T-shirt ideas / feedback
Hello everyone, isforinsects here. There have been a couple suggestions for t-shirts floating around on the wiki and elsewhere. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/T-shirts I think that it's a great way to build community, and increase awareness so I mocked up a few ideas in InDesign. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Shirt_10_million.png (more to come) There are several great ideas on the wiki page, and all of them could become shirts via cafepress if anyone so cared. It would also become a slight revenue stream for OLPC community building if sold via cafepress or similar web-printing outfits. Does anyone have feedback on design and/or any ideas for implementation? I'm not going to go start a store somewhere unless the community is into the idea. Seth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: T-shirt ideas / feedback
Todd, I will be sending you an email about several things for the site in just a minute. Ian, I would love to see students thrown at the idea. Feel free to use the ideas on the wiki page, there are some darn good ones on there. Maybe if you give each student a different phrase/image? At the very least they would provide a lot more ideas as a test bed. But mostly I would say not yet Ian. Maybe in a week's time we could discuss it further? A timeline should be the first priority. Those of you who want to help out, speak up and we'll all get together and schedule what's gonna happen maybe? On 10/25/07, Ian Daniher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Todd, If you need someone to do some work on Photoshop, Illustrator, or such, and you're able to provide specifics tasks, and an example or two, I can get a high school layout and design class to spend a couple of weeks on OLPC related work. Keep me posted, -- Ian Daniher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype : it.daniher irc.freenode.com: DyDisMe On 10/24/07, Todd Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seth, Thanks for the kick in the butt. This url should respond shortly: http://www.laptopspace.org disclaimers: current images are just placeholders, not public yet, not meant to be comprehensive, just a start more designs can be added suggesting a community design section and a google group to help people who'd like to suggest designs to load up and vote and promote to page. for anyone who is tickled by the idea it would be nice to actually come up with a t-shirt idea that was built with a laptop. perhaps something for the kids and for the b1g1 people. helpful links: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/images.aspx#res this links has some information on preparing images for cafepress, etc. In my opinion we'll need to move on from cafepress but it works for now. If anyone knows photoshop/illustrator or gimp/inkscape and could help out, let me know . . . -Todd On 10/24/07, Todd Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Seth, There is a solution already in progress and I would be glad to work with you on brainstorming if you'd like to email me separately. There is an external entity that is handling the xogiving.org campaign and they may have plans for implementation but in the meantime we can still implement. I have the olpc logo in vector art format and a couple of students have been helping put things together. The cafepress store will be up at a url shortly, and until/unless an official olpc staff member or the third party entity says to do otherwise, we can put ideas together. It would be wonderful to have help on it. Cafépress is cool but they also take significant overhead, so it seems like it is best to plan for the future. Cafepress can certainly be an easy way to get feedback and see which sizes will sell etc. moving towards a manufacturing run will help bring back more revenue into olpc for the kids. I was a rock n roll dude in another life so I favor working on a world tour t-shirt too, plus a laminate design. (like faux backstage pass). Suggest surveymonkey to get peoples' opinions on t-shirt designs. Could be a contest. Could eventually let kids make their own. Anyway please feel free to email me and thanks for caring about the kids. -Todd -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Seth Woodworth *Sent:* Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:24 PM *To:* devel@lists.laptop.org *Subject:* T-shirt ideas / feedback Hello everyone, isforinsects here. There have been a couple suggestions for t-shirts floating around on the wiki and elsewhere. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/T-shirts I think that it's a great way to build community, and increase awareness so I mocked up a few ideas in InDesign. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Shirt_10_million.png (more to come) There are several great ideas on the wiki page, and all of them could become shirts via cafepress if anyone so cared. It would also become a slight revenue stream for OLPC community building if sold via cafepress or similar web-printing outfits. Does anyone have feedback on design and/or any ideas for implementation? I'm not going to go start a store somewhere unless the community is into the idea. Seth -- Todd Kelsey 630.808.6444 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Music on the XO
Slightly off of the conversational thread here but: Information on the specific output spectrum capabilities might improve transcoding of audio files into smaller file sizes. If there is no, or poor quality, auditory response below or above a given threshold, it might be worth snipping off various frequencies, or otherwise optimizing how materials are encoded to take advantage of this. Is Jamendo, or anyone else, studying this? And Re: above conversation. Yes, I would love to see ethnologists get involved. The at the moment I don't believe is a lack of effort on anyone's part, but a lack of available material. Go to most university's music libraries and you will still find plenty of content in vinyl format as opposed to cd-audio or digital formats. Getting recordings made or existing recordings released into the public domain is an important project, and one of the main topics of a What should Wikipedia do with $100 Million dollars thread about a year back. I believe that just about everyone is on the same page here as far as what they would *like* to see on the OLPC. In the meantime I think that the current selections are far better than nothing.. Seth On 10/28/07, Jean Piché [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I may summarize, what you are saying is that: a) Given that this is about education, OLPC should be taking the cultural high road in terms of bundled music. yes. b) The perception that acceptable licensing terms will be difficult to impossible to obtain should not get in the way of a) yes. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: translating policy, any ?
The XO should come with a manual that defines those terms, written by someone who is a language expert rather than a computing expert. Are there any plans in this direction? - Bert - I'm doing the layout for the simple user guide right now. So I can help structure these once they are written. I will probably mock a layout of the laptop with blanks pointing to the names of parts of the laptop. The previous version of this kind of diagram: Drawing75c1.jpghttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Drawing75c1.jpg, works, but is written more for adults. Seth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Fwd: Help wanted: video demo!
(Doh! Sent from the wrong email) -- Forwarded message -- From: Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 11, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Help wanted: video demo! To: C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED], devel Development devel@lists.laptop.org I believe that SJ got the rights for us to use Anima Mundi, Koyaanisqatsi and the rest of the -qatsi movies on the XO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_Mundi_%28film%29 Very visually stunning. And shot in the Real World as opposed to digitally animated, it would provide a very powerful demonstration, either alongside Elephant Dream or instead of. I have Koyaanisqatsi / Powaqqatsi ordered from amazon, and I was planning on getting Anima Mundi via NetFlix to encode them all in Ogg-Theora. Wast there a specific purpose for this video? If so what kind of time frame is this video needed in? If just for general demonstration, I'll still try to get this done by christmas. I'll have an xo this week so I can see how high of a framerate / quality the XO can handle without slowdown. Seth On Dec 11, 2007 4:00 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 11, 2007 6:52 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Sesame Street video that runs in the Helix player (RV encoded) is quite a good demo of full screen video on the laptop. Is there a URL that that can be downloaded from? Does Erik's transcoding mechanism work to get it out of RV format? Can we still play it smoothly when it has been transcoded to an unencumbered format? --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Musings on failing to update to joyride, and a few format questions
As I was watching my new B4 fail to update to the latest JR, I noticed a couple issues I'd like to take up. One: I noticed a few .wav files somewhere in the Comic builder activity? Are we planning on using .wav for anything? Or should this eventually be upgraded. Who *should* I bother about this? Two: there were some images somewhere in */share/activities/wdl/* that were named badly. They lined up like this: 10image 1image 2image ... So they don't sort properly. Can/should we change this, and should this rule be in the Sugar programing guidelines? Seth Woodworth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Musings on failing to update to joyride, and a few format questions
I meant to say that we should instead name these: 01image 02image ... 10image Or for however many significant digits are required. On Jan 24, 2008 11:42 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I was watching my new B4 fail to update to the latest JR, I noticed a couple issues I'd like to take up. One: I noticed a few .wav files somewhere in the Comic builder activity? Are we planning on using .wav for anything? Or should this eventually be upgraded. Who *should* I bother about this? Two: there were some images somewhere in */share/activities/wdl/* that were named badly. They lined up like this: 10image 1image 2image ... So they don't sort properly. Can/should we change this, and should this rule be in the Sugar programing guidelines? Seth Woodworth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC library] OLPC-health
I haven't used InDesign, but in my many years using FrameMaker I considered it fairly beta the whole time. Basic design errors, memory leaks, missing functions, display bugs,... Yes, Adobe's previous product PageMaker/FrameMaker was very beta as well. I have a pretty soft spot in my heart for it's fellow users :) We may need to send a few volunteers to clean up Scribus, then. Has anybody on the devel list looked at what needs to be done for Scribus? They could start exploring here. http://bugs.scribus.net/roadmap_page.php Maybe we should start a Wiki page for Free Software projects that are needed for laptop work, even if they won't go on the laptops. That's not a bad idea. We have only X number of programmers coming into the project, if we can't get them to work on one of our projects *directly* perhaps they could work on related projects? I'm trying to make the wiki a little more usable for people looking for jobs, and I'll keep this in mind. We need a project page for each activity, each document set, and much of the basic hardware and software development, and we need to prod people to sign up there. Then we have to create pages to index it all, or at least make sure that category markers are applied consistently. This is what I've done for the [[Health]] projects, and I'm working on expanding into other projects as well. (we ought to talk about VistA soon btw) I am concerned with how we are using signup lists on the wiki however. No one ever seems to *do* anything with them. I haven't really seen anyone go back into a /People list and contact the new recruits. It makes much more sense for them to hit the mailing lists or contact someone directly. I think that every page/project needs to have a volunteer coordinator. Just someone who can farm work out to more people, and has a basic to middling understanding of the components of the project and can connect people to those who know more. That in fact should be it's own thread come to think of it. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.
Between Walter Bender, who practically lives at 1cc and has been part of the entire development, and NN, who by all accounts is rarely in his office at 1cc, I say that the SD was just an offshoot of the ASIC chip. Besides that's what what I've heard everyone else at OLPC say. NN also said that Windows was running on the XO months ago, which MS denied. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Jonathan Corbet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, regarding Microsoft, I agree that if it is to be an open platform, it should be open to everyone, including Microsoft. That said, it is somewhat revisionist to suggest that the SD card was added on behalf of Microsoft Such statements certainly are based on reporting like this: Speaking with Wired News editor Kevin Poulsen over e-mail, Negroponte said that an SD card slot was added to the OLPC machine so it could meet Windows' minimum performance requirements. The XO always ran Windows... that is why we added the SD slot, he said. http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/04/negroponte_olpc_1.html Or this: Microsoft has always been working on Windows for the XO. We put the SD (secure digital) slot into our laptop over one year ago, for them, Negroponte said, explaining that the SD slot allows the XO's memory to be expanded, making it easier for users to run Windows. http://www.news.com/Negroponte-Windows-key-to-OLPC-philosophy/2100-1016_3-6215837.html Or this: Although the machine is preinstaled with Linux ut this doesn't mean that you can't run Windows on the machine, Negroponte said. We put in an SD slot just for Bill, he quipped. http://www.siliconvalleysleuth.com/2006/12/kicking_off_the.html (typos in original) Now the statement that the SD slot was added for Microsoft may be incorrect, but, given all the words that went around last year, it's probably not revisionist either. jon ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Microsoft
Let's look at this with a slightly different lens before we blow up on NN and Microsoft. What does this agreement equate to? And what are the alternatives to Microsoft? If the XO was running a completely closed source stack with no documentation on hardware, how would the Linux community feel? They would feel that they were being shut out and not allowed to run whatever software they wanted to or develop. This is something the linux community has speared hardware companies over for years. So as a fair practice I think it's clear that no special actions can ethically be made to prevent Windows or any other OS from running on the machine. So a Windows port for the XO isn't something that could have been preventative. Furthermore OLPC's sale of the XO hardware doesn't come with any restrictions for use. To not allow countries to install windows once they take ownership would be a completely unethical move given OLPC's commitments to freedom. From scuttlebut about this deal and the way that I understand it, it's the equivalent of OLPC/Quanta selling the machines to Microsoft and they doing whatever they want with them. I'm not as clear on this point, but is there an ethical problem with selling the machine to Microsoft? Could OLPC ethically Not sell the machine to whoever wanted to buy them in large volumes? We must remember that hardware companies have invested a good deal of money on the expectation that they can at best break even on the XO production. They haven't reached nearly the levels of machines sold to satisfy these manufacturors. Do I want to see Windows on the XO? No, never, and god I hope not. Will Microsoft end up screwing us? Likely, given their history. Will this still give us the chance to put great hardware and content into the hands of children all over the world? Yes. But Linux and FOSS can't triumph over Microsoft by excluding them and by obfusication. We need to make a better product. With Walter Bender on his own and dedicated to bringing Sugar to every machine on a FOSS stack, and all OLPC produced software being safely GPL'ed, I feel confident that Sugar can beat out Windows. Let's focus on getting sugar and linux and what we *can* do instead of being angry. I plan on staying and producing content, translations and improvements for OLPC and for children. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org Seth Woodworth On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Asheesh Laroia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2008, Nicholas Negroponte wrote: One Laptop per Child is announcing an agreement with Microsoft to make a dual boot, Linux/Windows, version of the XO laptop. In addition, our intention is to engage one or more third parties to port Sugar to run on Windows in order to reach a wider installed base of laptops. In the meanwhile, OLPC remains fully committed to our goal: a completely free and open learning platform for the world's children. The mission statement of OLPC has not changed in three years (attached). My copy of this mail (as available at http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-May/005752.html ) does not have the attachment of the mission statement. -- Asheesh. -- Absolutum obsoletum. (If it works, it's out of date.) -- Stafford Beer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft
He's not declaring a policy of ethical inaction. He made an announcement called Microsoft wherein he describes an OLPC-supported firmware modification that will allow Windows to boot on the XO-1. He p it to an OLPC mailing list. He then claimed no OLPC resources would be devoted to the project. I'm left wondering how many of those resources went into this firmware mod. No OLPC resources would be involved in porting Sugar to Windows. So his statement was true, if a bit misleading. If XO sales are so unrestricted, why can't I buy one at laptop.org? Are you willing to buy 100 or more? Will this still give us the chance to put great hardware and content into the hands of children all over the world? Yes. Hardware is useless without control. Remember when this was an education project? Where'd all *that* rhetoric go? In this country, we complain about vendor lock-in -- on everything from terrible ISO standards (remember who was behind subverting THAT open process) to our mobile phones. But this isn't some abstract problem that prevents us from using Google Maps on our Blackberries. These kids don't *have* anything else, and we should not hand control of their education over to *any* for-profit company. In fact, we should *actively oppose* the idea. Be realisitic. Our software isn't customizable beyond a hypothetical. We offer no man pages, no GCC, no source on board, and no training on how to use program. Before we can make the argument of being more customizeable we need to actually document how to change things and supply such information on the XO. A Kindle can still allow you to read a book. Is closed source as useful as open source? No. Is DRM a good thing for children in the third workd? No. But is a calculator better than nothing? Yes. Keep that in mind. But Linux and FOSS can't triumph over Microsoft by excluding them and by obfusication. We need to make a better product. I don't care who triumphs over whom. I did not donate to the OLPC foundation to fund a market-assault vector for a convicted monopolist. I'm not clear how much OLPC is benefitting from this deal, other than laptops sold. You make a good point. A large fraction of the OLPC community is going to see this as a sellout to microsoft. And as completely changing the goals of the project. A lot of developers are going to leave the project, and a lot of the community is going to leave because they care as much about FOSS in education as Laptops in Education. And that's not a bad belief. Open materials and tools are greatly superior to closed ones. With Walter Bender on his own and dedicated to bringing Sugar to every machine on a FOSS stack, and all OLPC produced software being safely GPL'ed, I feel confident that Sugar can beat out Windows. Let's focus on getting sugar and linux and what we *can* do instead of being angry. I plan on staying and producing content, translations and improvements for OLPC and for children. Sugar can't beat out Windows if it's busy running on top of Windows. I wholeheartedly believe that Sugar on a FOSS stack will preform better than Sugar on a Windows stack. And I think that this development community can prove that. Now, that proof may well happen at sugarlabs and possibly even on different hardware. I think that it is fairly safe to say that Sugarlabs isn't going to be spending a lot of time porting sugar to windows. Additionally, the Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu software environments run on the XO-1, adding support for tens of thousands of free software applications. I am terrified at the thought that the rest of this press release might be anywhere near as disingenuous as this statement. It sounds like typical marketing doublethink. The people and community of OLPC that I have worked with have been very open and truthful like a FREE AND OPEN project should be. NN however neglests to really have a dialog with the community. There is a big disconnect between the CEO and the community that supports it. This isn't how Ubuntu and Mark Shuttleworth work. However, the software we have is not ready to go against competition from Microsoft, especially with untapped emerging markets on the line. You can't fight a corporation by turning the other cheek -- much less by giving them a key to your house. Let's also remember that the OLPC project was orignally planned to be open hardware as well. If that had happened, as it should, we would be in the same boat now. Sugar on a free stack has to beat windows by it's quality. This is my goal and this is my belief. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft
...and to which the free software (linux) community would respond with a reverse engineering effort, at it's own (collective) expense, and rather quickly have a solution. If turnabout is fair play, let Microsoft adopt the free software community response as well. The golden rule doesn't say: Treat others as you have been treated, It says to treat others as you would like to be treated. So as a fair practice I think it's clear that no special actions can ethically be made to prevent Windows or any other OS from running on the machine. So a Windows port for the XO isn't something that could have been preventative. Agree. But that's not what is being proposed. The agreement clearly includes a modification of the original principles (minimum cost for the devices) to provide a Microsoft handicap in this game. I would not call that fair practice. What is being proposed is that if you want it to run Microsoft apps then countries can pay an extra $10. This gives *them* a handycap in the game and makes it that much easier for us. Furthermore OLPC's sale of the XO hardware doesn't come with any restrictions for use. To not allow countries to install windows once they take ownership would be a completely unethical move given OLPC's commitments to freedom. OLPC has NEVER made any mention of preventing anyone (with a developer key) from installing whatever software they wanted to install on the XO, (which cannot be said of all computer system manufacturers cough*cough*XBOX*cough*cough) That's not what's being discussed here. Negroponte is taking proactive action to create a more favorable environment for Microsoft. Is OLPC making the same offer to Ubuntu? Debian? What about Red Hat? I agree. Let's start a dialog with Ubuntu! Mark Shuttleworth has mentioned OLPC favorably on this blog a few times, and much of the community has been interested in getting Ubuntu running on the XO. There is a need for a full desktop as well as a sugar UI for these machines. I run Debian on my XO personally and I would love to have a fast Xubuntu going on it. Not at all. The problem appears to be that Microsoft is asking/demanding that the OLPC principles be modified in deference to Microsoft. I don't agree with that statement. If the extra $10 is optional if countries insist on Microsoft anyway. If that's not the case (which of course isn't clear with the meager amount of information we're given) then you are right. I was under the impression the hardware manufacturers weren't loosing anything on the per-unit sales. I may very well be wrong. But I do know that Quanta isn't going to let OLPC open source the hardware schematics that they own until sale volumes are much higher. Will this still give us the chance to put great hardware and content into the hands of children all over the world? Yes. Nope. It's over. I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not going to argue if that's the way you feel. I hope that you get involved in Sugarlabs, which is all safely GPL'd or maybe work with me on Open / Creative Commons content. There is a lot of work that can be done that can still help and not help OLPC+Microsoft. I think you are under the impression that the 'education project' has been somehow hindered by efforts aimed at *preventing* Microsoft from contributing. I do not see that as the case. Speaking as one of those 'free software fundamentalists, I can say I long ago wrote-off Microsoft and pretty much ignore what they choose to do. (They know it, and that dismissiveness is one of the things that keeps Microsoft up at night.) I don't understand how that follows? With Walter Bender on his own and dedicated to bringing Sugar to every machine on a FOSS stack, and all OLPC produced software being safely GPL'ed, I feel confident that Sugar can beat out Windows. Of course. Sugar is not dead, just OLPC. That's why the fork occurred. Sugarlabs isn't a fork. The code bases are still the same and aren't going to change. It's more like upstream sources now. Or a forking of management, not code. Let's focus on getting sugar and linux and what we *can* do instead of being angry. I plan on staying and producing content, translations and improvements for OLPC and for children. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org Seth Woodworth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Microsoft
Wrong. It's called tit-for-tat, otherwise known as fair-is-fair. It's perfectly ethical to defend oneself against an adversary who has no qualms about anything. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. - Ghandi ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft
devil's advocate: how would someone on the outside (of either OLPC, or sugarlabs) know that that is the case? all that has happened (from the public view of things) is that this new wiki has sprung up, claiming essentially that this is where sugar lives. there's been no announcement (that i've seen), and no corresponding announcement from OLPC, so an observer is sort of left to wonder what's going on. The wiki's barely up. AFAIK Walter and the rest of the mailing list are still deciding what the group is and isn't. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: VGA external on OLPC
By not too hard, I meant, not completely impossible. I was given a little bit of info on the board because I promised Wad that I wouldn't get other people to bother him about it :S At least I didn't post the hardware list to my blog! Seth btw, I'm whyxo.com On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Paul Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: martin wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:40 AM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Remote_display#Binaries Can you be more specific as to what USB video adapters this might work with ? It's packaged in most distros (F7, recent Ubuntus), so `man sisusb` or `man sisusbvga` should give an passable overview. The author keeps a good page: http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsisusbvga.shtml how would one go about influencing which driver modules, for accessory peripherals like this, get built as a matter of course for new kernels? it seems to me that there's a (perhaps minor, but real) need for builds of drivers that don't necessarily get packaged on every XO, but which are available somewhere, for every kernel. this usb vga thing is a good example. others which keep coming up on the forums are things like bluetooth support, and the full set of usb serial dongles. i built and made available the bluetooth and usb serial modules for the use of some G1G1 folks, but that tarball will go stale pretty quickly when the kernel moves on. there are other equally optional modules (like usb audio support) which _do_ get built and installed by default. seems like there might be a win-win possible by separating what to build from what to install -- the default install could shrink, and the flexibility for users would go up. (there may be a trac item already on this -- i admit to not looking.) paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (arlington, ma, where it's 53.6 degrees) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
man command vs content bundle
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Man I understand that man is excluded to save on space on-board. But for those who need/want man pages a content bundle should be created. Also, if man were recompiled to look at the location said content bundle would be installed, the actual man command could still function if the bundle were installed. I drafted up a page for this idea on the wiki (and to notify people that man isn't installed). Please post any questions comments concerns at the Talk: page. Seth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: GSoC Status Report: Vision Processing
Nirav, I found your project only early this morning and am fascinated with your progress thus far. I will be following your developments eagerly. Also, I will be informing some of the other interest at the office about your work and see if any collaboration comes of it. Seth On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Nirav Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you may know, OLPC got GSoC students again this summer. I am one of them, and my project is Vision Processing. That is, a library to use the webcam for more than capturing images. I am implementing this by adding v4l2 and computer vision functions to pygame. My code is available at http://git.n0r.org/?p=pygame-nrp;a=summary and is currently pygame 1.8.1 with the addition of a camera module that supports v4l2 cameras that use MMAP and have pixelformats of RGB24, RGB444, YUYV, SBGGR8, or YUV420. Basic usage is as follows: import pygame from pygame import camera cam = camera.Camera(/dev/video0, (640, 480), RGB) # the third argument can be YUV or HSV too. cam.start() frame = cam.get_image() # the frame returned is a 24bit pygame Surface You can also do fun stuff like: http://eclecti.cc/bytes/living-pointillism-a-pygame-webcam-script or more practical stuff like having it track the centroid of a specific hue (green in this case): http://eclecti.cc/files/centroid.py My plans are to add functions like finding the largest connected component, optical flow, and other things useful for computer vision. Currently, performace is pretty poor on the XO; a combination of the Geode being slow and having to convert from 24bit to 16bit surfaces to display any captured frames. The XO is fast enough to capture and blit a 320x240 RGB frame at 30fps, but not at 640x480 or a frame being converted to HSV. I'm not sure how or if I'm going to be able to overcome those performance problems. I'd appreciate any comments, suggestions, or reality checks on improving performance or anything else, or any requests for vision functions to add. Also, I only have the camera in the XO, vivi, and a poorly supported USB webcam, so if anyone could test it on other webcams, that would be great. Thanks, Nirav Patel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Fwd: [FM Discuss] tracking doc requests
-- Forwarded message -- From: Anne Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:04 AM Subject: [FM Discuss] tracking doc requests To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi again all, I don't know if it's appropriate to use this list to discuss specifics of one set of books, but you all may have insights that I don't. I've looked through the Trac system at http://dev.laptop.org/ to see if it could be used to submit and track documentation requests. Yep, you probably already knew it is possible to use Trac for doc requests. Here's an example doc request for Document process of how firmware is built and released (http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6090). So, if standard naming was used, a standard report could be run to get all Document requests out of Trac. Is this standard likely to be known and used, though? I'm not sure. I think the Trac system would likely be too much signal to noise for doc requests ( i.e., lots more dev requests than doc requests), and a wiki page would be a better collection area for doc requests and for people to sign up for those doc requests. So, keep using http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DocumentationTeam for documentation requests and to keep a record of known starting documents. I'm watching the page and will make updates there as well. Let me know if that sounds amenable to all. Thanks, Anne ___ Discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
[[XO roadshows]] and other [[Events]]
I've migrated as many of the dates from the [[Events]] Page to the [[Xo roadshow]] wiki page. The new goal of the [[XO Roadshow]] page is to show off a large number of potential events that the OLPC community might like to take part in. Feel free to add more events in this format, creating sub pages linked from here when an entry becomes too large and/or the event will have some of coordinated OLPC presence. The [[Events]] page will stay as-is for about a day incase anyone wants to grab the (messy) information off of it. Afterwards I am going to use the [[Events]] page for directly-organized OLPC Events (Jams and Workshops). Questions, Comments, Concerns? -S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Project Management Tools meeting in #olpc
The ProjectDB + Other-tools meeting will be taking place in the #olpc channel of freenode in ~20 minutes. We will be discussing project management tools for pilots and deployments. Possible Participants (as of now): * Seth * SJ * Pia Waugh * Jeff Waugh * Sameer Verma --Seth On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Mel Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in the meeting but won't be able to access the internet at that time - may I request an IRC meeting and transcripts of such? I'm also copying Mia, who wrote http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers_program_review_process (it's a start, but needs fleshing-in). -Mel Seth Woodworth wrote: SJ, Pia Waugh, and I had a very interesting conversation tonight about organizing projects and proposals via a web interface such as Austria's ProjectDB (http://projectdb.olpc.at). While I think that there are several more things that the wiki can and should be doing via Semantic MediaWiki, there are several things that wiki will never be able to do. There is a growing need for some project/proposal management tools that are a little smarter about keeping private information private, which is the current use of the ProjectDB. There are several ways that ProjectDB could be expanded and used by individual OLPC groups (like olpc.org.au http://olpc.org.au). We're going to have an open meeting on the subject at: * 23:00 Friday, August 15th, UTC **9:00AM Sat .au **6:00PM Fri .us Reply to this thread if you would prefer IRC or Phone and some brief thoughts on the subject. All the best, Seth Woodworth ___ Grassroots mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: updating OLPC_{Region} pages, with a payoff
A better list for this conversation might be localization or even better,
grassroots. I seem to remember a Countries mailing list as well? Not
sure. It's well past time for a lists overhaul.
2008/8/23 Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I definitely like the idea of a G1G1 deployment page.SJ
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:48 PM, S Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Summary: people who know about deployments, please update the pages in
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Deployments
(Is there's a better e-mail list for deployments?)
I added deployment data and a timeline of deliveries to Gregs's status
in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments . It's interesting and
motivating IMO.
It queries deployment pages (using Francesca/femslade's work) for the
info. So if you know more about a deployment, please update its
OLPC_{Region} page using its [edit] or [edit with form] tab, or you can
privately e-mail me the info and I'll do it.
Should there be an OLPC_G1G1 page for the G1G1 deployment?
Cheers,
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Re: Request: Jabber server for developers
I cleaned up some of the Jabber pages on the wiki last night:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Jabber
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_Jabber_Servers
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Run_a_Jabber_Server
I also added a wiki navigation header in a template: {{jabber}}
My plan/goal was to provide ''Running a Jabber Server'' as an open task to
the Volunteer Infrastructure-Gang. I think that running a really solid
vmware (or zen) instance of ejabbered would be a really simple and useful
task for volunteers to work on.
The best first step (IMO) would be to recruit for the Infrastructure-Gang to
better support public tools created and maintained by the community.
--S
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:32 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
The default jabber server in jhbuild, olpc.collabora.co.uk, isn't
usable at the moment since it is being used to test Gadget - so it
doesn't have a shared roster.
Many of the community servers aren't working. The issue is that their
databases become overloaded once too many people register, and so they
need to periodically have their databases cleaned (see
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ejabberd_Configuration#Tips)
We need a machine that developers can use, with someone taking an
interest in its uptime. jabber.laptop.org's been hosed for a long
time.
I'm happy to set up a machine and run it, and provide instructions for
others to poke it when I'm asleep, if someone can arrange a VM for me
with hardy. I have the jabber server running on my laptop, but that's
behind NAT and a very long thin (expensive) pipe.
Regards
Morgan
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Re: Request: Jabber server for developers
The big benefit of having an Infrastructure-Gang that can administer a
jabber server (or several virtual ones) is that more than one person can fix
it if it breaks. I could also foresee an irc bot that resides on an XO
somewhere and lets the Infrastructure-Gang irc channel (#olpc-admin) know if
the server goes down.
For those of you who have accounts on RT, please add your comments on
ticket:
http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=19413
I totally believe that this is a task that our crack volunteer squad can
handle as a community. Let's make it happen.
--S
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seth Woodworth wrote:
I cleaned up some of the Jabber pages on the wiki last night:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Jabber
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_Jabber_Servers
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Run_a_Jabber_Server
I also added a wiki navigation header in a template: {{jabber}}
My plan/goal was to provide ''Running a Jabber Server'' as an open
task to the Volunteer Infrastructure-Gang. I think that running a
really solid vmware (or zen) instance of ejabbered would be a really
simple and useful task for volunteers to work on.
I second this. Having a good VM with ejabberd preconfigured (plus
instructions, of course) would be great! For example, grandma's LAMP
(http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/581) is a Ubuntu 6.06.1
based LAMP development environment. I use it all the time to stage sites
that need maintenance or tweaking. Having a canned solution reduces the
barrier to entry for running servers.
Sameer
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Associate Professor of Information Systems
San Francisco State University
San Francisco CA 94132 USA
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
The best first step (IMO) would be to recruit for the
Infrastructure-Gang to better support public tools created and
maintained by the community.
--S
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:32 AM, Morgan Collett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The default jabber server in jhbuild, olpc.collabora.co.uk
http://olpc.collabora.co.uk, isn't
usable at the moment since it is being used to test Gadget - so it
doesn't have a shared roster.
Many of the community servers aren't working. The issue is that their
databases become overloaded once too many people register, and so
they
need to periodically have their databases cleaned (see
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ejabberd_Configuration#Tips)
We need a machine that developers can use, with someone taking an
interest in its uptime. jabber.laptop.org
http://jabber.laptop.org's been hosed for a long
time.
I'm happy to set up a machine and run it, and provide instructions
for
others to poke it when I'm asleep, if someone can arrange a VM for me
with hardy. I have the jabber server running on my laptop, but that's
behind NAT and a very long thin (expensive) pipe.
Regards
Morgan
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Re: increased transient traffic in #olpc-ayuda
During g1g1 the support-gang (even before it was formalized) answered questions in #olpc-help and many important questions get answered there on a regular basis. If there were a few support-ganger's available we would have a great resource for providing documentation and structuring things for the actual kids we're supposed to be supporting. Personally I am going to use it as a great resource to help me learn written spanish. Hopefully the kids just don't teach me 'My hovercraft is full of eels'. /me adds #olpc-ayuda to his freenode script --S On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: considering implementing a helpbot there to explain ways to seek help Good idea! Do point them to a mailing list - IRC is an incredibly bad way to get support. You get no answers, or answers from whomever is there at the moment, with or without a clue. At any given time, the person with the knowledge you are after is sleeping or just not in IRC. Only very old tired FAQs have a reliable chance of getting good consistent replies over IRC. This is specially true in fast-moving projects. On a mailing list, a small group of clued in helpful people can do a lot of good spending a bit of time each day. Count with me to help on olpc-sur or similar. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Google Chrome activity?
Yep. That's what the site said when I was poking around. It sounds like it's optimized for higher resources and multiple tabs. I'm not sure that it would be best for our environment. --S 2008/9/3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Anyone here motivated to turn Chrome into an activity? don't we need to wait until they have a linux version out? my understanding is that the current release is windows only. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)
So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual data-points and very rough in layout. On the actual form, I think that there needs to be some small changes; a drop down for languages, ability to add wiki-pages in certain fields instead of urls, etc. On the form's display, it would be possible to wrap the current data into a box on the right hand side of the page, much like the current Activities box. I will try to describe what I would like to see more clearly on the wiki-gang list and try to implement it (if I can). On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 15 Sep 2008, at 23:58, Seth Woodworth wrote: Gary, the wiki is generally discussed on the library list, and on the new wiki-gang(@lists.l.o) list. That may be why you missed information about the implementation of SMW. Thanks Seth, I'm still contemplating the changes (+ links as per your previous email). Just to be clear, I do like the move direction, I'm just trying to work out if it's now 'done' and if I (and other activity) developers should now go back and spend time revisiting and revising their activity wiki pages to comply. I think the main weird oddity I see now is that every activity page now using the new for has two blocks of apparently duplicate data showing, very confusing. There's a nicely formatted table at the very bottom (Facts about Moon), but before it is a great long ~page screed of the same data in a wasteful junky layout (Activity Summary). I initially thought my browser was showing some hidden or accidental field of junk data, but Firefox shows it too. --Gary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)
Actually, even more interestingly you could update data in any one of these forms, and then call that data in a different format on the [[Activities]] page, the [[/Activities/G1G1]] page, or even in another language. Setting that the Property:LatestVersion for the page [[Help_(activity)]] can be aggregated on another page to fill in a field... Let me try to find a good example... On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Am 16.09.2008 um 22:27 schrieb Seth Woodworth: So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual data-points and very rough in layout. On the actual form, I think that there needs to be some small changes; a drop down for languages, ability to add wiki-pages in certain fields instead of urls, etc. On the form's display, it would be possible to wrap the current data into a box on the right hand side of the page, much like the current Activities box. I will try to describe what I would like to see more clearly on the wiki-gang list and try to implement it (if I can). As an activity author I'd love to have a single place to edit when a new release is made. The box appearing on the Activities page should be automatically created from the the activity's page, if you know what I mean. I made an approximation of this for the X activity (inspired by the small boxes on top of the Activities page): http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X_Activity which includes the activity box at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X that is also referenced in the Activities page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#Other (hehe, wouldn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#X be a nicer link? No way to do that I fear) - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Help activity: v6, final version very soon!
Help-6.xo is now available: http://teach.laptop.org/~mstone/Help-6.xohttp://teach.laptop.org/%7Emstone/Help-6.xo This version fixes the issue with images loading from FM's site, not the local versions of the images. re: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8558 We are coming up to a final deadline (which has been fuzzy until now) for shipping with the upcoming G1G1. There are a few final changes that need to be made including some chapter splits and merges. I will be logging tickets about each of these issues as I isolate them and publishing them to the library list. If you would like to help out when these emails go out, please reply to the library list and take-on the task. It sounds like after Monday it is going to get INCREDIBLY hard to make any updates to the help-bundle. I can only guarantee with any reasonable degree of certainty that updates made BY 10AM (EDT) will make it into the Shipped version of the XO software to be installed on the next round of Give One, Get One. To see my list of HAVE TO GET IMPROVED, see: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8568 Thank you everyone so very very much for working on the manual it's going to help many many new users :) -Seth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: G1G1v2 Activities
I vote very strongly for Ruler. It's less than 20kb non-compressed! It's too small *not* to include. Top Ten: 1.) Ruler 2.) Moon 3.) StarChart 4.) Bridge 5.) XaoS 6.) Frotz 7.) WikiBrowse Spanish 8.) Words 9.) Tumbleboy On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I should keep both in my activity.info for backwards compatibility with early builds? This was change *long* time ago. I suspect your activity would not work for other reasons if run with such an old Sugar. Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
What are your criteria? Are you ranking things by supportability and size? If so Ruler is a no-brainer. It's 20kb and is unlikely to break easily. On the other hand SimCity is hard to make drastic changes and still be called SimCity. It's currently buggy and has no active maintainer. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Thanks a lot for the input on which activities to ship! Here is the list of activities I will to management as my suggestion on what we ship. Please help test these! See the end of the e-mail for instructions. The list I recommend is essentially the G1G1 activities (kudos to the team who chose the first set!). In addition to those I list a few which got repeated votes (except Chess and Sudoku which are a concession to SJ ;-) Original G1G1 activities: Browse Read Write Paint Record TamTam Jam, Mini, on fence: Synthlab, Edit, Chat Pippy Etoys Turtle Art Calculate Measure Distance Memorize Terminal Log Analyze New ones: Help Implode Speak Maze SimCity Scratch Xaos StarChart Moon GCompris Chess GCompris Sudoku The only significant change from the original G1G1 set is the TamTam. I think we should include 2 not 4 so as not to over weight them against other activities. Let me know if anyone has comments on that (Jean can you live with that?). Not all of these are sure to make it. On the other hand it's very unlikely that anything else will make it. So if you have an urgent request or a specific concern please speak up now. Of course, anyone can download additional activities so even if an activity is not on this list, it still attracts a lot of users. We need help testing these with the latest 8.2 image. We plan to make a release candidate today and if it passes smoke test we will add the activities and content to create a signed release candidate on Monday! Developers, Please reply with the final version and URL of each activity which we should include in the image. Each one must pass final test and have an active and reachable developer to make the final list. Morgan, can you make sure we have a contact e-mail and name on each of these? Also, let me know if you any of them are orphaned or not well maintained. All, Please test them all one more time let us know how it goes. I want to know if each of these passes the tests described here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0#Activities Please create a new test case for any activity that needs one. To do that, go to this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Form:Test_case and entering Tests/Activities/nameofactivity to create a new test case. Then choose activity from the drop down and you can just paste in the steps test from above for a start. Then you can add a test result by clicking on the + sign next to the test case (it takes a little while for them to show up after creation). You can also e-mail comments or test results back to this list. Thanks a lot for your help. Thanks, Greg S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter I'm not convinced that they are well-tested. They included News Reader, which hasn't worked for the last several releases. That doesn't suggest to me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing before deployment. They have since been tested in the field by children. I *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet. At least not from South American and not any broad spectrum. ---Seth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Help activity version 7, please test!
http://dev.laptop.org/~seth/Help-7.xo Release version 7 of the Help activity. This version includes: * Anne's updated power section * Additional image fixes With this release I feel very confident in using git and the help activity repository. So from now on making new versions of the activity will go a lot faster. Please test this release and continue to improve the manual sections at http://en.flossmanuals.org/XO and http://en.flossmanuals.org/Sugar ! --Seth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2-760 AP connect problem
Interesting. What is the encryption type for the AP? On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently did a reinstall of 8.2-760 on my MP G1G1 XO. The new install seems to be very finicky about connecting to my AP: 1. mesh connect keeps trying and seems to stay there with out finishing 2. clicking on my AP circle in the Neighborhood used to stop the mesh and start the AP connect process, now the mesh connect keeps blinking and the AP always asks for the password but then fails to connect. 3. repeated clicks or waiting for some mins eventually gets an AP connection although often if the startup is not monitored the XO will select mesh and never get to the AP 4. turning on 2 XOs at the same time seems to make them both more insistent to get a mesh going rather than the AP 5. suspend and resume can cause this dance (nightmare?) to start again... --Chris ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
OLPC Manual, Help activity v.8
http://dev.laptop.org/~seth/Help-8.xo Version 8 people! You've been amazing. The volunteers that are cleaning up the documentation are working really hard. I've refreshed and exported another version of the help activity today and it's going to be included in the next pre-release build for 8.2: os8.2-761. This build will be created sometime early tomorrow. It's very possible that this *will be* our final release for G1G1. But remember everyone, the activity can be updated via the activity-updator if people can only *get online*. I can't be sure if I will be allowed another revision after this, but I'm going to act is if I can and continue working on the manual. Please test! --Seth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Latest stable release?
Hey everybody, I was looking at the [[Upgrading Firmware]] page today and I
noticed that it was listing 711 as the latest stable release. It's
transcluding the value: {{Latest_Releases/stable}}. The last editor was
Cscott and before that Greg Smith.
This is a really minor thing to update, is it anyone's responsibility? I
assume that we send out big emails when we release signed builds, can this
be done when people see those go out?
Perhaps someone from devel@ or the [[wiki-gang]] would be interested in
taking this on?
--Seth
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Re: Gnash mp3 sound: installing gstreamer-plugins-ugly on build 767?
The way that I undertand it, OLPC's gstreamer is fairly custom, so the standard build of -ugly would have to be rebuilt for the XO. I suggest the Livna repo, mplayer and its assorted faad etc plugins instead. Mplayer, mpd and wymypy as a sterieo-on-xo controlled over webbrowser works really well. Ian Daniher and I have a script that installs all of that (livna, mplayer etc), configure mpd, build a library, launch wymypy.py and even print your ip addr so you know what to connect to. One of us should get arround to finishing/uploading it Sunday? --Seth On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Carlos Nazareno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey OLPC devel! I was wondering if you guys could help me get gstreamer-plugins-ugly installed. Can you guys walk me through this? (disclaimer - linux noob. just started tinkering w/ ubuntu this year) This is with regards to getting Gnash running with sound on the XO, build 767. To get sound (mp3) running on my Fedora desktop, I just did yum gstreamer-ffmpeg and yum gstreamer-plugins-ugly. Okay, with the XO, first installed the Fedora 9 Livna rpm from rpm.livna.org to get Livna added to my repositories. Then, I did a yum install gstreamer-ffmpeg, like I did on my desktop. Next: bash-3.2# yum install gstreamer-plugins-ugly Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 - Updates Newkey Finished Excluding Packages from OLPC Development repo based off of Fedora 9 Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 - Updates Finished Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package gstreamer-plugins-ugly.i386 0:0.10.8-1.lvn9 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: libmpeg2.so.0 for package: gstreamer-plugins-ugly -- Processing Dependency: libsidplay.so.1 for package: gstreamer-plugins-ugly -- Processing Dependency: libdvdread.so.4 for package: gstreamer-plugins-ugly -- Processing Dependency: libgstrtsp-0.10.so.0 for package: gstreamer-plugins-ugly -- Processing Dependency: libgstsdp-0.10.so.0 for package: gstreamer-plugins-ugly -- Processing Dependency: libmad.so.0 for package: gstreamer-plugins-ugly -- Processing Dependency: libid3tag.so.0 for package: gstreamer-plugins-ugly -- Running transaction check --- Package libsidplay.i386 0:1.36.57-17 set to be updated --- Package mpeg2dec.i386 0:0.4.1-3.lvn8 set to be updated --- Package libdvdread.i386 0:4.1.2-3.fc9 set to be updated --- Package libmad.i386 0:0.15.1b-6.lvn9 set to be updated --- Package libid3tag.i386 0:0.15.1b-6.fc9 set to be updated --- Package gstreamer-plugins-ugly.i386 0:0.10.8-1.lvn9 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: libgstrtsp-0.10.so.0 for package: gstreamer-plugins-ugly -- Processing Dependency: libgstsdp-0.10.so.0 for package: gstreamer-plugins-ugly -- Finished Dependency Resolution gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.8-1.lvn9.i386 from livna has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency: libgstsdp-0.10.so.0 is needed by package gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.8-1.lvn9.i386 (livna) gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.8-1.lvn9.i386 from livna has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency: libgstrtsp-0.10.so.0 is needed by package gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.8-1.lvn9.i386 (livna) Error: Missing Dependency: libgstsdp-0.10.so.0 is needed by package gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.8-1.lvn9.i386 (livna) Error: Missing Dependency: libgstrtsp-0.10.so.0 is needed by package gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.8-1.lvn9.i386 (livna) bash-3.2# Doing some googling, I saw that libgstsdp-0.10.so.0 and libgstrtsp-0.10.so.0 are in gstreamer-plugins-base or gstreamer-plugins-good, so I tried yum-ing those with the below results (basically, already installed and latest according to yum). bash-3.2# yum install gstreamer-plugins-base Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 - Updates Newkey Finished Excluding Packages from OLPC Development repo based off of Fedora 9 Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 - Updates Finished Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments Package gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.12-4.olpc3.4.i386 already installed and latest version Nothing to do bash-3.2# yum install gstreamer-plugins-good Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 - Updates Newkey Finished Excluding Packages from OLPC Development repo based off of Fedora 9 Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 - Updates Finished Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments Package gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.5-7.olpc3.1.i386 already installed and latest version Nothing to do So how do I install libgstsdp-0.10.so.0 and libgstrtsp-0.10.so.0 on my system in order to be able to install gstreamer-plugins-ugly so I can get sound running with Gnash 0.8.3? Can anyone help me with this
Re: getting mp3 sound working w/ Gnash easily
Rob, On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:44 AM, Rob Savoye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 04:13:22PM +0800, Carlos Nazareno wrote: We were having a discussion at the Gnash developer mailing list about the absurdity of the situation where it was so difficult to get sound working with Gnash on build 767 that the easy workaround to get sound I have Gnash with working sound and full YouTube video support on 767, and it wasn't even hard. What I mean is that if it's going to take so much difficult jumping through hoops to get sound working with Gnash on the OLPC, why not just recommend that users install the Adobe Flash player which can be done with a single wget-rpm combo and cause less of a support nightmare? Persovnally, the only way to fix this problem is to get political, and start lobbying for the end of software patents. It's the *legal* issues here around codecs and software patents that is the problem, not any technical issue. btw, this attitude is why I've personally given up on the OLPC project. It's been very upsetting to me to see such a great project slowly slide into the proprietary software world. Oh that's right, Nicholas says I'm a free software fundamentalist, holding back the OLPC project... Ship whatever you want... I give up again. The only deployment that I know is shipping proprietary stuff (flash/java) is the Birmingham deployment which has a lot of legacy proprietary ties to discovery-kids videos and other legacy closed-locked-in education websites. SJ and I were/are working with some people at DailyMotion to serve up videos embeded as OGG and using only free formats. I really *want* people to be able to use ONLY free formats on their XO. I *want* them to know what installing proprietary codecs mean before they try to install adobe flash. And if we ship with 0.8.3, once Gnash 0.8.4 comes out (pretty close enough from what I read from Gnash dev), G1G1 users are going to be stuck with an older outdated version of Gnash for a long time. Which won't work, then everyone will say Linux/Gnash sucks, and give me XP and Adobe. Sigh... - rob - This is the second time that I've heard from you that you've had gnash running on/in sugar better than OLPC is, but I haven't seen any of your packages. Is there a permission or access you require that is stopping the publication of your work upstream? If you're not happy with OLPC, is there something stopping you from contributing directly to Sugarlabs? Even if you give up on OLPC, satisfy your own politics by educating the 10's of thousdands of people in the US with XO's about Gnash and codec's. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Serious -- Bug in Wiki-browse/Rainbow in gg-767-4
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8814 This is a pretty big deal. 1.) imaged a machine using the salute method via usb to gg-767-4. 2.) Launch wiki-browse 3.) Click on 'technology' category link (this link important?) 4.) hangs and/or popup window complaining about a Rainbow Policy Issue. 5.) Close and reopen 6.) Rainbow Policy Issue window comes back up. I grabbed another machine and attempted the activity again and got roughly the same result. Did we test this on secured machines? What's the issue here? This is pretty fantastic considering we spent so much of our disk size for the activity. --Seth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Help-Activity (manual) by Dec 1st
There is an upcoming deadline for the Help activity / Floss Manual that I am starting to plan for now. As you may know, OLPC is starting the Give One, Get One program again November 17th. This year we're shipping through amazon and laptops will start arriving very very soon after the 17th. We have the opportunity to auto-update the Help activity when they start arriving. I am going to use December 1st as my deadline to improve the current help activity and close all of the open tickets in our bug tracker relating to the manual: http://is.gd/5c6H I'm not going to have a *lot* of time to work on this before the 24th of the month, but I plan to spend a lot of time finishing little tasks in the final few days before December. If you want to get involved, you can! 1.) The best thing you can do is get an account at http://en.flossmanuals.net/ and start improving/expanding. Try to be a bit more cautious than editing the OLPC wiki's however. 2.) Get involved in translating the manuals: http://translate.flossmanuals.net/write I don't know a lot about this process, so feel free to ask questions on this list for help. I would really love to be able to publish a translated Help-activity for g1g1. 3.) Read the manual, if you find an error, please report it in our bug tracking system here: http://dev.laptop.org/ . Alternatively, you can also send an email to this list and someone will throw it into the tracker. Big thanks to Anne Gentle, Adam Hyde, Floss Manuals, and all of the other volunteers who have worked on the manual so far. Please keep up the good work and keep recruiting more talent! All the best, Seth Woodworth On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Zarro Boogs per Child [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #8839: Update Help activity to clearly state that the XO's antennas should always be pointed up for the best radio reception ---+ Reporter: joe|Owner: isforinsects Type: enhancement| Status: new Priority: normal |Milestone: Not Triaged Component: help-activity | Version: not specified Resolution: | Keywords: Next_action: communicate| Spec_stage: unknown Blockedby: | Blocking: Spec_reviewer: | Verified: 0 Spec_reviewed: 0 | ---+ Comment(by joe): Seth, Please update the Help activity, so I could close this ticket. Joe -- Ticket URL: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8839#comment:5 One Laptop Per Child http://laptop.org/ OLPC bug tracking system ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: laptop.org link error
Hey guys, minor hiccup with a domain registration. It should be working again now. On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Jacob Haddon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. On the front page of laptop.org if you click on the 'ways to give' link it sends you here: http://laptopfoundation.org/en/participate/ which is a parked go-daddy web page. with give one get one around the corner, i think this should be fixed. -j ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Scam alert: [Fwd: Thank you from One Laptop per Child]
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: chris wrote: Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this mail was/is legitimate, and is part of the G1G1 launch starting tomorrow. the links go through a redirector so that OLPC can see statistics on click-through responses. i understand completely why it made you nervous, however. we'll consult with our mailing partner to find out what we can do about the URLs in future mailings. I'm sorry, if I get an e-mail with visible links to amazon.com/xo and the hidden version not coming from the amazon.com domain I will delete first and ask questions later. This trick is *exactly* what phishing and identity theft spammers do. I certainly would not forward such a message to anyone without verification of its validity. If the links were instead to some scrambled URL in same domain, e.g. laptop.org, that would at least indicate that the link gibberish is likely valid since it is in the same domain as the link claims to be. i agree completely. one more level of redirect (from us to our partner site then to the real destination would be far better. i confess i noticed it as the mail was being prepared, but my alarm bells didn't go off. (probably because i was on the sending end, and not the receiving end. :-) we'll do better next time. The system handling our emails did this auto-magically. If we were to do this more than once we would likely setup a better system for it. --Seth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Fwd: Heart Rate Monitor Peripheral
-- Forwarded message -- From: Tom Boonsiri tom.boons...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:31 AM Subject: Heart Rate Monitor Peripheral To: seth.woodwo...@gmail.com Fellow developers, Is your Measure activity feeling neglected? If so, shame on you. =) I'd like to encourage everyone to build on the great work of Arjun Sarwal and help us extend the sensor interface with our peripheral -- the heart rate monitor. Pictures of the device: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3559/3419907541_f62b168dce_m.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3558/3420715230_00e29b7787_m.jpg It's a relatively simple device that measures the blood flow in your finger with an infrared sensor. Powered by USB, the device sends measurements to the XO via the AC/DC sensor interface (audio jack). Using a Measure variant with a heart beat detection method, we are able to display the heart rate (as shown in the pic). If you're a developer interested in integrating biofeedback into your application, please email me for more details on how you can get your hands on a few of our peripherals. Otherwise, we are looking for developers who can help us evolve the Measure activity to better suit the lesson plan we have created for the device. The device is not of clinical quality and solely for educational purposes. We are definitely interested in feedback on our direction. In the short-term, it would be interesting to develop a gui where you could structure a family tree (even extending it to branches for relatives) and allow kids to record measurements for various family members. This could potentially evolve into other health education efforts with a wiki backbone to support health wellness. Please send me your feedback and your interest! Thanks, Tom Boonsiri -- OLPC GoldenState (tom.boons...@gmail.com) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Heart Rate Monitor Peripheral
Right now this device works primarily with the XO-1, taking advantage of the AC/DC conversion going on in the XO's audio-in port. But if the gain were tweaked a bit more it could work with other audio cards. The fact that it is XO-1 Hardware specific means that packaging for different architectures isn't a problem in the short run, correct? On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Alas, the blocker with Measure (and Turtle Art with Sensors) is that we haven't come to consensus regarding a packaging strategy for the binary drivers we include for support of the sensor input; these differ by architecture, which wasn't a problem when we were building for just one architecture. Perhaps the packaging gurus can chime in. (See http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/155). So the sensors are the ones that can get plugged into the audio input/output on the XO? Is this custom to the XO or could be conceivably be implemented/used on other audio cards? Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
OLPC Volunteer Infrastructure Group Meeting: [Today]
The Volunteer Infrastructure Group (/gang) Meeting is today (April 17th) at 4pm (EST) The Volunteer Infrastructure Group is a team of Volunteer Sysadmins who help maintain services and systems around OLPC and the OLPC/SugarLabs community. The weekly VIG meeting is an excellent chance to get involved, or to be aware of upcoming projects. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Volunteer_Infrastructure_Group Meeting Details: Date: April 17th, 2009 Time: 16:00 EST Location: irc.oftc.net #olpc-admin Please feel free to follow up on the olpc-sysadmin mailing list if you would like to add anything to the agenda. Right now the agenda will be set at the start of the meeting. Thanks everyone, Seth Woodworth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: slow wiki?
Sure, let's move this conversation over to the Volunteer Infrastructure Group list: http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sysadmin I will start this conversation back up there Monday. --Seth On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com wrote: I'm currently somewhat busy but I may be able to find some free time. If this can be done remotely, I may be able to help. Do you have any prediction of required time to finish this? Best regards, Tiago Marques On 5/30/09, Seth Woodworth s...@laptop.org wrote: The Imagemagick install on pedal (which hosts the wiki) has been broken off and on for quite some time. The plan of record is to migrate wiki.l.o to a new, clean VM with some additional spam features and the latest stable MediaWiki release. The vig.l.o wiki represents some sandboxing effort for this goal. Unfortunately, I have no real schedule planned for when this will be finished. It would be an ideal project for an awsome wiki-sysadmin to work on with Dogi and myself, but I *also* haven't taken the time to look for one ^__^ Someone want to help with the wiki migration or find a volunteer who can? --Sww On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:47 AM, p...@laptop.org wrote: anyone know why the olpc wiki is responding so slowly? every new page i load is taking a really long time. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel It gets really slow on pages with several images...maybe because the wiki isn't thumbnailing anymore? Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Videos of XO 1.5 in Taipei
I've been emailing back and forth with Charbax, he's limited for bandwidth while still filming in Taipei, but he will be uploading the HD videos to Dailymotion tomorrow (Taipei time). But I will be asking Sebastian about getting them on olpc.dailymotion.com and/or open.dailymotion.com as ogg videos. Once they are up as ogg, Charbax will post links to the ogg version in the descriptions on the current flash copies. --Sethww On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: Or maybe olpc.tv can send its videos to our contact at Dailymotion? They can encode it in ogg and make them available for kids at: http://olpc.dailymotion.com Don't hesitate. rihowa...@gmail.com rihowa...@gmail.com writes: It would be nice if olpc.tv used ogg vorbis. Is there any way to get the videos of XO 1.5 in Taipei, etc. posted in a linux friendly format? XO users are excluded from viewing material about the XO. Where the FOSS are you!! In other words FOSS you..tube, use Ogg Vorbis!! -- Bastien ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Videos of XO 1.5 in Taipei
I still don't see how two SD cards are required. One can swap to a given subset of an SD card and only wear out those sectors. But no, the SD card is only temporary until we have the SDIO wireless card in place AFAIK. 2009/6/3 Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:51 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote: On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Tiago Marques wrote: Hi all, I have some questions to whom might be able to answer them. It would be cool to have that 2nd SD card slot(?) at the top available in the final design, are you considering that option? I doubt it for two reasons 1. they are trying to avoid making any changes to the plastic I would have some uses for the slot, even if internal, like a SWAP device. Also could have dual boot in there, extra storage for countries that would require it, etc. 2. the card slot on the top would be exposed to the elements, even when the laptop is closed up. something that they were trying to avoid. Exposed if internal and concealed? Best regards, Tiago Marques David Lang The VX855 seems able to handle it but the C7-M might need a heatspreader. In those conditions how hot/cool are the chips running while in load? At first sight, it would seem the fliped chip designs would require some kind of metalic heatspreader. Also, will that VGA pinout be relatively accessible in the final design? Or is it too much of a cost/hassle to have it in the final design, even if the connectors not soldered? Best regards, Tiago Marques On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Charbax char...@charbax.com wrote: Posted to http://olpc.tv Filming Pixel Qi and more in just a bit.. -- Charbax, Nicolas Charbonnier ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?
Walter Bender wrote: Slightly off topic, but reading between the lines, it seems there is something more fundamentally broken here. 5000 packages. The Apple app store adds that many new apps every week it seems. Why aren't there 5 million packages available instead of just 5000? Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Money. The App Store is proprietary software. Furthermore, the App Store has strong incentives to update and release new software constantly. Each new app is placed into a 'new app' view that encourages installation of new apps. It extends their marketing beyond keyterm search and apple's ranking/voting system (which has problems with popularity bias: apps that are popular get more popular because they are popular). Free software (ideally) has incentives to improve existing software, contributing towards existing projects/packages and discourages creating trivial clones of existing software. That is ignoring the clones we make of proprietary software. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 6:14 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: The OS is proprietary (android), it would probably fail it you dropped it in a puddle and it has too many radios... What makes you think that this will be a proprietary version of Android? Android is licensed Apache 2.0 with kernel patches as GPLv2[1], although there have been some proprietary apps and customizations on top. [1] http://source.android.com/license ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Help Activity and FC11
Hi George, For the latest Fedora-on-XO1.5 release I've merged the English Help activity content into the helpfr engine, and released a version for the xo1.5's release. The git repo is up on git.sl.org [1]. I tried to merge my changes back into the Help activity main branch (Brian's Help repo[2]), but I'm having some merge issues. Maybe you could help me navigate gitorious and my branch of the current Help repo? [3] [1]: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/new_help [2]: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/help http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/help/repos/Help_XO_1point5 On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:12 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Seth, gang, I just cloned the git version of help at sugarlabs.org (activity.infoversion 9). A couple of months ago I downloaded the then current version of help, because I wanted to include a browser based help system in a debugger I am writing. I discovered, much to my annoyance, that the webview widget, when asked to hide itself, actually gets the pointer to the mainwindow, and hides it. That didn't work for my needs. But I discovered that the helpfr (the french version of help) worked on fc11 and also corrected the widget hide problem. Just for grins, I put the helpfr (Aide) up on build 767 (I think that's sugar 8.2.1), and it worked. So it would appear to be a simple substitution to swap the helpfr browser iengine nto the current v9. I was wondering if someone had already worked up such a branch on git so that help will be ready for FC11 and XO1.5. If not, I would be willing to work on one. George ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Hulahop browser screen width XO1.0 vs XO1.5
It would be far easier to simply change the .css file and layout of the html content in the help activity for the latest versions of sugar. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:27 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi again, My activity uses Hulahop Browser for its help system. The default browser on the XO`1.0 seems set up for 800x600. The CSS width specs on the functioning HELP activity add up to 800 px wide and everything works out ok. But on F11 XO1.5, the same help activity only renders about 2/3 full screen. And I'm experiencing similar problems rendering my help pages between 1.0 and 1.5. On F11, I believe the default screen width sensed by the xulrunner engine is the 1200x900, the actual screen size. I'm pretty sure there's a way to ask the gecko engine to render on a 800x600 screen, or alternatively to ask gecko on the XO1.0 to render on a 1200x900 surface. But I don't know XUL well and I feel I'd be wasting my time learning about how to set up gecko, if someone already knows how to solve this one. I'd be willing to modify HELP activity, once we I find an acceptable solution. George ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Hulahop browser screen width XO1.0 vs XO1.5
Currently the content is already different in the newest version of the activity as the XO1.5 has different features. Are you planning on rebasing the content somewhere? --Seth On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:29 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like a solution which lets Activities run on both older and newer versions of sugar. I just googled js screen_width. It looks like the DOM has a predefined object screen, which we can use to select which CSS to use. I'll try that. If it works I'll document it on the hulahop/webview page .as a solution George On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Seth Woodworth s...@isforinsects.com wrote: It would be far easier to simply change the .css file and layout of the html content in the help activity for the latest versions of sugar. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:27 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi again, My activity uses Hulahop Browser for its help system. The default browser on the XO`1.0 seems set up for 800x600. The CSS width specs on the functioning HELP activity add up to 800 px wide and everything works out ok. But on F11 XO1.5, the same help activity only renders about 2/3 full screen. And I'm experiencing similar problems rendering my help pages between 1.0 and 1.5. On F11, I believe the default screen width sensed by the xulrunner engine is the 1200x900, the actual screen size. I'm pretty sure there's a way to ask the gecko engine to render on a 800x600 screen, or alternatively to ask gecko on the XO1.0 to render on a 1200x900 surface. But I don't know XUL well and I feel I'd be wasting my time learning about how to set up gecko, if someone already knows how to solve this one. I'd be willing to modify HELP activity, once we I find an acceptable solution. George ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Content Proposal, Universal Declaration of Human Rights
There is also a series of recordings in about 35 languages, of the declaration by Librivox: http://librivox.org/universal-declaration-of-human-rights-by-united-nations-volume-02/ ---Seth On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.comwrote: I've been downloading to get materials locally (size estimates, etc.). One thought that occurs to me is to leverage the Region field they display on the website to create a handful of bundles (say 5-7 variants). See attached spreadsheet. This overcomes individual language tracking and puts a grouping of indigenous languages together by region (e.g. numerous African and South American indigenous languages shared across national boundaries). A small handful of bundles would be easier to manage manually in the build process. All bundles could be sent to school server where available. The only overhead it should add would be the concept of creating an index page with links to each individual language, simple enough HTML to build as long as local storage directory is predictable. cjl On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: +100 I like the idea of include the UDHR and the idea of a e-Rosetta. The size is not a problem, I have tried with spanish: The pdf size is 186K, the html is 38K, but we can clean it and have a html version of 14K (ziped is 5K) We can start with a content bundle (.xol) We can do a better job with the content bundles we include. Almost all are from Wikibooks Junior http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior but we continue including the same books from may be 2007. Gonzalo On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: Dear OLPC developers, I would like to propose including the United Nation's Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) in the content bundles provided in the 11.2.0 libraries. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml It is translated into over 400 languages (found here) http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/SearchByLang.aspx Many deployments are apparently interested in English language instruction and I believe that distributing English and local language copies of the UDHR together not only provides an opportunity for a Rosetta Stone type pairing of texts, but it might also serve as a launching point for discussions in civics or social studies classes. I have sent an e-mail to the Secretary of the Publication Board, United Nations to specifically ask about any restrictions they might impose on electronic redistribution of the UDHR text and translations downloaded from their site. However, given the following quote from the UHDR website, the intended use seems entirely consistent with the intent of the UN in publishing the UHDR. On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights the full text of which appears in the following pages. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories. Article 26 is of particular relevance to OLPC's efforts. Assuming there is consensus on pedagogical value and a clear answer on the copyright status of the UDHR, the remaining question is how to go about packaging this content for OLPC distributions. The material downloads primarily as PDF files. I haven't checked them all, but some are text selectable composited PDFs, some may be scanned image PDFs, and a few are possibly available as HTML. I would like to do as little rework as possible on packaging these (in part to get them ready in time for the 11.2.0 release), so I am inclined to stick with the 8 page PDF as downloaded. One possibility would be to include all of the languages, but this seems wasteful of precious space. I am not aware of any storage structure currently available for content management by language in the way that Pootle handles strings and the individual languages in the /po directory in git. I'm unsure of how this could be managed with the build process to pick up the appropriate localized version of the UDHR. Let's be clear that I am not really a developer, so I would be happy to see someone take this idea and run with it. I am more than willing to collaborate with anyone on bringing this to fruition, but I probably can't pull it off all by myself without some assistance (at least advice and feedback on appropriate technical issues). cjl ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
