me, how annoying!) and the community (s/he knows more than s/he's telling us). Nah. We all want to

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:17 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then whenever your hand comes close to the laptop, ugly black bars are going to cover all the edges of that nice sky-blue screen. I hear ugly black is the new black these days :-) It's always harder than you want it to

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore backup - request for help)

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Martin Langhoff Fantastic. Except that... erm... arhm... you forgot the patch ;-) Ouch. Thanks for the patch. Quick heads up - I've applied it on a 703 laptop and it's completely borked

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:59 PM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The loss of a keyboard is mourned. But so much of the activities the young kids that OLPC is targetting do are more manual and direct. Will be cool if we can take dasher and run with the concept. For some languages and

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore backup - request for help)

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll diagnose a bit more and post back. I'm baffled. I initially suspected PEBKAC but it keeps happening. With the patch the DS gets renamed, and journal never starts. If the datastore code gets to complain somewhere I

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then the announcement should be: Don't take it so seriously. It's a vision set of mockups, and the different technical aspects of how to get there will be fleshed out in time and discussed in [EMAIL PROTECTED] And when I say

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore backup - request for help)

2008-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ouch, sorry, I should have been more explicit in that this patch introduces a dependency on cjson. I'm going to send next another patch that falls back to simplejson (slower) if cjson is not available. Ah, it was pebkac

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You ended up with Lots of accusations :-( Have you successfully negotiated with hw vendors over innovative gear at very low cost in the past? We do make mistakes, and in some cases there are tradeoffs. It's part of doing

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Typo - I should have written: Grandstanding about the mistakes made is cheap, with the advantage that most people aren't familiar with the issues at hand. Albert also wrote Minus the dollar figures of course, getting contracts out in public would be very good for you. Groklaw would be a

Re: [IAEP] Security and long life issues (Was Re: XO-2)

2008-05-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 8:49 AM, ffm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we creating the new slaves of the XO? or this is a gadget that they can forget in some years? Nope. That's what developer keys http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_key are for. Indded, that's what

Re: OLPC: Open Organized Transparent

2008-05-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:38 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your opinions matter much more if they are backed up with working code, or with a community of volunteers to attack some task, or a well-written report. We get a lot of opinions. Many of them are, frankly,

Re: [Server-devel] Weird Device Recognition in 163

2008-06-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the lack of promptness, but they didn't invite me back to work on the server till this afternoon. You're right. In the BIOS, there was a ZIP drive (huh?) as Primary Master. The hard drive is the SATA master. I

Re: [Server-devel] [Colombia] Problema servidor OLPC XS

2008-06-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/5/30 Carlos Dario Isaza Zamudio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Luego de mucho molestar y sufrir con esto... Lo instale en una maquina virtual en mi casa, y concluimos que es un problema con el proxy de la universidad. Ya tengo Moodle corriendo en el server en mi portatil y mañana lo probare en la

Wikipedia activity - unstoppable... bug?

2008-06-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Chris, here in Lima, I'm debugging a problem that the local team has shown me with the wilkipedia activity not starting for a second time. The problem is that the server never really closes, so the 2nd invocation finds the socket taken, and can't use it. Apparently this is a common issue with

Re: Wikipedia activity - unstoppable... bug?

2008-06-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the testing! We saw a report of this from Peru yesterday and fixed it¹, then released Wikipedia-10.xo² with the fix. I think Scott plans on putting Wikipedia-10.xo and other fixes into a 703-6 shortly. Cool. I

Re: Peru Upgrade process.

2008-06-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:18 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also a little cranky because when we fought over this last time it was argued in elevated voices that we simply *couldn't* have any system which required manually plugging a USB key into every machine, because the

Re: Peru Upgrade process.

2008-06-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:41 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As much as I dislike having multiple ways to do the same thing, Embrace the inner Perl programmer in you :-) on reflection it looks like touching up the autoreinstallation script is probably going to be the Right

Re: Flash is too full

2008-06-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/6/9 David Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have an XO-1 that has stopped booting correctly after I tried to install some large activities from a flash drive. Ugh, that sounds bad. for minutes due to respawning too fast and I have a window when I can log onto the back end / shell as

Gadget on the XS - upwards/downwards compat?

2008-06-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Daf Collabra team, Michael Stone gave me a brief run down of Gadget and plans to review it for inclusion on future XO and XS builds. What he described sounded pretty good, so I am keen on this. Have you guys considered backwards / forwards compat? We have many locations where XS and XO will

Re: [Fwd: memory usage script]

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/6/17 Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Attached is a note from Tridge, pointing to a script that does a much better job accounting to real usage. After talkling with tridge I did a bit of sleuthing and found this one: http://bmaurer.blogspot.com/2006/03/memory-usage-with-smaps.html Somehow

/tmp, /var/tmp and tmpfs (was: Re: [PATCH] ds_backup - major rework)

2008-06-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
Michael Stone's review of my recent patches to ds-backup raised some issues about creating temp files (that wear NAND out) and about successful backups on a full or otherwise RO NAND. See below... On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we concerned about

Re: [Server-devel] [PATCH] Introducing ds_backup.sh - a lightweight wrapper.

2008-06-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not use /var/lock like everybody else? We can add appropriate users to the lock group if needed. (Or however Fedora does these things.) Are we better off making ~/.sugar/default contain our complete parallel FHS? I

Re: /tmp, /var/tmp and tmpfs (was: Re: [PATCH] ds_backup - major rework)

2008-06-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. This part of the code is removed, but I haven't made it a point to ensure that the code can backup a RO homedir. Actually, we aren't well setup for a RO root fs at all (should an error kick us into ro), /tmp

Fwd: Gadget on the XS - upwards/downwards compat?

2008-06-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
This is a resend - Daf already clarified some things on irc (thanks!), but we should flesh this out more... -- Forwarded message -- From: Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:48 PM Subject: Gadget on the XS - upwards/downwards compat? To: [EMAIL

Re: [Techteam] Making updating easier and Planning for Support

2008-06-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Kim - On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secondly, I am proposing that our Support team can only support one major release along with the current one. With school systems being run on yearly basis, this would suggest that we plan for 2 major releases per

Re: [Techteam] [sugar] Making updating easier and Planning for Support

2008-06-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 11:29 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two releases per year make sense. Particularly when add in the fact that we have two hemispheres with opposing springs and falls. Only if you assume we can get countries in lockstep with us. Any number of things can

Re: [Techteam] [sugar] Making updating easier and Planning for Support

2008-06-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:18 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Kim stated earlier, in the end this becomes a cost of effort issue. From a developer point of view the more releases the better. From a support perspective maintaining several long releases can quickly suck the energy

Re: [Techteam] Adding a Next release milestone in trac

2008-06-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What other kinds of tags including release numbers do you have in mind? Build numbers, perhaps. But I am more concerned about the fact that our trac install tracks several projects/subprojects. So I'd propose xo-8.2.1 or

Re: Strange 755 mode on .sugar/default/owner.key

2008-06-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Actually - can anyone confirm that their owner.key (~/.sugar/default/owner.key) is mode 600 or 400? As per my earlier email (below), I keep finding boxes with the wrong filemode... cheers, m On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just spent a bit of time

Yummy incron

2008-06-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
Looking for a (memory, cpu, power) efficient way to trigger events/scripts on the XS, I came across incrond. It weights ~600KB according to ps_mem.py, and it looks like the kind of tool we want to be using. There are a few processes I have on the XS that signal completion by touching a file in a

Re: [Server-devel] Yummy incron

2008-06-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What it sounds even more like, to me, is any modern init system. For example: I'm very keen on new init systems, but this is not one. Given your opposition to DBUS in this context, you might enjoy :-) I'm not

Re: Want to package PostgreSQL for OLPC

2008-06-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/6/25 Devrim GÜNDÜZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to assist packaging PostgreSQL for OLPC. I'm the upstream packager for PostgreSQL, and I also maintain 30+ packages for Fedora+EPEL. What should I do next? Hi Devrim! Thanks for getting in touch - I am the guy looking after the School

Re: Want to package PostgreSQL for OLPC

2008-06-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Devrim GÜNDÜZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: python-psycopg2 is there, but not php-pgsql. The question is: Is php-pgsql already in OLPC package set? If yes, we have compat packages to satisfy dependencies. If not, I can give it a shot. It's not mentioned in our

Re: [Server-devel] Yummy incron

2008-06-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Bill Bogstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure but any process that is waiting for a file to appear in the filesystem seem more like a batch process to me. There is no way to know how long it will take (and thus your timeouts). Bill, everything you say makes

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We chose a monolithic update solution because of several deficiencies, *for our primary use case*, of all package-based upgrade solutions with which we were familiar at the time. Package-based update solutions with which

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's say we dist-upgrade our system. It's in an unbootable state. In our current situation we attempt to avoid: * can leave the system in an inconsistent or even unbootable state on failure. ... by holding around

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:38 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All reasonable, and the snapshot based approach has certain key advantages for some uses. There is one thing that really bothers me, however, and makes me suspect that we cannot actually use the snapshot approach long

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 6:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how many different deployment builds do you think are being supported at this time? I think it's still in the single digits. I expect this to change quite drastically soon. ... customizers are able to take full advantage of the

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what I would really like to see is for OLPC to not just release the (note: I think what you are asking for is available) ... I would then like to see someone maintain another base-level distro that Guys, it'd be great to run all the

Samba's Talloc and mem pressure on the XS - tinkerers?

2008-06-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
Opening post cross-posted to devel@ but please reply only to server-devel@ :-) Couple weeks ago we had Tridge @ 1CC and while jg and I cried about memory pressure on XO and XS, he suggested we try talloc, and monitor actual memory usage with the newfangled smaps. This is something I'm very keen

Re: [Server-devel] Issue with 2 B4s and a C2

2008-07-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:41 AM, David Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFTER clicking register, and rebooting, it won't find the school mesh and eventually settles on teh simple mesh. Then olpc-netstatus reports: - Have you connected successfully with this machine? (we've seen a small % of

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/7/2 Dennis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]: by setting the replyto the list i wont get ccd on email when people reply to all because that is the easy way to make sure it goes back to the list in the current setup. instead I will get responses via mailmain and not direct and the mail will have

sugar-datastore-0.8.2 ds-backup on F7

2008-07-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
Just realised that the python-cjson dependency of sugar-datastore-0.8.2 (which is req'd by ds-backup) makes it hard to support on F7 (we'd need a backport of python-cjson). Not sure if the F9 port landed in joyride... Hmmm. A few checks... people told me that stuff had to be in monday's Joyride.

Re: Release 8.2.0 -- pls add critical features (Greg Smith)

2008-07-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg wrote: Thanks for keeping us apprised of your needs! My pleasure. From what I can see v8.2.0 is at a late stage - we are discussing what it takes to ship the features we have in Joyride end-of-business Monday. Having

Re: Seamless Lessons Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/7/7 Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...yields: http://dev.laptop.org/~mdengler/launch-by-click-ie.jpg ...so perhaps I need a different understanding of launch-by-click for executables. Please accept my apologies for wasting your/others time if I've misunderstood. I think that the

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:37 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since a conversation on IRC got unexpectedly heated, let me restate my personal philosophy for OLPC's relationships with upstream: I am surprised this got heated, you are right, and this isn't even controversial. This

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:17 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're all agreed that even small forks have large long-term costs, and we'd prefer to avoid them where at all possible -- which we all agree seems to be the case at present. Here I disagree - small and medium

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:56 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather see us just give up on Browse and ship and appropriately configured Firefox. I just can't see OLPC devoting enough developer Not so fast! The XS deliverables need a custom browser on the XO for reasons we were

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does automatic authentication require a custom browser? Client certificates work well for this function in ordinary web applications (assuming a properly configured server). I haven't delved into this deeply yet, but I

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
Carol, give me some credit :-) I know that FF works well with client certs and apache has no problem with it. I've been coding apache/ssl aware apps since '98... What sort of patch are you looking for? Well, there is quite a bit of thinking that needs to happen here, and I am working on

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 5:37 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) SSL overhead being impractical? Come on. You can use SSL on the browser today; there is no perceptible speed difference. I agree that client certs may be impractical, but it won't be because the XO can't handle the

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can also anticipate Javascript performance may become an issue as its use continues to increase. Confirming this - to work with XS-based tools nicely, JS and related tools (gears) support is a must. cheers, m -- [EMAIL

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can certainly produce a proof of concept for the first, using client certs via Scott's Firefox 3. I don't think it is as hard as you think, and I promise to provide something concrete by the end of the weekend. Thanks!

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please point me to your notes on this, if you would be so kind. There aren't any, unfortunately. I had to read idmgr to understand the protocol - so read the source. It is a trivial xml-rpc. Ah, apologies, wrong answer

Re: [sugar] ssl authentication [was (another) WebKit port of Browse]

2008-07-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an assertion, not an argument. It is also factually incorrect. And needless to argue over it if we can get instead some working code. :-) m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect -

Re: Journal Entry Bundle - autoactivation?

2008-07-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 15:47 -0300, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Joyride 2129 I am having trouble getting JEBs to do anything magic when downloaded on the XO. I click on the link and... nothing happens :-) Possibly #7247

Re: ssl authentication [was (another) WebKit port of Browse]

2008-07-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 12, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: Which IDMR - the sun one with all the usual/heavily standardized industry protocols - or something OLPC specific ? It's not a protocol, just a small Python script

Journal metadata - buddies as a string?

2008-07-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
Looking at the .metadata files that the Journal now maintains, I find that the buddies field is a string that stores a multidimensional array... is this a bug? Or perhaps Xapian cannot sture md arrays? Either way, looks like either a big or an artifact from the '90s to me :-) All I care to know

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an extensive discussion on this topic a while back on IRC, Version numbers are used to communicate API/ABI compat and degree/type of changes to users. Later in this thread Eben suggests what everyone else in the

Re: Journal data loss warning

2008-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a quick warning to developers hopping between old and new builds. Today while trying to debug an issue with DNS resolution behind an Access Point I reverted (from joyride-2149) to the official release Update-1 703

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be happy to whip up a universal approximate ordering for version strings in a few lines of Python. My emphasis here is on _approximate_; nothing should depend on precisely correct interpretation of version

Re: Journal metadata - buddies as a string?

2008-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:53 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please see: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/4755#comment:5 Eben, I agree with your analysis. This is ugly-ish. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, this is totally expected, you are seeing

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Version (activity_version) is just some sortable entity to be agreed Please do read back on this - now lenghty - discussion. Unfortunately, any monotonically increasing version does _not_ work, thanks to the magic of

Re: B4 motherboard question

2008-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Guylhem Aznar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't necessarily want another machine - just a motherboard from say a machine that has been returned with a broken screen, or whatever, would be fine A fully working XO would be best used for someone who hasn't one

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, sorry, I've clearly accidentally wandered in to a room full of hardcore :-) Sorry about the dry tone of my reply. I was trying, perhaps too hard, to avoid this thread regressing into silly-land. The current scheme is

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What _should_ be happening in this thread is the collection of use cases. For a small selection of the issues involved, please refer to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Commentaries/Bundles_1

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For these reasons, in my humble opinion, choosing our software packaging format and guidelines (of which version numbering is but a single aspect) is NOT A TRIVIAL EXERCISE and is not as simple as picking an off-the-shelf

Packaging scripts depend on a modern mock?

2008-07-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Michael, list, the ds-backup packaging is based on your scripts ( http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/mstone/rpm-packaging ) and I am not 100% sure how it is meant to work but attempting to build a snapshot or a release makes it snap back at me with mock.py: error: no such option: --define

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: appropriating apricots Alliterating Apricots m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first -

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With olpc-update, it's not critical to update from version x to version x+1 - we can skip versions as we don't depend on a particular package state. (e.g. You can upgrade from 650 to joyride without having to upgrade to

Re: Uruguay CEIBAL booklet

2008-07-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Brian Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/gobiernoelectronico/pdf_libro/Libro_CEIBAL_en_la_sociedad_del_siglo_XXI.pdf This is great! More, please! It is great - the writing is well thought out, though I haven't read it all in depth, it seems

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Ankur, note I've edited the CC list a bit :-) 2008/7/18 Ankur Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am able to receive SMS text messages through a mobile phone intended to be attached to school server. I need to forward this message to a specific XO connected on the jabber server. At this moment, I

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I regard fully pythonic python data as a subgraph of a reference-counted object graph. So far as I know, Python has lots of interesting ways to parse bytestreams into object graphs, but no great way to read an object

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I'm convinced that protocol buffers and their supporting code generators are cute, I'm also convinced that the real issue in the IPC space is not what marshalling format do you use? but is, instead, what tools are

Re: Definition of Stable Enough To Release for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8 - Use the same NAND space. *Tough*. The F6-to-F9 upgrade means we're over OS footprint budget. Dennis Gilmore knows more about this. 9 - Always boots up, especially when there is no space on NAND Always is a tricky one :-)

Re: Definition of Stable Enough To Release for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8 - Use the same NAND space. *Tough*. The F6-to-F9 upgrade means we're over OS footprint budget. Dennis Gilmore knows more about this. Not so: 703: 309M .jffs2 2202: 298M .jffs2 Credit due to Daniel

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list of missing features needed to make Sugar a first-rate system is really surprisingly short. Fantastic news! As Kim points out, we knew most (all?) those things already, and we are just extremely short on

Re: [Techteam] NAND full issue

2008-07-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: unionfs will involve a kernel change. Erik's got a ko to add to the initrd AIUI. Have we considered sorting by date and removing from oldest to new until the threshold is reached? Perhaps excluding starred items. Both

Re: [Sur] Imagen de Inicio. Boot

2008-07-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Henry is asking about localised images for the XO, and specifically asking about a branded boot image (splash image). 2008/7/28 Henry Vélez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Les pregunto. ¿como puedo poner una imagen personalizada en el inicio de la laptop? Que cambios quieres hacer? Solo el splash? Parte

Packaging the activation server for the XS

2008-07-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, I am exploring what it will take to package the action lease server for the XS, and what usage scenarios we can support. So I had an initial look around act-server, which covers a much wider functionality than I had in mind. If we assume for a moment that the lease management is done

Upgrade server on the XS -

2008-07-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, I'm looking at the 'upgrade-server' project, considering packaging it for the XS. After a read of the sources, I see that it does extend the rsync protocol a bit, but the commands seem to not be needed for updates: server is an rsync cmd, but clean and install are not, but I don't

Re: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry Williams wrote: | Seems like this problem for linux was solved with RPM. | With rpm if something is missing for something you want to install, it | complains and won't let you install it. That's not really

Re: CIS solar charging-correct list?

2008-07-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Stan. SWAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings- in spite of numerous [EMAIL PROTECTED] categories I can't find any concerned with solar charging! Can someone please direct me, as = devel@lists.laptop.org seems essentially software. Post it right here. Hardware

Re: Newer ds-backup-client RPMs for joyride...

2008-07-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When releasing ds-backup revisions, please update documentation like http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ds-backup Looks like we've both updated the page :-) m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting

Update-server - showing too many files?

2008-07-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, I'm looking some more at the update-server sw, and also looking at how rsync://updates.laptop.org behaves, and what olpc-update uses. Right now, the server publishes a top-level 'root' directory, which is what the client seems to be looking for, and also a number of other things that

Re: Any cure for a washed out keyboard

2008-07-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first XO casualty at Nepal's pilot schools a few days ago. A second grader washed his XO because it had gotten too dirty. Thankfully, the display, cpu and motherboard seem to be working fine. The keyboard is

Re: Your journal is empty

2008-07-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently, I have on two occasions with Joyride (2229+, 2232) pressed ctl-alt-erase in order to restart Sugar. Both times. when Sugar came up, the Journal screen told me 'Your journal is empty'. If unwanted emptying of

Odd python proc control / buffering behaviour

2008-08-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
something very basic is not working well with Python - reading 1MB from a process and writing it to a file gets truncated at random points. Not being a native Python speaker, review and comments welcome. Hopefully I'm not losing my mind just yet. Summary: - The script untars an XO image under

Re: Odd python proc control / buffering behaviour

2008-08-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something very basic is not working well with Python - reading 1MB from a process and writing it to a file gets truncated at random points. Not being a native Python speaker, review and comments welcome. Hopefully I'm

Re: Collaboration Requirements

2008-08-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
n Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First Michael: This feels very similar to an RFC. GS - Its not meant to be an RFC I think Michael was just suggesting a time-saving device: you defined should, must, etc, and there's a common standard for that kind of

Re: Odd python proc control / buffering behaviour - fakeroot bug

2008-08-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something very basic is not working well with Python - After a couple of days of rumination, it all became clear. Python is off the hook, instead, I am being hit with a fakeroot bug, characterised here http

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