Re: [Server-devel] [UKids] Internet-in-a-Box 7.0 Preview 2, for Raspberry Pi 4...AND Debian 10!

2019-08-03 Thread Samuel Klein
Congrats!!  Wonderful to see this speedy progress.  I tested out an earlier
release @ DWeb Camp on an RPi4 a couple weeks ago; can't wait to try this
preview.   SJ

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:35 PM Adam Holt  wrote:

> I don't even know where to begin to thank people for all the *amazing*
> improvements over the last 3 weeks since IIAB 7.0 Preview 1.  Little did we
> know that 2 entirely new platforms would be released (Raspberry Pi 4 and
> Debian 10 Buster) in the over these past 2 weeks !
>
> As such this is an *extremely powerful release* having successfully
> navigated to transition to both -- that is incredibly promising new
> hardware (the Raspberry Pi 4 stands to transform schools around the planet)
> and arguably the granddaddy of all Linux distributions (Debian 10 Buster is
> the basis for many other OS's).
>
> IIAB 7.0 is officially now approaching the final home stretch:
>
> https://github.com/iiab/iiab/wiki/IIAB-7.0-Release-Notes
>
> As such please everybody who can report any remaining glitches or
> showstopper issues affecting your country's
> schools/clinics/libraries/orphanages!  (And any subtle/critical needs we
> might have overlooked, as you go about building your own DIY
> Internet-in-a-Box digital library?)
>
> Thank you *again* to everyone who can submit (any & all) feedback that you
> deem appropriate, either in a private email, or right here in our tracker:
>
> https://github.com/iiab/iiab/milestone/5
>
> Background, just in case you're new to Internet-in-a-Box, our
> 1-line-installer to get you going is all you need, and it's here:
>
> http://download.iiab.io
>
> *And almost 50 common questions and answers are right here, just in case
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Re: [Server-devel] OLPC and Khan Academy: Project page

2011-12-21 Thread Samuel Klein
Caryl writes:
 FYI... my granddaughter's algebra teacher at a private school in TX is
now using the KA videos
 as a supplement for her Algebra class. I don't know if she got the idea
because I suggested
 it to my gd or if it happened some other way. My gd has agreed to take
notes about how the
 videos are being used and what she thinks about them.  Good to get a
student perspective.

That would be great.  Likewise to get that perspective from an XO class
using the videos.

SJ


On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:

 Quick thoughts on this:

 OLPCA are in touch with KA about getting permission to distribute their
 [NC-SA] videos to deployments, particularly in cases where we are building
 their servers or laptop images for them.  This looks promising, and should
 be resolved by the time any related projects or tools are finished.

 Among the larger deployments it would be good to hear from here are Ceibal
 and OLPC Oceania, both having expressed an interest in making KA videos
 more widely available to their students.

 From a usability standpoint, anyone using KA videos across a school or
 school system who has written about the experience would make an excellent
 point of reference.  I will see if we can get in touch with someone who the
 Khan staff look to as a model.

 SJ


 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:

 Let me split off a thread specifically about how we can proceed to make
 KA videos available to every school.

 I have start a project page for an OLPC-KhanAcademy bridge, summarizing
 the existing KA projects that I know of.
 Please add yoruself to the list of interested people on that page if you
 want to help out, or are already using KA videos in your schools.

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Khan_Academy

 Among the things this project could use:
 * A Linux port of the offline Khan Academy Web app (someone has already
 made a Windows version, complete with scripts that let you choose what
 subsets of videos you'd like to download).
 * A new XS build that includes a basic set of videos, or at least an
 installed version of this tool.
 * A translation coordinator to help synch up subtitling and dubbing
 efforts, most of which are currently scattered.





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[Server-devel] OLPC and Khan Academy: Project page

2011-12-20 Thread Samuel Klein
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Re: [Server-devel] OLPC and Khan Academy: Project page

2011-12-20 Thread Samuel Klein
Quick thoughts on this:

OLPCA are in touch with KA about getting permission to distribute their
[NC-SA] videos to deployments, particularly in cases where we are building
their servers or laptop images for them.  This looks promising, and should
be resolved by the time any related projects or tools are finished.

Among the larger deployments it would be good to hear from here are Ceibal
and OLPC Oceania, both having expressed an interest in making KA videos
more widely available to their students.

From a usability standpoint, anyone using KA videos across a school or
school system who has written about the experience would make an excellent
point of reference.  I will see if we can get in touch with someone who the
Khan staff look to as a model.

SJ


On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:

 Let me split off a thread specifically about how we can proceed to make KA
 videos available to every school.

 I have start a project page for an OLPC-KhanAcademy bridge, summarizing
 the existing KA projects that I know of.
 Please add yoruself to the list of interested people on that page if you
 want to help out, or are already using KA videos in your schools.

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Khan_Academy

 Among the things this project could use:
 * A Linux port of the offline Khan Academy Web app (someone has already
 made a Windows version, complete with scripts that let you choose what
 subsets of videos you'd like to download).
 * A new XS build that includes a basic set of videos, or at least an
 installed version of this tool.
 * A translation coordinator to help synch up subtitling and dubbing
 efforts, most of which are currently scattered.


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[Server-devel] khan academy videos

2011-12-09 Thread Samuel Klein
There have been various requests to make khan academy videos more widely
availalbe via school servers.  Ceibal has been making a push to localize
them into Spanish; on many occasions people have suggested finding a way to
ensure the videos are available to offline schools.

Has anyone done this so far, independently?  Is there a spanish-language
snapshot yet? I'm talking with people at Khan Academy interested in making
this possible for OLPC to do formally in our builds. (the current NC-SA
license makes this non-trivia).

If you have been using these or similar videos on your own schoolservers,
please share your experiences so far.

SJ

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[Server-devel] Fwd: Marvell plugs and book servers at schools

2011-11-04 Thread Samuel Klein
Forwarding to server-devel.  Thoughts welcome, particularly from groups
that have implemented their own variation on a bookserver or content
server... or have worked with Guru  Sheeva plugs in the past.


-- Forwarded message --

Sameer has been working with a Sheeva Plug / Pathagar server dedicated
solely to being a local book server for a school/region.  (Intended
initially to work in an offline, low-power part of uttar pradesh)  I wrote
about it, and it was presented to an audience @ the internet archive last
week:

http://blog.laptop.org/2011/10/28/book-server-01/comment-page-1/#comment-13790

I'd like to help him update his v 0.01 of the bookserver to a design that
includes an AP - perhaps an integrated Guru Plug?

This isn't currently about schoolservers, but one day the bookserver setup
could be merged into a future XS build.  And many schoolserver forks
implement some variation on a bookserver.

Cheers,
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Re: XO 1.5 Solder Reflow in Toaster Oven

2011-08-23 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote:

 A couple of hours ago, I baked the second XO 1.5 motherboard and yep, it
 booted after that.  I took tons of pictures this time.  I'll post a writeup
 with the pictures in the next few days.  At this point I feel like Julia
 Child.  If Julia Child put circuit boards in her oven.

Sounds delicious.  Now we can all chip in and get you a new toaster ;-)

I can't wait to see the pictures...  If you get some other boards to
play with, [now that you seem to have dedicated your toaster to the
cause] you could try other variations on heating as well, [including
disassembly/reassambly without heat] assuming what's being fixed here
doesn't necessarily involve reflow.


 And no, this is definitely not for the typical user, but hey, on Friday I
 had two dead XO 1.5's and now on Sunday evening I've got two working units.
 No idea on the longevity of this fix, but OLPC is all about experimentation,
 right?

Right!

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Patch to speed up hover menus

2011-07-30 Thread Samuel Klein
Testing out 11.2 - in general, it is just great :-)

I recall a lovely patch that sped up hover menu response significantly
-- is that being considered for inclusion in a future release?

That's the UI issue I would most enjoy seeing resolved.

SJ

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Re: Patch to speed up hover menus

2011-07-30 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks.

self._popup_anim = animator.Animator(0.0, 10)
self._popdown_anim = animator.Animator(0.6, 10)
self._secondary_anim = animator.Animator(1.0, 10)

seems to work for me also.  I'd love to see that considered for 11.3 .

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:

 Testing out 11.2 - in general, it is just great :-)

 I recall a lovely patch that sped up hover menu response significantly
 -- is that being considered for inclusion in a future release?

 That's the UI issue I would most enjoy seeing resolved.

 SJ

 The simple recalibration reported here worked for me:
 https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2367

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Re: Wiki's Google custom search fails.

2011-07-28 Thread Samuel Klein
This should be fixed - Google changed their implementation of custom
search recently.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/customsearch/thread?tid=719daab36a49445chl=en

Let me know if you have any problems with the updated search.

SJ


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 Hi Yioryos,  Thanks for the report.   I'm looking into it.  SJ

 On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis
 mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote:
 The Google custom search in the wiki.laptop.org pages fails with this 
 message from Google:

 We're sorry...

 ... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To 
 protect our users, we can't process your request right now.

 See Google Help for more information.

 Couldn't find any wiki-specific list, thus the (possible) noise.
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Re: Wiki's Google custom search fails.

2011-07-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi Yioryos,  Thanks for the report.   I'm looking into it.  SJ

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis
mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote:
 The Google custom search in the wiki.laptop.org pages fails with this message 
 from Google:

 We're sorry...

 ... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect 
 our users, we can't process your request right now.

 See Google Help for more information.

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Air Jaldi wifi and summits

2011-06-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Air Jaldi seems to maintain one of the larger rural wifi neworks, in
the Indian mountains.

Has anyone heard of people who have attended one of their summits?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirJaldi
http://drupal.airjaldi.com/node/86

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Re: [Testing] Fwd: 11.2.0 Test cases

2011-01-25 Thread Samuel Klein
Creating new test cases seems like the right way to go.  The old ones can
probably be removed now, since they aren't being used to test those old
builds anymore.

SJ

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Holt h...@laptop.org wrote:

  Help Sam I Am :)
 (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing alums and beyond!)


   Subject: 11.2.0 Test cases  Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:17:39 -0500  From:
 Samuel Greenfeld greenf...@laptop.org greenf...@laptop.org  To: OLPC
 Devel devel@lists.laptop.org devel@lists.laptop.org
 I am starting work on a set of test cases to use for the Fedora 14 x86
 (XO-1.0  1.5) 11.2.0 build.

 Currently I am drafting a list of generic test scenarios we may wish to
 consider testing.  That list is at
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases/11.2 .  Feel free to make suggestions
 for additional things to test.

 I also will be working on revamping, updating, and adding test cases to
 better test the OLPC builds.  I'm not certain how to do this within the old
 Wiki markup structure though without potentially breaking records (since the
 test cases are stale, and newer builds often have different expected
 behaviors), so I may end up creating a new set of them in the OLPC Wiki.

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Re: [support-gang] Book sprint to update the help activity?

2010-08-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Christoph Derndorfer
e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote:
 Am 03.08.2010 18:48, schrieb Christoph Derndorfer:
 Am 02.08.2010 22:28, schrieb James Cameron:
 On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 10:10:42PM -0400, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
 Where would one find it for download? I was looking at the Help activity
 on aslo (http://activities.sugarlabs.org/de/sugar/addon/4051), as well
 as the one on w.l.o (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_%28Activity%29) and
 talking to David Farning earlier today and didn't find any information
 about Sugar 0.84 info being included...

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/10.1.2 points at
 http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/help-activity/Help-11.xo

 Thanks for the links. However maybe I'm missing something here because
 at least in the sections I've looked in I can't find any references to
 the changes made in Sugar 0.84 as oppposed to Sugar 0.82
 (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Notes#What_is_new_for_users).

 Any thoughts on this? Can somebody confirm that Help-11.xo has indeed
 been updated to include all the changes implemented in Sugar 0.84?

 Thanks,
 Christoph

Moving this to the devel lists.  I think there's still work to be done
on Help.  A sprint for that might only take a few hours, perhaps in
combination with one for 0.88?  SJ
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Re: [IAEP] Redesigning: Library, Read, Get-Books, and Content bundles

2010-07-28 Thread Samuel Klein
Daniel,

I like the ideas you posted there.  I left some specific comments:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Features/Content_support

Reuben:
 -Allow one to synchronously or asynchronously share
 a book to their
 Neighborhood so anyone can download and read it.

I don't know how synchronous would work - but that sounds like a
feature for bookreaders.

Asynchronously, there are regular requests for both a share [file]
with [target] feature
   http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8171

and a way to share public Journal items constantly while online; as
comes up in both global shared datastore and share files over the
mesh discussions.
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3431


SJ

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
 On 20 July 2010 12:33, Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org wrote:
 So what if we created a Library Activity
 The activity would:
 -Open a book from within the activity
 -Highlight and annotate books
 -List all of the books you have downloaded
 -Allow you to search and download additional books from Feed Books,
 Internet Archive, the XS, etc..
 -List the resources in /home/olpc/Library (so this can be removed from
 Browse)
 -Allow one to synchronously or asynchronously share a book to their
 Neighborhood so anyone can download and read it.

 I'd argue that some of this is duplication of functionality that
 belongs (or already is) in the Journal and the Read activity, having
 such a design might kill some UI complications but add others.

 Parts of your concerns could be addressed with some ideas I wrote here:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Content_support#Accessing_content_from_home_screen

 I agree that this definitely merits further design/discussion.

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devel announce list; publicizing major software firmware updates

2010-07-19 Thread Samuel Klein
We have a devel-announce list that hasn't been much used.  We also
have many people who are interested in getting news about any major
release or security update, but don't have time to read all of the
traffic that goes to devel.

Reuben, Paul and I were discussing this earlier today; I would be
happy to see more people using devel-announce to publicize major
updates.  As there is some demand for this kind of low-traffic list,
if you are interested in that information, please sign up.
  http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel-announce

I also want to remind people of the Latest Releases infobox on the
wiki homepage.  Please update this information if you publish a new
stable release for any platform, or a new firmware release.  Wiki
admins can edit that information by following the +/- link in the
lower right-hand corner.
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Latest_Releases

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Re: [IAEP] devel announce list; publicizing major software firmware updates

2010-07-19 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:

 I also want to remind people of the Latest Releases infobox on the
 wiki homepage.  Please update this information if you publish a new
 stable release for any platform, or a new firmware release.  Wiki
 admins can edit that information by following the +/- link in the
 lower right-hand corner.
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Latest_Releases

 IMHO, someone at OLPC should be the one updating the infobox on the
 OLPC wiki as it implies a degree of support from OLPC that the
 community cannot presume.

When releases are made, the actual release processes I know of involve
updates to a mailing list; the wiki simply reflects the latest updates
that have been announced.  Anyone following that release process can
update the appropriate page (or, if they are not a wiki admin, ask an
admin to do it).

I would love to see a similar brief summary of the latest stable raw
sugar and soas releases (stable and dev) as well - preferably on both
the olpc-wiki and the sl-wiki.

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Re: XO-1.5 HS version announced

2010-06-15 Thread Samuel Klein
Do you have any photos of the new design or keyboard?  SJ

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:41 AM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote:

 As usual, by a random news outlet:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10309116.stm

 These laptops are the XO-1.5 motherboard, but with a non-membrane
 keyboard.  Thanks to Walter Bender for the layout, visible at:
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Spanish_Non-membrane_Keyboard

 The exciting news, for those who have been working with the
 traditional XO, is that we've redesigned the lower half to make
 the keyboard easy to remove for repair.   We will phase this in
 across all XO laptops as tooling allows.

 The color scheme of the HS laptops will be dark/light blue.

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Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-27 Thread Samuel Klein
For reference, please point people to our blog post on the subject,
which offers some context and clarifies the various soundbytes that
are being tossed around (which get confused about models and
timelines).

http://blog.laptop.org/2010/05/27/xo3-marvell-and-olpc/

(Ed, feel free to correct anything in that post with the wrong overtones.)

Cheers,
SJ


On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Ed McNierney e...@laptop.org wrote:
 Folks -

 Below is the text version of the press release OLPC and Marvell issued this 
 morning, announcing our agreement to work together on the tablet-based 
 efforts we've been calling XO-3.0 and Marvell has been calling Moby (both 
 previously announced).  The link takes you to the same document with a few 
 pictures.

 We're just starting this cooperation, so there are things we don't know yet, 
 but the release pretty well covers what we do know.  I think it's important 
 to recognize that our goal with Marvell is to work with them to make a family 
 of tablet products possible, not all of which will be OLPC products.  
 That's something new, and potentially confusing, but we think it can really 
 help us both broaden the community working with us, and help drive our own 
 product costs down by increasing volumes.

 In some of the press interviews around this release, there's discussion of 
 the goal of introducing something at CES 2011 (in January).  That's important 
 to Marvell, but that device will certainly not be an XO-3.0 and probably 
 won't be an OLPC product at all.  But it's one of the steps along the way.  
 Remember that this cooperation is intended to help our goals as well as 
 Marvell's goals, so some of the things announced from the partnership won't 
 be things directly pertinent to OLPC's product plans.

 As we've previously announced, our XO-1.75 product, bringing a Marvell 
 ARM-based motherboard to the current XO-1 laptop platform, is the next 
 product release in our efforts to provide ARM-based, lower-power devices to 
 achieve our mission.

        - Ed

 http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/one-laptop-per-child-and-marvell-join-forces-to-redefine-tablet-computing-for-students-around-the-world-95007559.html

 One Laptop per Child and Marvell Join Students Around the World

 Marvell and OLPC Empower Education Industry to Revolutionize the Classroom 
 Experience through Advanced, Affordably-Priced Tablets

 CAMBRIDGE, Mass. and SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- 
 One Laptop per Child (OLPC), a global organization whose mission is to help 
 provide every child in the world access to a modern education, and Marvell, a 
 worldwide leader in integrated silicon solutions, have agreed to jointly 
 develop a family of next-generation OLPC XO tablet computers based on the 
 Marvell® Moby reference design.  This new partnership will provide designs 
 and technologies to enable a range of new educational tablets, delivered by 
 OLPC and other education industry leaders, aimed at schools in both the U.S. 
 and developing markets. Marvell is also announcing today it has launched 
 Mobylize, a campaign aimed at improving technology adoption in America's 
 classrooms.

 The new family of XO tablets will incorporate elements and new capabilities 
 based on feedback from the nearly 2 million children and families around the 
 world who use the current XO laptop.  The XO tablet, for example, will 
 require approximately one watt of power to operate (compared to about 5 watts 
 necessary for the current XO laptop).  The XO tablet will also feature a 
 multi-lingual soft keyboard with touch feedback, enabling it to serve 
 millions more children who speak virtually any language anywhere in the world.

 The device is also decidedly constructionist in nature.  By design, it 
 combines hardware and software to deliver a platform that will enable 
 educators, students and families around the world to create their own 
 content, and learn to read, write, and create their own education programs 
 and share all of these experiences via a mesh network model.  The device will 
 also feature an application to directly access more than 2 million free books 
 available across the Internet.

 While devices like eReaders and current tablets are terrific literary, media 
 and entertainment platforms, they don't meet the needs of an educational 
 model based on making things, versus just consuming them.  Today's learning 
 environments require robust platforms for computation, content creation and 
 experimentation – and all that at a very low cost, said Dr. Nicholas 
 Negroponte, Founder and Chairman of One Laptop per Child.  Through our 
 partnership with Marvell, OLPC will continue our focus on designing computers 
 that enable children in the developing world to learn through collaboration, 
 as well as providing connectivity to the world's body of knowledge.

 Marvell has made a long-term commitment to improving education and inspiring 
 a revolution in the 

Re: need OLPC contact

2010-04-06 Thread Samuel Klein
Sarah, thank you.

So you suggest including WeSay in our Gnome builds - that's an
interesting idea, and something that Yama mentioned a year ago...
certainly suitable for the OLPC devel list.  That's also the place to
discuss Mono in general,  necessary if this were to become a
widespread effort.
  http://wesay.org/wiki/Getting_Mono_on_OLPC

Do you work with developers who could help make a Sugar activity out
of wesay as well?  It would be nice to offer it as a download to the
1 million students currently using an XO-1, who don't have a Gnome
desktop option:

SJ
who just joined the wesay group.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Sarah Ogilvie sv...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
 Hi SJ,

 Glad you like the idea. There are various dictionary-making tools, but I
 think that 'Wesay' would be the best option for your Fedora 11/Gnome and
 Sugar desktops:

 http://wesay.org/wiki/Main_Page

 Best,
 Sarah

 On Apr 5 2010, Samuel Klein wrote:

 Kevin and Sarah, lovely to meet you, an awesome idea.   What tool
 would you recommend?  We could add it to our Fedora 11/Gnome desktop,
 or better yet to our Sugar desktop as an activity
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_bundles

 SJ

 quote who=Kevin Jones date=Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 06:40:02PM -0700
 Thanks Henry. Mako, my friend Sarah Ogilvie has something that would
 add a lot of value to the OLPC, I think, extending its immediate
 useful value to new groups, and do a lot of good at the same time.
 ccing Sarah here.
 Here is what Sarah said about her project:
 My idea is to put simple dictionary-making software on the OLPC XO
 laptops, so that speakers of endangered languages can document their
 languages. We are living in an era in which an average of one

 language disappears every two weeks, and my project at the
 University of Cambridge (Endangered Languages and Dictionaries)
 looks at how we can write innovative dictionaries that are
 collaborative, community-focussed, and help facilitate language
 preservation and revitalization.
 http://www.lucy-cav.cam.ac.uk/pages/the-college/people/sarah-ogilvie/elad1.php

 There are various options for simple software which are perfectly
 suited to the XO laptops, and I would be happy to discuss the issue
 further. This could be another important extension of the OLPC
 project and its vision to use technology as a means of bringing
 freedom and empowerment to children. I would be delighted to help in
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Re: Android, OLPC, and native hosting

2009-12-30 Thread Samuel Klein
NoiseEHC, I think your arguments would be more convincing if you
didn't respond to every email, especially when you'd made that point
before in the same thread :-)


On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:40 AM, NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu wrote:

 The software is designed for learning. *That* is what Sugar was created for, 
 which is not at all what Android was created for, as you claimed when 
 starting this discussion.


 Another Straw Man argument. What I said was Android OS solves exactly
 the same *problems* Sugar has been created to solve. You know while you
 have noticed correctly that Android was created to be a phone OS and
 Sugar was created to be a learning OS (not too that hard to notice
 though), they had almost the same *problems* to solve. Because they had
 different goals they did not solve exactly the same problem set (it was
 an exaggeration in my sentence) but close (self hosting dev tools and
 local communication are the main differences).

That said, I find Noise's line of reasoning here compelling.   What
are specific features of the current Sugar experience that people
think would be hard to port to Android [porting Etoys might in fact be
hard]?

SJ
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RE: Wanted: List of Sugar activities for the XO-1.5

2009-12-05 Thread Samuel Klein
Here's a list of activities that I think would be great, both worth starring
and worth having unstarred (it's a large enough list now that it's confusing
to have them all on the home screen by default, but there are lots of great
activities that people who know about them will want even when they're
offline with no way to get new activities).

There may be another 5-10 of these that are worth unstarring for a clean,
useful firstboot home screen...  I'm testing these over the weekend.

OLPCorps classes had lovely stories about using both Micropolis and Moon
with parents and students becoming interested because of those activities
(Moon for religious reasons).

Words still accumulates bad characters at the start of its input field if
you keep using it and encounter words with accents, but it's also been very
useful.

Read Etexts is a bit redundant with Get Books, but it is lovely in its own
focused way, and small.

OOo4kids and Gcompris (a suitable subset) would be excellent additions...
both have sizeable development communities compared to most of the
activities here

SJ


TO TEST:

 ==

 Browse
 Calculate
 Chat
 Distance
 Etoys
 Implode
 Infoslicer
 IRC
 Labyrinth
 Maze
 Measure
 Memorize

 Physics
 Pippy
 Read
 Record
 Scratch
 Speak
 TamTam *
 Terminal
 Turtle Art
 Typing Turtle
 Words
 Write

 [ADD]
 Get Books
 Help
 Wikibrowse (en, es)
 ..
 Falabracman
 FoodForce2
 Micropolis (Corps support!)
 OOo4Kids (link to Gnome)

GCompris
 TuxPaint
 ..
 Finance
 Geogebra
 SocialCalc


 [UNSTAR]
 Analyze
 Jukebox
 Log
 Moon (Corps story!)
 Paint

 [ADD  UNSTAR]
 VNC Launcher
 Read Etexts?




 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Chris Ball c...@laptop.org
 Date: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:54 PM
 Subject: Re: Devel Digest, Vol 45, Issue 53
 To: Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org
 Cc: OLPC Development devel@lists.laptop.org, Eric Bachard 
 er...@openoffice.org


 Hi,

 [Added ericb to CC; Eric, we're talking about which applications to
 include by default on our OLPC XO-1.5 software release.]

How about suggestions for programs on the Gnome side?

 That's a good idea, thanks.

 I haven't decided what to do about OpenOffice yet -- at the moment we
 don't ship it, but do ship abiword and gnumeric.  The options for it
 look something like:

 * just add the openoffice.org Fedora packages for GNOME.
  (How much disk space would that use?)

 * just add the Ooo4Kids activity for Sugar.

 * just add the Ooo4Kids activity for Sugar, *and* find a way to make
  the same activity launchable inside GNOME.  This would need Ooo4Kids
  to be useful for older kids as well, since they're the target
  audience for using GNOME instead of Sugar.

 The OOo4Kids activity is here:

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4241  (100MB)

 Perhaps someone could try out OOo4Kids, see how it compares to
 standard OpenOffice, and see how much disk space adding the full
 OpenOffice packages would require?

 Thanks!

 - Chris.
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Re: Wanted: List of Sugar activities for the XO-1.5

2009-12-05 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:

 Samuel Klein wrote:
  [ADD  UNSTAR]
  VNC Launcher

 Not sure what this category is for, but I feel like I need to put in a
 plug for Watch Me [1].


It's for activities with great demo potential, or that are useful in the
hands of clueful XO uses/techers/c -- but aren't so broadly useful as to
merit taking up 2% of the default desktop.


 Watch Me, wraps this process into a pure Sugar form, so that XOs running
 Sugar can share their screens with each other.

 [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/sugar/addon/4205


That's very cool; I hadn't tried it  before.

 http://dev.laptop.org/~bemasc/StopWatchActivity-3.xohttp://dev.laptop.org/%7Ebemasc/StopWatchActivity-3.xo

+1

Mike writes:
 I would recommend against including finance by default.  As laptops
 are given out by government agencies in countries where people are
 often suspicious of the government and it's often the time that they
 are trying to increase tax revenue this might well lead to suspicions.

What about leaving it unstarred?   I'd hate to leave out a good practical
activity just out of indirect fear; similar arguments could be used as
reasons not to have a word processor or spreadsheet altogether.

SJ
(who wishes ImageQuiz  were available :)
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Re: XO-1.5 follow-on impression

2009-10-16 Thread Samuel Klein
Some more comments from recent use and demos of my 1.5 w/ os32, some
of which I'll put into trac.

1) Twice in half an hour I was able to get Sugar to stop redrawing
when, while it had 5-6 activities open, someone hovered over the XO on
the desktop to pull up the config menu.  The menu would open, not
display text, and the mouse and interface would stop working.
journal/frame keys wouldn't work.  ctrl-alt-del worked instantly in
both cases to restart X.  I couldn't dupliate on demand.

2) Infoslicer always claimed it couldn't reach the network to download
articles even when browse had no trouble.

3) The network still shows three copies of every access point.

4) Both Browse and Firefox on Gnome don't load certain popular sites
(see below).

SJ


-- Forwarded message --
From: Kalil Nicolas
Subject: V1.5 issue

Since you said to report issues I may find in the V1.5, here are a few:

Using Gnome, I try accessing the Major League Baseball website and
since there are too many pics and some options for real time games,
the pictures just keep flashing and never actually open…its very slow

Same happens when I access the Skype Website (was going to try and
download) the website wouldn’t open, it keeps just flashing back and
forth the download option.

=


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
 Was able to use the XO-1.5 (os32) at another location, connected without a
 proxy.  My opinion - this is a quite nice machine.

 The principal user-perception experience where improvement would still be
 welcome is video support.  Changes to the screen (e.g., show/hide Frame) are
 not being done smoothly.  And when viewing moving pictures, the
 currently scanty hardware acceleration (e.g., ticket #9407) is noticeable.

 For me, the XO-1.5 is a performer -- it runs many many Activities, plus
 applications ported from Linux.  Interaction with the network works.  I
 think that with this product the users' demands are met.

 mikus

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?

2009-06-30 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Martin
Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote:
 Actually I came along this myself the other day. I would propose to have the
 file name as the entry title and the 'downloaded from' description in the
 journal entry description field.

 +1!

+1
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Fwd: Gnash loves the Via C7

2009-04-23 Thread Samuel Klein
Rob - Gnash tweaks would be welcome.  Could you use an A-board when
they're ready?  They're expected out around the end of  May:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_specification_1.5

These requests should go to our contributors program
contribut...@rt.laptop.org, with the address and shipping phone # to
use.

--SJ

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rob Savoye r...@openmedianow.org
Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Subject: XO 1.5
To: SJ Klein s...@laptop.org


Hey, when are these going to be available, and is it possible to get one
so I can tweak Gnash for the better performing hardware ? Gnash *loves*
the Via C7, as it has good graphics support.

       - rob -
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Re: 2PM EDT Friday: BRIEF Contributors Program Mtg (#olpc-meeting)

2009-03-17 Thread Samuel Klein
On a related note, OLPC are looking for mentors and project ideas for
Summer of Code this year, so please add yourself and your ideas -- or
those of people you are mentoring, where a CP project has an obvious
good fit.

See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code for details and encourage
mentors to list themselves there.  We are particularly interested in
good mentors for schoolserver projects and key activity development.

SJ


2009/3/13 Holt h...@laptop.org:
 Contributor Program v2.0 is off to a Great start this month, thanks to So
 Many of You, including:

     * almost 15 active (dare I saw AWESOME) Mentors
     * several Laptop Lending Libraries Right Now getting underway this
 month in Australia, New Zealand  beyond
     * a far more accessible reviewing process volunteers are increasingly
 helping me roll out (you know who you are, thank Mafe  all!!)

 Join us reviewing the latest OLPC/Sugar community projects today 2PM EDT in
 just over an hour from now:
    http://forum.laptop.org/chat

 Then type at bottom:
    /join #olpc-meeting


 1. We'll review these 4 new projects:

     NLP tools for OLPC, Meaning to Word Multi-lingual Dictionary by Ervin
 [ALBANIA]
     http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35617

     PROJECT i-TEACH, Philippines by Emmanuel [PHILIPPINES]
     http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35665

     OLPC Jericho by Sebastian [WEST BANK, PALESTINIAN TERRITORY, ISRAEL,
 GERMANY, SWITZERLAND]
     http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35743

     Ghana olpc by Eric [GHANA]
     http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35942

 (*) site passworded to protect personal privacy of applicants; if you can
 help, please do join http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_Gang !  NEW: Project
 summaries of pre-approved projects will soon be posted here, as they
 bubble up to maturity: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects


 2. Revising Prior Proposals

    Integrate CRM Web form using XO by benbas [MALAYSIA]
    http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35391

    Loan Laptop to students and lecturers by benbas [MALAYSIA]
    http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35393

     AND OTHERS!
     http://rt.laptop.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue=%27contributors%27


 3. Hone our Mentoring Process!

     * Our Science fair garden is growing fast for springtime, watch (and
 help!) /many/ ongoing inspiring changes Hullaw  others sparking here --
 help all worthy projects past/present/future take root!
    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects
     * Application process clarified regarding privacy/sharing options --
 Title, Objectives, and Mentor Preferences must be web-published:
    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors_program/Project_proposal_form
     * Build Awareness around our new: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors
     * Mentor More Projects-- Help Us Resolve several dozen Project Proposals
 dating from 2008:

 http://rt.laptop.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue=%27contributors%27
     * Keep stress-testing our new CP v2.0 to make sure it continues to scale
     * Craft RTFM's and email to all older/ongoing projects asking them how
 it's going, how we can help!
     * Craft email to the many who registered over the last year expecting
 hardware, but failed to to complete the 2nd step applying :(


 4. Projecting Futurism

     *  Several Laptop Lending Libraries are Right Now getting underway.
 Help us provide them the best ideas towards organic growth (Project Pools)
 by commenting here:
         http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors_program_criteria
  * Contributors Program v3.0 arising springtime?

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_meetings/20090301#Agenda_Item_2:_Contributors_Program.2B.2B.3B_Radical_Overhaul_Advances
     * Your Other Questions!

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Re: Google summer of Code?

2009-03-12 Thread Samuel Klein
A few of the the details here are wrong...

2009/3/8 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com:
 No definite agreement has been made, but in preliminary chats, it seems
 that both organizations agree that anything for XS or specific to XO hardware
 should go in OLPC, and everything else (general Sugar improvements,
 frameworks, or activities) should go in Sugarlabs.

We discussed this at XO camp, and people from Sugar Labs were
considering not supporting activity development and focusing on core
sugar development.  Has this changed?  In general, do you expect that
priorities for toolchain and activity development will be the same?

I expect that many activity development and student projects
interested in working with current schools will apply for both OLPC
and Sugar Labs projects; they are welcome to apply to both, and those
doing work relevant to Sugar should be encouraged to!  Applying to
multiple GSOC groups is standard practice; students do not need to
choose.  We had a couple of students last year who ended up working on
OLPC related projects for other orgs.

 expected with just one org. We actually got only 2,

We had 4 students last year.

SJ
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Re: [Wiki-gang] getting the truth about future releases onto wiki.laptop.org

2009-02-23 Thread Samuel Klein
no need for page deletions; there's still a lot to be worked out over
the coming months.  I believe joyride is working as designed at the
moment and should be updated once 8.2.1 is quite out the door.

SJ

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:03 PM, S Page i...@skierpage.com wrote:
 9.1.0 is cancelled, joyride does not incorporate latest Sucrose, O.S.
 development is taking place elsewhere.  Such adjustments have made big
 chunks of wiki.laptop.org deceptive.  AFAIK, no one has put this change
 in direction on the wiki (?!), so I jumped in.

 * I started with http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Future_releases , adding a
 new section
   == Next-generation releases will not come from OLPC ==
 based around NN's QA statement.  I added a subsection pointing to the
 most promising replacements (~cjb/rawhide and SugarLabs' SoaS XO
 images), with a not ready caveat.

 IMO, the Future_releases page should continue to be the definitive
 statement about future releases (duh).  The wiki has thousands of
 half-hearted ill-maintained pages, it doesn't need more.


 I have adjusted some misleading pages, always linking back to [[Future
 releases]] so as to avoid populating lots of pages with info that's
 subject to change.

 * In the Devel line of the Latest Releases green box I put a Read
 note! link.

 * In http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Joyride I added a section
   === Joyride is not producing usable releases ===

 * I marked http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0 as obsolete, saying
   A specific 9.1.0 release from OLPC is not going to happen,
 linking to Ed McNierney's public statement in
 http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-February/023079.html
 (I did the same in the 9.1.0 section of Future releases.)

 * In http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images#Development_builds I indicated
 the change in approach and de-emphasized joyride.


 == TO DO ==

 * Find and adjust many other misleading pages.

 * I'm not sure what to do with the big swath of 9.1.0 Future
 features/roadmap pages and subpages.

 * Can someone with rights please update http://dev.laptop.org/roadmap to
 add a prominent link to [[Future releases]] and kill off the dead
 milestones.

 * Is the Joyride stream obsolete rather than temporarily not working as
 designed?

 * If there are specific XO features that are going away in this new
 world (e.g. Rainbow,  Bitfrost, olpc-update, the Software update Sugar
 control panel, press O to revert to previous image, ?), they should be
 listed in a new Not applicable section of
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Enabling_XO_features_on_other_distributions
 and their wiki pages somehow flagged with a {{does not apply in new
 world}} template.

 * Is this janitorial work in the ruins a waste of time better served by
 wholesale page deletions?


 Thanks for all you do, and I look forward to the next-generation Linux
 distributions with Sugar running on my XO.

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Re: XOIRC migrated to Sugar Labs (as IRC Activity)

2009-02-17 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:12 PM, S Page i...@skierpage.com wrote:

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XoIRC still points to laptop.org for bundle,
 source, POT.  Several other migrated activities likewise have incorrect
 wiki.laptop.org pages.

Indeed.  Please tag those at the top with {{Migrated to sl.o}} but
don't blank the page.  In this case you are moving a page that can be
edited and discussed to one that does not really support either (and
that has misleading metadata).

Last time I carried out a similar migration, we left the original
pages up for roughly 12 months, which is a good time-scale on which to
let wikis settle.  It helps if the target page moved to is also
editable,  annotatable, and history-preserving.


 You *could* follow
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Maintaining_activity_web_information to

Please update this page / discuss around this page ways in which you
would like to see activity pages migrated.


 I think only activities in an activity group or with an update URL
 pointing to wiki.laptop.org still need information on w.l.o.
 But what do others think?

I think it makes sense to have the short-template versions of all
activities that work on XOs on [[Activities/All]] and the like, until
the activity-discovery process within Sugar [and within older versions
of Sugar out in the wild] changes.  But those could be updated from
info stored in an activities.sl.o database.

SJ
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities migration status

2009-02-11 Thread Samuel Klein
Can someone create a project hosting page for new projects on the sl wiki?

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29, S Page i...@skierpage.com wrote:

 Then http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Project_hosting  is obsolete.  What's the
 equivalent page on sugarlabs.org?

Not obsolete; just missing an important piece of information.

 Parts of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_an_activity are also
 out-of-date.

I would particularly like to see the Scope section of a hypothetical
project hosting page on the sl wiki; at the moment it seems that
non-sugar projects might not be welcome to host/mirror their work
there.

For instance, the SL mission is to produce, distribute, and support
the use of the Sugar learning platform rather than, say, to directly
'reinvent how computers are used for education through collaboration,
reflection, and discovery' [the latter taken from Sugar's founding
goals].  Would projects focused on the same goals but not currently
part of the Sugar-platform-roadmap be welcome?


 Note that you don't need to ask permission to anyone in order to get a
 source repository created.

I like that part.  Are there criteria for removing someone's project
if it's deemed inappropriate?

SJ

 Regards,

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Re: What's going on with Text To Speech on the XO?

2009-02-11 Thread Samuel Klein
Hemant, Tomeu, Assim and all,

Has there been any progress on TTS since last summer?  I'd love to see
this project move forward.  Prabhas has also indicated some interest
in working on language-learning support, which is directly related...
It would also be nice to have Listen and Spell among the regularly
tested activities.

SJ


On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:22 PM, James Simmons
jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote:
 Ed,

 Thanks for your response.  I never questioned that there was still
 interest in TTS on the XO.  What I was wondering is if there was any
 progress made by Hemant Goyal or anyone else in getting the
 Speech-Dispatcher software included with the Sugar distribution, if the
 newer version of Python that resolved the power management issue was
 included, etc.  I've sent a couple of emails to Hemant and haven't heard
 back from him.  I was wondering if he was still working on these things,
 or if someone else had taken over his work, etc.  He was making RPMs for
 Fedora for installing speech-dispatcher.

 James Simmons

 Edward Cherlin wrote:
 Welcome back. There is significant interest from other organizations
 in our use of TTS with text coloring. I have just started discussions
 with the Doug Engelbart Foundation, Creative Commons ccLearn, Alan
 Kay's Viewpoints Research, and OLE about a new project to create a
 full range of teaching materials around Sugar. TTS-TC is important for
 literacy, of course, and also for language learning.




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Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities migration status

2009-02-11 Thread Samuel Klein
Is there no way to move/create an activity so that the same code push
will update both sl's gitorious and olpc's git?

Until there is a policy of sorts in place, and better yet an endowment
supporting long-term maintenance of a server hosting projects (one of
the two mentioned so far in this thread, or a dedicated
project-hosting service elsewhere), I would focus on creating good
mirrors, rather than on picking any particular single host.  There is
currently still risk of losing people's work.

SJ

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like that part.  Are there criteria for removing someone's project
 if it's deemed inappropriate?

 Not yet, but I assume if someone thinks that somebody else's use of SL
 infrastrucutre is not under the project scope we'll discuss it on the
 sugar-devel or IAEP mailing list.

 --
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 http://luke.faraone.cc

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities migration status

2009-02-11 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there no way to move/create an activity so that the same code push
 will update both sl's gitorious and olpc's git?

 Until there is a policy of sorts in place, and better yet an endowment
 supporting long-term maintenance of a server hosting projects (one of
 the two mentioned so far in this thread, or a dedicated
 project-hosting service elsewhere), I would focus on creating good
 mirrors, rather than on picking any particular single host.  There is
 currently still risk of losing people's work.

 While you wait for a best case scenario We will continue to move
 forward one step at a time.

I was replying to the idea that people move backwards, and not mirror
their code.  SJ
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Re: XFT emacs rocks on the XO...

2009-02-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also, the XO ships with a very limited vim. yum install vim-enhanced
 has improved my part-time vim usage.

can we fix this in the next refresh?  how much extra space did it
take?  vim is useful.
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Re: Google summer of Code?

2009-02-09 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks Peter!  OLPC are definitely participating tihs year.  We should
pull together a good list of both sugar and OLPC projects.

On the OLPC wiki, this means updating two pages
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2009/Ideas

The latter needs a new page.  SL should set up one as well, assuming
they are doing SOC.

SJ

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 I noticed that quite a few organisations are starting to ramp up for
 GSOC and getting people to start thinking about proposals etc. Not
 sure if OLPC/Sugar are planning on participating but if so it might be
 worthwhile to start to get people thinking about what needs to be done
 etc.

 Cheers,
 Peter
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Re: Please update etoys in 8.2.1

2009-02-06 Thread Samuel Klein
I would like to see a java update.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote:
so after the 8.2.1 release the plan is to just switch to standard Linux
distros?

 Speaking entirely as a volunteer: the answer depends on who you ask.

 Since I think that 8.2.0 wasn't half bad, I'm currently trying to persuade
 people who feel similarly to work with me to assemble an 8.2.2 with some 
 useful
 bugfixes and software updates, because I think that

   a) it's the right thing to do

   b) it will complement various upstream efforts (both in Fedora, Sugar Labs,
  and the wider FOSS community at large) by helping to concentrate
  deployment-specific testing effort on the most relevant parts of
  their work

   c) that it's important to deliver a product which directly meets the needs 
 of
  existing deployments even when those needs don't precisely match the 
 needs
  and goals of the larger upstream communities.

 Does this help clarify the situation?

 Michael

 P.S. - My current ideal list of changes would include:

   * fix the memory stability issue
   * ship the new gabble w/ support for out-of-band stream tubes
   * ship the latest gnash

 and I'd be very happy to discuss shipping various sugar or platform updates as
 well; e.g. java.

 What do you want to see in a new release?
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Re: OLPC upgrades

2009-01-30 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Frank Ch. Eigler f...@redhat.com wrote:
 Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org writes:

 [...]  It's also worth pointing out that the new low-power x86
 processors, Atom being the poster child, are still stuck with
 power-hungry support chips - memory and display controllers.  That
 might change soon, but for now it's still the case.  [...]

 According to the ACPI battery gauges under Fedora 10, my Fujitsu U820
 UMPC (Atom Z530, Poulsbo GMA500 MCH/graphics) takes around 6W *total*
 during light webby operations.

What do those same gauges tell you about an XO under F10?

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Re: [Activities] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting

2009-01-29 Thread Samuel Klein
I should add - with an in-person meeting in Cambridge
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-open/2009-January/001318.html

People who will be focused on the activities chat but want to get
together in person are welcome.

SJ

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:
 Note: there will also be a global volunteering meeting at the same
 time in #olpc from 3-5, and we will drop in and join for some of the
 activity discussion.

 SJ

 On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
 Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
 http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
 All are encouraged to attend.  I will be especially happy to see the
 following kinds of people well represented:
 - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers!
 - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of
 Sugar activities at
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus.
 - Deployment representatives who need activities  activity features
 yesterday.
 - G1G1 participants who want to get involved.
 - Representatives from the other SL teams.
 Hope to see you there,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting

2009-01-29 Thread Samuel Klein
In that vein, I'd love for someone to document how to add new
graph-reviewing, labelling, and import/export options to Measure.
Using graphs one has made, or looking at a history of graphs made and
data gathered, is hard -- not necc. easy enough to use in an ongoing
science experiment.

--SJ


On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 18:17 -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote:
 Hi everyone,


 Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
 Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.


 http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings



 Wade, great idea! I would love to attend but unfortunately 3 PM EST
 translates to 2 AM Saturday morning.

 I do have an item to add to the agenda, which you and I have discussed
 previously.

 I would love for someone on the activityTeam to document how to easily
 add new instruments to TamTam. I have added this as a High-impact task
 on the ToDo List

 We do have a Nepali volunteer Vrishank Khanal who is trying to figure
 this out. Vrishank is brand-new to linux, programming, and open-source
 so adding instruments to TamTam may be beyond his current abilities if
 the task requires C Programming and/or CSound scripting. He has
 contacted Jean Piche. Let's hope he hears back soon.


 --
 Bryan W. Berry
 Technology Director
 OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org

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Re: [Activities] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting

2009-01-28 Thread Samuel Klein
Note: there will also be a global volunteering meeting at the same
time in #olpc from 3-5, and we will drop in and join for some of the
activity discussion.

SJ

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
 Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
 http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
 All are encouraged to attend.  I will be especially happy to see the
 following kinds of people well represented:
 - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers!
 - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of
 Sugar activities at
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus.
 - Deployment representatives who need activities  activity features
 yesterday.
 - G1G1 participants who want to get involved.
 - Representatives from the other SL teams.
 Hope to see you there,
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Re: GSoC 2009?

2009-01-26 Thread Samuel Klein
Sounds like a fine idea to me, Martin.  Assuming we are accepted again
as a mentoring org, we should be eligible for more projects than last
year.  But do bear in mind that we may not get anyone interested in
those projects; and that a successful GSoC internship is primarily
about a good experience developing a meaningful product, and the
interns are free to define how to tackle the problem they undertake.

SJ

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ed, devel, server-devel, sj
 GSoC

 GSoC is looming. I am thinking of putting some of the things that I
 was planning to do in the next X months as GSoC projects (and that I
 know I'm unlikely to hit).

 Ideally, I would take take 2 or 3 mentees, with a preference towards
 those who live in deployment regions...

 retry/ignore/fail?


 m
 --
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  - ask interesting questions
  - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
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Re: [Server-devel] GSoC 2009?

2009-01-26 Thread Samuel Klein
Sounds like a fine idea to me, Martin.  Assuming we are accepted again
as a mentoring org, we should be eligible for more projects than last
year.  But do bear in mind that we may not get anyone interested in
those projects; and that a successful GSoC internship is primarily
about a good experience developing a meaningful product, and the
interns are free to define how to tackle the problem they undertake.

SJ

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ed, devel, server-devel, sj
 GSoC

 GSoC is looming. I am thinking of putting some of the things that I
 was planning to do in the next X months as GSoC projects (and that I
 know I'm unlikely to hit).

 Ideally, I would take take 2 or 3 mentees, with a preference towards
 those who live in deployment regions...

 retry/ignore/fail?


 m
 --
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  mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect
  - ask interesting questions
  - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
  - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff

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Re: Greetings from the Eastern Townships School Board Quebec Canada

2009-01-15 Thread Samuel Klein
As usual, participants online can take part via justin.tv , phone conf, or IRC
(check blogs.laptop.org for details).

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:
 Dear all,

 We are finishing up the last day of technical talks at XO Camp,
 discussing synchronous and asynch collaboration.  Transcripts will be
 available soon on
   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOCamp_2/Notes

 For the last morning of XO Camp tomorrow, we have a few special guests
 from Quebec:

 Ron Canuel and others from  the Eastern Townships school board in
 Quebec will be giving a 45-minute presentation about the last 5 years
 of their saturation deployment of computers in the classroom.

 They have a good relationship with Uruguay (see below) and are keen on
 sharing their experiences with us.  They have also worked with
 Terri-Nicole (a Harvard Ed School student who has been @ the Camp this
 week).  Please come at 9:45 am tomorrow for their talk and a QA
 session afterwards.  An introduction to their work follows, and slides
 for the talk are attached.

 SJ


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Ron Canuel
 Subject: Greetings from the Eastern Townships School Board Quebec Canada
 To: s...@laptop.org


 Good afternoon Samuel,

 I have assembled a team of four experts in the field of laptop
 technology and deployment who are finalizing the presentation for next
 Friday, the 16th of January.  We are very excited to present and have
 reviewed the agenda as well as the format of the week.

 For information purposes, our School Board, the Eastern Townships
 School Board is one of the few school districts in North America to
 have provided free wireless laptops to all
 students/teachers/administrators/trustees from Grades 3-11, including
 our two adult education centres.  We began our deployment in 2003 and
 have acquired much expertise and knowledge on the keys to successful
 deployments of technology in education.  We remain one of Canada's
 best kept secrets because we have witnessed a less than enthusiastic
 endorsement of the role of technology in the classroom.  Please take a
 look at our website: www.etsb.qc.ca  and look under the Enhanced
 Learning Strategy.

 The OLPC represents a major and significant shift in paradigms in
 education and sharing with you and your colleagues our experiences
 will hopefully make the deployments in other countries easier.

 The US Department of Education have used our pedagogical and
 technological rubrics and posted it on their website, since they
 acknowledged our important work in this area as well.

 All of this expertise was fully appreciated by our education
 colleagues in Uruguay, who signed a partnership agreement with our
 School Board, to assist them in the deployment of the OLPC laptops
 throughout the country.  We visited Uruguay and also had delegations
 from Uruguay visit our schools.  As you can understand, we are also
 receiving inquiries from other countries, most recently from the
 ambassador of South Africa who wants our School Board to provide
 further information on how laptops can make a difference in their
 schools.  I can include Paraguay and Peru as well.

 We also concluded an agreement with the world famous Cirque du Soleil,
 in which we provide education to the minor artists of their shows,
 synchronously, from our head office in Quebec.

 All of this to say that, fully understanding the major upheaval that
 the OLPC personnel have just experienced, we look forward to seeing
 you on the 16th of January,

 Sincerely,

 Ron Canuel
 Director General
 Eastern Townships School Board

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Re: XOCamp 2: Day 3 update

2009-01-14 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello,

We are currently talking about a string of technical topics : l10n,
journal, performance/memory, power, and jffs/ubi --- through the end
of the day.

After this there will be a brief talk about digitizing and creating
books from ed cherlin at 5.  The post below has the latest information
for joining in.

SJ

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:
 We've made a few schedule changes today, with talks about
 customization, signing, and activation moved to later in the
 afternoon, and a longer session on the school server through the
 morning.

 http://blog.laptop.org/2009/01/12/xo-camp-on-tv/

 Feel free to leave comments, questions and ideas on the schedule's
 talkpage if you can't join in person.

 SJ

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XOCamp 2: Day 2 update

2009-01-13 Thread Samuel Klein
We've made a few schedule changes today, with talks about
customization, signing, and activation moved to later in the
afternoon, and a longer session on the school server through the
morning.

http://blog.laptop.org/2009/01/12/xo-camp-on-tv/

Feel free to leave comments, questions and ideas on the schedule's
talkpage if you can't join in person.

SJ
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XOCamp 2, Day 1 update

2009-01-12 Thread Samuel Klein
Dear all,

We're in the middle of day 1 of XOCamp.  You can take part in a few ways; we are
 * streaming over the web at justin.tv  (search for xocamp and olpc),
 * on an call-in conference line (see the wiki page for details)
 * on IRC in the  #olpc channel on freenode.net.

For those without irc clients, you can use your browser: visit
http://forum.laptop.org/chat
to open #olpc-help, then type  /join #olpc

For the current week's agenda, and slides for many talks, please see:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOCamp_2

We have a few sessions of open hacking, and are glad to include new
brief sessions or discussion topics; we can also present slides for
you if you can't do it in person / want to engage remotely.

Finally, we are archiving the conference media and transcripts; if you
have general questions about OLPC, our communities and deployments,
getting involved, or Sugar and hardware development, feel free to ask
them on the event's talk page and we will make sure your questions get
answered.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:XOCamp_2


Regards,
SJ
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Re: revisiting the 9.1 planning meeting : Friday, 3pm?

2009-01-09 Thread Samuel Klein
OK, we are on for 1500 Eastern today / 2000 UTC in #olpc-meeting for
the weekly 9.1 roadmap discussion.  For those on devel, sorry for the
short notice; I mistakenly sent this only to tech-team yesterday.

Please bring agenda points you want to raise about 9.1 planning
(including a maximum of 3 minutes devoted to a discussion about
changing the name, which seems to derail many such recent
conversations.  so if you feel strongly about that, you consider
expressing your opinion and reasoning in writing, in advance.)

SJ


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Mel Chua m...@laptop.org wrote:
 (whoops, meant to send this to everyone, not just SJ.)

 Fine by me as well - I'll be coming from FUDCON, can someone please remind
 me? I'll keep #olpc-meeting open, likely head back to the office at that
 time.

 --Mel

 Samuel Klein wrote:

 Hi,
 I was talking with cjb about having a short version of the weekly 9.1
 planning meeitng to discuss how OLPC's changes affect the roadmap,
 what the process might be for a country hoping to upgrade to 0.84, and
 generally how to best facilitate the creation of the next stable
 release of Sugar for the XO.  mstone has thought about this more than
 anyone under the scenario where there is a distributed base of
 contributors that independently would have a hard time producing a
 full release...

 I would also like to reorganize Monday's schedule so that half of the
 day - the afternoon? - is given over entirely to this subject.

 What do people think about having a 3-4 discussion about this in
 #olpc-meeting, including how to raise these issues over the weekend
 and at XOCamp next week?   Some of us heading to FUDCon will also be
 coming back to 1CC at the end of the afternoon, so it would be nice to
 be done by 4pm.

 SJ


 Greg Smith wrote:


 10 minutes - XO Camp status. Assign more people to help present.

 25 minutes - 9.1.0 feature status. Briefly review next steps on the top
 four areas: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0_requirements#Top_Priority

 15 minutes - 9.1.0 bug scrub plan. Pick start date and times for


 intensive bug scrub.


 10 minutes - set action items and agenda for next week


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Re: status of forks

2009-01-09 Thread Samuel Klein
There's a discussion going on right now at FUDCon with gregdek and cjb
running down the 20 or so forked packages and smoothing out how to
merge them back in.  So there should be helpful updates soon.

SJ
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Re: [IAEP] XOCamp diplomas? + beg for housing

2009-01-06 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi Jameson,

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 1. Diplomas

 I know it sounds ridiculous, but here in Guatemala every conference or

Not /that/ ridiculous.

 Keep reminding us about this.  The idea is so foreign to me that I
 keep forgetting to follow up on it.

 I'd be happy to throw something together. I would need a list of attendees
 who want them, and 1 or 2 people with official titles to sign the things;
 and I'd like some resources for printing the things (printer and nice paper,
 or a few bucks to acquire [the use of] those).

 If you could put this together that would be great.  We can then use

Seconded.  Send what you throw together to the lists, and we can give
you feedback.  And we can get it printed up here so you don't have to
travel with them / we can fill out last-minute attendees.  [also, it
doesn't make sense to give them out /before/ people attend... so that
they preserve whatever little value they have]


 2. Housing beg

 I will be in Boston from the night of the 12th (Monday, arriving on a late
 train) to that of the 17th (leaving by train on the morning of the 18th). I
 am confident that I can, if necessary, find housing independently of this
 list; but it would be nicer to be staying with other XO people. If anybody
 has a couch/room available, please let me know privately. Thanks.

We need an [[XO couchsurfing]] page. I'll get back to you on the
availability of our Cambridge couch.

SJ
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Re: Recording XO Camp 2

2009-01-06 Thread Samuel Klein
I feel the same way about some of the FUDtalks.  We'll definitely have
our  video setup for XOCamp sessions.  We need to find a better mic,
though.  --SJ


2009/1/6 Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com:
 I hope that someone is planning to record these sessions as was done at the
 last event.  I watched all of these and found them very helpful and
 informative as a way to get the flavor of backstory, opinion and debate that
 doesn't always come through reading the lists.

 My personal opinion is that audio posted with a copy of the presentation
 slide deck is almost as good as video, and better in some ways, if this is
 easier.  Of course video is great to connect voices with faces when the
 videographer isn't drawn into side conversations and remembers to change the
 direction of the camera when the slides are in play.  (It's a lot to ask
 that someone withdraws from active participation enough to do this job, so I
 am not complaining about the occasional lapse.)



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G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi,

The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
on the blog.
  http://blog.laptop.org

Quick G1G1 updates :
1. The first batch of international G1G1 machines should all have
arrived this week, in time for Christmas.
Some people in Europe weren't sure about when the program is ending;
while we didn't announce a specific date, it is likely to stop after
December 31st.
While there was been discussion about continuing G1G1 for a short
while longer in the US, that may end at the same time.
   http://blog.laptop.org/2008/12/24/g1g1-international-update/

2. There is a form you can fill out if you'd like OLPC to mail a
thank-you card to someone when you donate  on their behalf, and a
downloadable PDF of the card you can send directly:
   http://laptop.org/thankyou/donationform.html
   http://laptop.org/thankyou/OLPC_GiftCard.pdf

I hope we can use a lot of these for the ongoing give-a-school program
(whatever it is called!).  If you make translations (of the form or
card), post details to localization@ and web-t...@laptop .

Holiday spirits,
  SJ
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Re: Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
That is a fine point, Mikus.
We are working with dailymotion to provide an archive of all olpc
videos formatted cleanly for the XO.

http://www.dailymotion.com/factory/olpc
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/

for the time being, you can just write to web-t...@lists.laptop.org if
there's a video you want to see that isn't up there.
the message from Lennon already is.

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
 There are those of us who have difficulty watching YouTube on our XOs.  Is
 there somewhere to download this video with wget ?

 mikus


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Re: Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
If you still want the originals for download, you can find some at
media.laptop.org, but that machine isn't designed to take much
traffic.
http://media.laptop.org/zimi/
http://media.laptop.org/brandvideos/

You can also see other videos uploaded to the olpc group at DM, which
are automatically converted and moved there (once they are approved
for group inclusion), so if you already have a vid you want others to
be able to see on their XO, make a DM account and post it to
http://www.dailymotion.com/olpc

where it will join

http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7gne6_give-one-get-one-2007-thank-you_school
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7f7jj_one-laptop-per-child-zimis-story-fu_school
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7o505_skills-the-right-to-education_lifestyle
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7ft2t_olpc-mission-video-part-1_tech
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7ft5g_olpc-mission-video-part-2_tech

along with a large collection of Plonsters claymations, a /huge/
collection of Cullen Wood kids' videos, and more.

Sebastien - I think we may need another way to navigate (a set of
numbers in addition to   ) now that the group's broken 400
videos...

SJ


On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:
 That is a fine point, Mikus.
 We are working with dailymotion to provide an archive of all olpc
 videos formatted cleanly for the XO.

 http://www.dailymotion.com/factory/olpc
 http://olpc.dailymotion.com/

 for the time being, you can just write to web-t...@lists.laptop.org if
 there's a video you want to see that isn't up there.
 the message from Lennon already is.

 SJ

 On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
 There are those of us who have difficulty watching YouTube on our XOs.  Is
 there somewhere to download this video with wget ?

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
David,

I believe it's his real speech, with a few composite moments.  It
sounds like other interviews I've heard -- and different from most
singing voice examples in my head.  You're not alone in making that
comment about the voice. Feel free to suggest post topics or
additional videos to review for the blog in the comments.

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:28 PM,  da...@lang.hm wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, Samuel Klein wrote:

 Hi,

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
 makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
 I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
 get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
 50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
 the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
 on the blog.
  http://blog.laptop.org

 personal opinion here, I don't like using digital fakery to make dead
 celebreties say things that they never said (movies that are clearly fiction
 are an exception to this)

 In this case I think the quality of the audio splicing also leave a lot to
 be desired (but then again, I've never listened to recordings of Lennon
 talking, so it could be his real speech pattern)

 the other videos on the blog are very interesting. I hadn't heard of this
 blog before, thanks for the pointer.

 David Lang

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org writes:

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.

 I only like the beginning - flying XOs...  the first attempt for a
 forthcoming screensaver activity?

My thoughts exactly.  I'd like to know who wrote the code for that.


 For the rest of it, it sounds fake, it's too short, what we see and
 hear is nothing but a distraction from the core message.  Looks like
 people have been playing with a beautiful idea, but ended up with a
 toy-movie.

 My favorite so far is Waveplace's one:

  http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3wB-7JeOE

It certainly has the best imagery of kids in XO schools.
Has that white-on-black version of the logo appeared anywhere else?

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:

 I believe it's his real speech, with a few composite moments.  It

I stand corrected; it was an actor.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Aha!  Yes, I've made that a response to the recent spot.  As for the
comments... this is a chance to work on your skill at teaching through
one-liners.
There are a few other great videos up that are worth sharing where
appropriate; Joels video of an 8 and 10-year old repairing a keyboard
comes to mind.  For those who haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pus_fA1Tv9w

Project4Awesome has some tips for using YouTube to spread an idea
[they run an annual 'take over YT for charity' day every Dec. 17] -
http://www.projectforawesome.com/?page_id=16

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM, S Page i...@skierpage.com wrote:
  the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in the middle of
 the jungle?  give them food!

 I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop ,
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
 That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock
 response to the doubters.

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Re: The new OLPC ads

2008-12-16 Thread Samuel Klein
The Lennon ad hasn't been released yet.
I saw CDs with a version of it in the office this morning.

SJ

Martin writes:
 -- still, everyone mentions the Lennon ad and
 I haven't seen it. They mention  and show the fast learners ad but
 no the Lennon ad.

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Re: Browse Start Page

2008-12-16 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks, Jacob.  It would be good to see other very different designs
for the front page as well.

I think it's important to include easy ways to
 - search for help and info about OLPC/XO/Sugar [with links to Help activity?]
 - learn about python / smalltalk / C / source / programming in general
 - search the web [with options for diff. engines]
 - search the computer [for documents / metadata; with links to journal-search?]

TiddlyWiki in my experience is easy to mess up and be unable to
restore... are there solutions for this now?

SJ


On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Jacob Haddon tha...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I've set up a moc start page for the Browse activity. It seems that a great 
 opportunity is missed on the browse from page for helping provide information 
 to the students about their computer, about resources available to them, and 
 possible connections to the school server.

 My moc-up can be found here (this is for demonstration, layout and design 
 aspects can be changed and by that I mean improved)

 http://sixthcrusade.com/start.html

 The layout is pretty simple, using the YUI, i set up a few tabs with 
 information in each. The first is the standard 'start' page where the student 
 is going onto the net. Other tabs can be set up for specific subjects based 
 on the needs of the classroom or OLPC itself.

 For example, a tab just on the XO with links to the GPL, where to get the 
 code, etc, would help with one of the recent discussions on this list. There 
 could be links to Python information, tutorials, or even an entire tab on 
 Python.

 This set up will allow more robust information to get to the student beyond 
 the simple start page. Also this helps with the not-so-quite intuitive 
 bookmarks that browse currently offers.

 On a related note, TiddyWiki (http://tiddlywiki.com) now works in the Browse 
 activity. This too could be set up as the homepage, again with sections 
 pre-set up for use, but adding the ability for the student to add things to 
 it, such as a daily journal, or collections of links and such.

 Either the YUI example or the TiddlyWiki could be used, or both in some 
 combination (YUI as home page with link to the wiki)

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Re: Wine activity

2008-12-12 Thread Samuel Klein
A popular program that has been requested a few times via Wine is
Let's Go for english learning.
This activity definitely needs its own section on
wiki.laptop.org/go/Wine ...  SJ

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler bsitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's awesome work! I was able to install Wine and use it, including
 firefox and a win32 application I had previously build using mingw32
 under Linux on another PC and uploaded to a webserver, and then
 downloaded using firefox inside wine. However, I did notice the
 following oddities:

 1. When I later resumed the activity from the journal, the wallpaper
 was gone and nothing worked, although the start-menu items for firefox
 were still there.

 2. It was not clear to me how to save wine's state to the journal.

 3. At some point the usual 'leave full-screen mode' icon appeared in
 the upper-right corner, but clicking it seemed to have no effect other
 than to make it disappear, i.e. no sugar UI appeared and the desktop
 size did not change.

 4. Wine crashed when I used Firefox's download manager to open the
 location of a downloaded file (winefile appeared briefly, then the
 whole activity crashed.) I have no idea why yet, but perhaps there is
 some information left in a log file somewhere I will find.

 On the bright side, this means it's fairly trivial to run at least
 some windows-only software on the OLPC now, which is great when
 there's not yet a Sugar or Linux version.

 -Ben

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Vincent Povirk
 madewokherd+8...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Wine activity has advanced to the point where I think it's ready
 for testing by actual users.

 The current package, development history, and my todo list are at
 http://wiki.winehq.org/SugaredWine

 The intent of this project is to provide a shell that can be used to
 run Windows programs using Wine in the Sugar environment. It should be
 good enough that someone used to Windows can grab and install a
 Windows program without help, once the activity is installed. Ideally,
 the installer and software will both work fine in Wine and within the
 hardware limitations of an XO. In this ideal case, someone used to
 Windows should be able to operate it without help.

 If it does not live up to this ideal for platinum software (according
 to the Wine appdb) whose hardware requirements the XO meets, I want to
 know about it and hopefully fix it.

 Wine bugs and hardware limitations mean a lot of Windows programs
 won't work or won't work properly. On Linux, one can often push the
 compatibility much further than what works out of the box by looking
 at console messages (the log viewer works for this) and tweaking Wine.
 Don't expect everything to work perfectly, but don't give up if it
 doesn't. This is normal, even on Linux.

 Winehq.org has support channels for such cases (appdb, bugzilla,
 mailing lists, and the winehq irc channel). Most of the people there
 probably don't know anything about Sugared Wine, but collectively they
 should know more than I do about making Wine work in general. If a
 program doesn't work for you, you can go to any of those places for
 support. You can also email sugaredw...@codeweavers.com. That goes
 directly to me for now, but in the future (maybe the very near future)
 I may decide to send it somewhere public, like a mailing list,
 instead.

 Wine and the code that I developed for this project are licensed under
 the GNU LGPL. The entire package isn't quite LGPL because I included
 7-zip. 7-zip is LGPL + unRAR restriction (you're not allowed to use
 the source code to create a RAR compressor).

 If you have a program that works well in this Wine package and would
 like to package it as a stand-alone .xo, please let me know. I already
 did most of the work for this so that I could include 7-zip and a
 firefox downloader/installer (and I could probably have included
 firefox itself if not for the fact that it would require uploading
 non-open-source code to repo.or.cz).

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Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Bernie Innocenti
 Sorry if I reacted defensively, sending notifications to devel@ was
 our best practice in the good old pre-G1G1 days, but, clearly, it's no
 longer sufficient now.  Establishing procedures for notifying planned
 outages seems like a good course to me.

Agreed.  I think for the past 4 months or so, since we started to get
double our previous traffic, significant steady use of our sites by
Uruguay, and (in particular) a stronger dependence on w.l.o and l.o by
deployments and press events,
 * we no longer have 'safe' times to take services down
 * we should be extra careful to maintain mirrors or readable versions
of services durint maintenance of any sort
 * there are thousands of users who have never engaged with mailing
lists, active wiki chats, or our community, but depend on our
information and servers (wiki info, support, activation, bug tracking,
c).


 Maybe this should be a topic in the next VIG meeting?

Definitely.

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Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Samuel Klein
Let's keep this discussion civil...

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:47 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was speaking of larger communication issues.

Great.  Can we resolve them by providing more and more regular (and
more public!) information?  Communication issues are rarely fixed by
throwing pies.

 Two week ago you said that a statement would be forthcoming about the
 relationship between Sugar Labs and OLPC.

What do you expect in such a statement?  What is the relationship in your words?

I don't know what Ed had in mind, but I'd like to see more and more
casual discussions of this on all sides.

 Two week ago you said that a statement would be forthcoming
 ...Instead, you asked one of your employees to to say that a
 statement would be coming.  Thereby putting his reputation,
 not yours, on the line.

Please assume good faith.  Your comment above assumes ill will and is,
to the best of my knowledge, misguided.

 Last week, I contacted you in regard to Fudcon planning.
 You said that you would work it out and get back to us.
 I relayed that information back to Fedora; as one would relay

We should all be talking together, no relays necessary.   Some of
these planning updates are on my plate, and I will get back with more
news tonight.  What are Sugar Labs' plans for Fudcon?  Providing more
public information on all sides will help everone, more than the
tastiest food fight.

SJ
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Re: OLPC/SL relationship

2008-12-04 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Samuel Klein wrote:
 I was speaking of larger communication issues.

 Great.  Can we resolve them by providing more and more regular (and
 more public!) information?  Communication issues are rarely fixed by
 throwing pies.

 Announcing what OLPC is planning to do from time to time would be a
 first step in the right direction.  Discussing these plans with the
 community on devel@ would be even more appreciated.

Agreed.

 Since when we started the G1G1 last year, OLPC became less and less
 inclined in discussing potentially embarrassing topics with the
 community in public lists. With many customers and deployments all
 over the world, there are understandable concerns about legal
 liability and potential impact on the public image.

Goodness, sometimes I think everything we do is potentially
embarrassing.  Are there concerns about our public trac system
imposing liability and impacting our public image?  not really.
But people have dropped their comm bandwidth when they get stressed or
busy, that's for sure.

many times it's more a desire for pepole within OLPC who only have 80%
of an answer not to get the other 20% wrong that keeps anyone from
discussing certain things publicly.

 Well, I guess it's the necessary price one pays in order to grow a
 healthy and useful community around the project.  You thought me that,
 remember? :-)

(-:


 Two week ago you said that a statement would be forthcoming about the
 relationship between Sugar Labs and OLPC.

 What do you expect in such a statement?  What is the relationship in your 
 words?

 I don't know what Ed had in mind, but I'd like to see more and more
 casual discussions of this on all sides.

 I keep meeting people who see the Sugar Labs effort as some kind of
 competitor to OLPC, or even a *fork*.  And these are probably a small
 fraction who have been outspoken enough to say it.

 Our respective goals are distinct, but not necessarily incompatible.
 There's a lot of overlap that would make our long term relationship
 worthwhile in spite of the past.

 Walter Bender and Chuck Kane agreed to work together since before
 Sugar Labs was established. And many SL people also happen to be OLPC
 people, and vice-versa... so there is _already_ some kind of
 collaboration going on at some levels.

 What's needed at this point, IMHO, is a clear, open statement from
 OLPC that we're *really* committed to work together.  Not merge, nor
 marry... but work together on the thing we both need: Sugar.

 Or maybe just say: NEVER, GET LOST!!! ;-)

Now I have Dawn Upshaw singing in my subconscious.   Thanks a lot.

What does commitment mean here? for some people, including me, I have
a hard time imagining the opposite, so I guess it's easy for some
people to take this for granted and for others to be overly sensitive
and assume it would not happen.


 We should all be talking together, no relays necessary.   Some of
 these planning updates are on my plate, and I will get back with more
 news tonight.  What are Sugar Labs' plans for Fudcon?  Providing more
 public information on all sides will help everone, more than the
 tastiest food fight.

 We apparently discussed it for a while, but I still didn't get around
 to catch up with my email.  All I know for sure is that this time I'll
 just sit back and enjoy the conference as a guest. ;-)

I'm sure you will enjoy that!  I didn't see it discussed publicly;
pleaswe make sure that those conversations are on public lists when
you are part of them.  I'll do the same.

OLPC is committed to having sessions specifically about the XO at
XOCamp the three days after FUDCon so that we can focus on shared
goals and components during it (and so that we can have wrap-up /
overview sessions for people working on XO planning that builds on
whatever comes out of FUDCon collaborations).I hope we can work
out how to combine community infrastructure tracks of the two (and
share resources to bring in community members from around the world
who really need to build stronger ties with one another so that they
can go back to assuming good faith on lists such as this one!).

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Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Bernie Innocenti
 I'd volunteer to work on a testwiki.laptop.org running a copy of
 Mediawiki with its own database, where we could performs upgrades.

OK, but I think it's often unnecessary for wikis - you can switch the
db to read-only mode instead.

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Re: Yay!, Bee, See (ABC) software

2008-11-24 Thread Samuel Klein
Ben,

This is brilliant!  Definitely brightened my day.
I just converted it to an xol bundle which you can try downloading...

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Yay-Bee-See-2.xol

You should create a page about it (and tell this story!) on our wiki...

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Yay-bee-see  (page not created yet :)

--SJ


On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I have just joined this list and read through the archives, but could
 not find anything similar. I also didn't find mention of anything
 similar on the OLPC Wiki.

 I recently wrote some software for use by my daughter on her OLPC. It
 runs inside the Browse activity, either locally using a file: URI or
 over the network. I don't know whether it will be of interest to
 anyone else, but I have released the software to the public domain and
 packaged it along with scaled-down (1600x1200 or less) copies of some
 public-domain images and some copyrighted-but-free-to-redistribute
 images under GFDL, and various Creative Commons Attribution-Share
 Alike, Attribution, and Share Alike licenses. Individual attribution
 for each image is included in the application source code.

 overview:

 I wrote some software using DHTML (JavaScript, HTML and CSS.) It's to
 help learn letters and numbers, and is intended to be used with adult
 supervision and involvement. It is fairly easy to customize it to use
 different images and support different alphabets simply by editing the
 contents of the style element in the HTML file.

 The software is very, very, very simple — it just echoes typed letters
 and numbers in a large, colorful font and shows a somewhat-relevant
 background image for each one. The images are various freely-usable
 ones I found on Wikipedia or in the Wikimedia Commons. View source
 code for full copyright information for the associated images.

 online version of the Yay!, Bee, See application:

 http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see.html

 an archive of the application (ZIP, ~15 MiB) including all images:

 http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see.zip

 blog post about it:

 http://bsittler.livejournal.com/15244.html

 background:

 My daughter (who turns two this week) has been enjoying her OLPC from
 last year's G1G1 program much more than I expected she would
 (originally I intended to wait until she was older and literate to
 introduce her to the OLPC, but she seemed to treat it as a favorite
 toy starting around the age of 18 months.) She likes the Record
 activity (she calls it Waving hand and uses it like a mirror-image
 mirror,) Skype (not bundled, but she uses it to talk to and see
 far-away family,) and listening to music (theclassicalstation.org).
 She also likes pressing buttons, rotating the ears and screen, and
 opening and closing the laptop. However, she seems somewhat frustrated
 by not being able to do things on it for herself (or as she puts it,
 do it self!,) so I thought I might write a small program where her
 keypresses give some feedback, and help reinforce her interest in the
 digits and letters of the alphabet (she loves being read to and
 recognizes many letters and digits, but does not seem to understand
 reading yet.)

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Re: Yay!, Bee, See (ABC) software

2008-11-24 Thread Samuel Klein
 Ben --

When you're zipping up the directory, if you add a metadata file in
this subpath:
  library/library.info

and give the resulting zip file the extension .xol, you'll have an XO
library bundle.

Here is a sample info file, with all required fields :
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Yay-bee-see-library.info
Note that the 'name' field in the info file should match the name of
the root directory.

Our standard is to increment the version # in the metadata every time
you make a change; that allows tools like Sugar's software updater
know when there are newer versions of packages available to install.

SJ

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 yeah, i added a 1200x900 version with more agressive JPEG compression
 which looks good both in color mode and in monochrome mode and is only
 4 MiB or so:

 http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see-olpc.zip

 hosted version:

 http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see-olpc/index.html

 does that seem any faster?

 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:21, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:

 Hi,

 I have just joined this list and read through the archives, but could
 not find anything similar. I also didn't find mention of anything
 similar on the OLPC Wiki.

 I recently wrote some software for use by my daughter on her OLPC. It
 runs inside the Browse activity, either locally using a file: URI or
 over the network. I don't know whether it will be of interest to
 anyone else, but I have released the software to the public domain and
 packaged it along with scaled-down (1600x1200 or less) copies of some
 public-domain images and some copyrighted-but-free-to-redistribute
 images under GFDL, and various Creative Commons Attribution-Share
 Alike, Attribution, and Share Alike licenses. Individual attribution
 for each image is included in the application source code.

 Seems a great addition for the younger age range :-)

 I did notice that even on a high specced laptop (1.5Ghz, 2Gb ram, broadband
 connection) the background image was very slow to display (until it had been
 cached locally).

 One suggestion, 1600x1200 seems a bit large (even as a max size). For the
 XO, 800x600 (max!) would seem to be a fair max image size to save nand space
 and keep image quality. The XO screen is capable of 1200x900 in black/white,
 and 800x600 seems a reasonable number for it's colour resolution abilities:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display

 --Gary

 overview:

 I wrote some software using DHTML (JavaScript, HTML and CSS.) It's to
 help learn letters and numbers, and is intended to be used with adult
 supervision and involvement. It is fairly easy to customize it to use
 different images and support different alphabets simply by editing the
 contents of the style element in the HTML file.

 The software is very, very, very simple — it just echoes typed letters
 and numbers in a large, colorful font and shows a somewhat-relevant
 background image for each one. The images are various freely-usable
 ones I found on Wikipedia or in the Wikimedia Commons. View source
 code for full copyright information for the associated images.

 online version of the Yay!, Bee, See application:

 http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see.html

 an archive of the application (ZIP, ~15 MiB) including all images:

 http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see.zip

 blog post about it:

 http://bsittler.livejournal.com/15244.html

 background:

 My daughter (who turns two this week) has been enjoying her OLPC from
 last year's G1G1 program much more than I expected she would
 (originally I intended to wait until she was older and literate to
 introduce her to the OLPC, but she seemed to treat it as a favorite
 toy starting around the age of 18 months.) She likes the Record
 activity (she calls it Waving hand and uses it like a mirror-image
 mirror,) Skype (not bundled, but she uses it to talk to and see
 far-away family,) and listening to music (theclassicalstation.org).
 She also likes pressing buttons, rotating the ears and screen, and
 opening and closing the laptop. However, she seems somewhat frustrated
 by not being able to do things on it for herself (or as she puts it,
 do it self!,) so I thought I might write a small program where her
 keypresses give some feedback, and help reinforce her interest in the
 digits and letters of the alphabet (she loves being read to and
 recognizes many letters and digits, but does not seem to understand
 reading yet.)

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Re: Yay!, Bee, See (ABC) software

2008-11-24 Thread Samuel Klein
Yes, that's a fine baseline.   As you point out, I had a hard time
with the license field; enter what you like but please do include a
full LICENSE file in the bundle that provides specific licenses (and
attribution where required), image by image.

If you download an xol file onto your xo from a webserver that has
mimetypes set properly (such as w.l.o) it should automatically install
itself into your Library/ directory.

I don't know about that page not rendering properly on an XO; what
version of Browse are you running?

SJ

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks!

 A few questions, though:

 1. Is there any reason I shouldn't start with your version 2 .xol as
 my baseline? I'd like to update it to use the new lower-resolution,
 lower-quality images (which still look just fine on the XO-1 even in
 greyscale high-resolution mode zoomed out to the 1px = 1px scale.)

 2. Is there some way to install the .xol more user-friendly than just
 unzipping it into the ~/Library directory?

 3. I notice that in the description on the wiki for the bundle you
 wrote fdl text, pd, cc-by and cc-sa images. Some of the images are
 cc-by-sa and fdl, too. Also, the HTML text is actually pd (or at least
 it was in the version I released — of course you are welcome to
 license copyrighted derivative versions however you like.)

 4. And finally, is there some reason the OLPC wiki does not work right
 when viewed from an XO-1? I had to go through URL-hacking contortions
 to open that page in Browse (it just said the page was empty
 otherwise.)

 Thanks, (and please pardon my ignorance!)
 -Ben

 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ben --

 When you're zipping up the directory, if you add a metadata file in
 this subpath:
  library/library.info

 and give the resulting zip file the extension .xol, you'll have an XO
 library bundle.

 Here is a sample info file, with all required fields :
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Yay-bee-see-library.info
 Note that the 'name' field in the info file should match the name of
 the root directory.

 Our standard is to increment the version # in the metadata every time
 you make a change; that allows tools like Sugar's software updater
 know when there are newer versions of packages available to install.

 SJ

 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 yeah, i added a 1200x900 version with more agressive JPEG compression
 which looks good both in color mode and in monochrome mode and is only
 4 MiB or so:

 http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see-olpc.zip

 hosted version:

 http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see-olpc/index.html

 does that seem any faster?

 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:21, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:

 Hi,

 I have just joined this list and read through the archives, but could
 not find anything similar. I also didn't find mention of anything
 similar on the OLPC Wiki.

 I recently wrote some software for use by my daughter on her OLPC. It
 runs inside the Browse activity, either locally using a file: URI or
 over the network. I don't know whether it will be of interest to
 anyone else, but I have released the software to the public domain and
 packaged it along with scaled-down (1600x1200 or less) copies of some
 public-domain images and some copyrighted-but-free-to-redistribute
 images under GFDL, and various Creative Commons Attribution-Share
 Alike, Attribution, and Share Alike licenses. Individual attribution
 for each image is included in the application source code.

 Seems a great addition for the younger age range :-)

 I did notice that even on a high specced laptop (1.5Ghz, 2Gb ram, broadband
 connection) the background image was very slow to display (until it had 
 been
 cached locally).

 One suggestion, 1600x1200 seems a bit large (even as a max size). For the
 XO, 800x600 (max!) would seem to be a fair max image size to save nand 
 space
 and keep image quality. The XO screen is capable of 1200x900 in 
 black/white,
 and 800x600 seems a reasonable number for it's colour resolution abilities:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display

 --Gary

 overview:

 I wrote some software using DHTML (JavaScript, HTML and CSS.) It's to
 help learn letters and numbers, and is intended to be used with adult
 supervision and involvement. It is fairly easy to customize it to use
 different images and support different alphabets simply by editing the
 contents of the style element in the HTML file.

 The software is very, very, very simple — it just echoes typed letters
 and numbers in a large, colorful font and shows a somewhat-relevant
 background image for each one. The images are various freely-usable
 ones I found on Wikipedia or in the Wikimedia Commons. View source
 code for full copyright information for the associated images.

 online version of the Yay!, Bee, See application:

 http

Re: garbled Education is our Mission page on Amazon.com/xo

2008-11-17 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks, skier.  we have a website rt queue now for things like this :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...  SJ

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:23 PM, S Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Congrats on the amazon.com/xo relaunch!

 The XO picture at amazon.com/xo links to
 http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8node=1243369011 and that has several
 garbled characters in place of apostrophes and some other punctuation, e.g.

 Children are consigned to poverty and isolation[\0x1a]just like their
 parents[\0x1a]never knowing

 On Windows XP, MSIE 7 displays a box, Firefox 3.1 display its unknown
 glyph 001A box, while Chrome just leaves out the apostrophe or dash.
 0x001A is ASCII Ctrl-Z so I'm not sure what's going on.  I couldn't find
 an encoding in Firefox where it worked.


 Also, near the end it says
please visit laptop.org.
 laptop.org is green (and so is the period/full stop), but it's not a
 hyperlink.  For grins, here's the HTML :-) :)

 please visit /fontfont color=#494949 face=Arial, Helvetica,
 sans-serif size=2font color=#54b948 face=Arial, Helvetica,
 sans-serif size=2laptop.org./font/font

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Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-12 Thread Samuel Klein
I hope there are gobby sessions for all events, and that they are more
brainstorming and writing than presentation and recording video.

SJ

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:07 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does this schedule seem reasonable to others?  (Esp. those I've
 pencilled in for talks?)  If you are going to be in town, made a 9.1
 proposal (or forgot to), and aren't listed above, let me know.

 There is a lot of interest about a talk on collaboration, Brendan
 offered to lead at least part of it. Perhaps we could make it a 2
 hours slot on the other days, similar to Walter/Christian.

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Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-12 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I hope there are gobby sessions for all events, and that they are more
 brainstorming and writing than presentation and recording video.

 No.  Wednesday talks are well-structured, compressed data, idea, open
 question and prototype dumps.

Ok.  I hope there are gobby sessions for all events,  well-structured
compressed data events as well as for brainstorming.

 Brainstorming is scheduled for Monday,
 Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

Lovely.

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ShoeBot (a free software DrawBot implementation) is out! Time to Sugarize some Ruby apps?

2008-11-09 Thread Samuel Klein
Shoebot, a free-software version of the awesome Mac program DrawBot
(which relies heavily Cocoa), is finished.  Thanks to David Crossland
who tipped me off to this.
   http://www.tinkerhouse.net/shoebot/
   http://tinkerhouse.net/shoebot/Docs/Screenshots

From its getting started page:



== Shoebot from the console ==

Shoebot parses scripts written in the Nodebox/Drawbot language and
creates image output from those instructions. Running Shoebot scripts
through the console is straightforward:sbot yourscript.bot -o
outputfile

You can specify the type of image through the output file extension:

* .svg (Scalable Vector Graphics)
* .ps (PostScript)
* .pdf (Portable Document Format)
* .png (Portable Network Graphics)

Shoebot will automagically generate the appropriate output from the
extension you specify.
For instance, to output the primitives.bot example to an SVG file, type:
   sbot /usr/share/shoebot/examples/primitives.bot -o test.svg

This is Shoebot's 'oneshot mode'. However, see also:
* WindowedMode
* Shoebot IDE
* Socketserver - control your scripts from external sources
* Python Module - run Shoebot from inside your Python scripts




It's written in Ruby, and shouldn't be so hard to sugarize... are
there any other fine Ruby programs that have jumped the XO?
A ruby emulator bundled with Hackety Hack lessons also seems like an
excellent idea.

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Re: New XO-LiveCD Version 8.2 available

2008-11-06 Thread Samuel Klein
Wolfgang -- thanks for the detailed docs!

This is super cool.  We should look for a group who could print a
large number of them for us to send out to student  other groups to
celebrate the relaunch of g1g1.

SJ

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Chris Marshall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A new version of the XO-LiveCD is available.

 You can download it from:

   ftp://rohrmoser-engineering.de/pub/XO-LiveCD/XO-LiveCD_081106.iso

 This release is based on the ext3 image of the stable 8.2 branch, build 767.
 The CD contains many activities, including all G1G1 activities.



 Great!  I look forward to trying it out.
 I've never been able to get a connection
 to this site.  Is it possible to mirror it to
 a (bzip2 compressed) copy on the wiki
 at laptop.org?

 --Chris
 Main features:

* latest stable version of the sugar desktop
* large and customizable collection of activities
* expandable language support, already included are German,
  French, and Spanish languages.

 This XO-LiveCD project targets the main goals:

* Give children, students, teachers and parents
  the opportunity to participate and use the
  educational software on a common PC.

* Demonstration of OLPC/Sugar software to non-developers, you can also
  start the sugar desktop on Windows, Linux or MacOS using a
  Virtual Machine.

* For developers the CD provides an easy maintainable Live-System,
  which could be used to develop and test activities on the sugar desktop.


 Further information is available in the PDF document:

ftp://rohrmoser-engineering.de/pub/XO-LiveCD/XO-LiveCD_081106.pdf

 For discussion we invite you to join the mailing list:

http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/livebackup-xo-cd


 Regards

   Wolfgang Rohrmoser

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Re: Panorama activity

2008-11-04 Thread Samuel Klein
this is still one of the cooler projects people have taken on!  Jeff
K, have you gotten to try it out?  Nirav, any thoughts of another
release?   Else you (or someone who wants to maintain it) should set
up hosting for the code...

SJ

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Nirav Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That sounds like a much better idea.  I'll try to set up something
 like that on my webserver, though I'll have to move elsewhere if the
 activity gains any kind of popularity.  It still leaves the problem of
 the images uploading to my personal Flickr account though.  I think
 having a Panorama Collection or Set on the OLPC Flickr account would
 be nice.

 Also, I uploaded the pre-alpha bundle: http://eclecti.cc/files/Panorama-1.xo

 Nirav

 On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Brian Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe one could set up a one-way upload script for this on dev (or
 some appropriate
 community-developed-web-services-server-of-the-future)? This script,
 then, could handle the uploading via flickr API securely.

 Regards
 Brian
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Re: Please unlock Activities/G1G1/8.2

2008-10-31 Thread Samuel Klein
Please update the [[Activities/Etoys (8.2)]] page if there are any 8.2
changes.  For other activity developers, make sure you have a valid
[[Activities/activityname (8.2)]] page; that is what will show up on the
g1g1 page.  The (latest) activity pages are now unlocked.

SJ

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:16 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  *bump*
 
  Can we do something about the still-locked pages? Since joyride is active
  again this part needs to be opened up too.
 
  E.g., the 8.2 page should be made to include Activities/Etoys_(8.2)
 instead
  of Activities/Etoys_(latest) so that we can get on with the work.

 SJ, can I punt this to you?
  --scott

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Re: Collection (.xol) glitches

2008-10-29 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:47 PM, S Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   and hitting start
  doesn't seem to do anything (other than triggering some disk I/O)

 That script had a bug, it doesn't specify a category.

 (Is there a general Sugar bug that if anything whatsoever goes wrong you
 get no feedback? !!)


More feedback would definitely be useful.   Also, if it is necessary to run
Log to see what is happening on yor system, it should be a more prominent
and actively maintianed activity.

This particular facet is partly a side effect of implementing dont bother
the user unless absolutely necessarywhich imo causes as much confusion as
it avoids.


 With that fix I was able to install a few of david's collection from the
 Web and USB.  But the Journal leaves the .xol file in
 /home/olpc/.sugar/default/data/ until it next installs something, and it
 has errors if I later try to erase the collection.  I didn't have these
 problems installing and erasing World culture v3; I'm not sure what
 the difference is.


sounds like another silent failure in the last step of the process. Canyou
post a but with specific bundles attached for reference?



 Could someone who knows please edit this wiki page and others like
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_a_collection for accuracy?  E.g.

 * Nothing except
 http://bantha.org/~kraken/olpc/bundler/makeLibraryInfo.htmlhttp://bantha.org/%7Ekraken/olpc/bundler/makeLibraryInfo.htmlseems
  to
 list acceptable subcategories.


subcats arent implemented atm, which is probably why.  I would like to have
categories and tags specifically marked for default visual grouping for all
bundles... maybe I'll put this into a metadata talk for xocamp.


 * Should the host_version be 2 these day?


host_version is still required to be 1 in various places.
re: the metadata discussion above, we need to define when thischanges,
andweshould at least updateit once every major release-or-api-change.




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Re: G1G1 v2 marketing: a LiveCD of 8.2.0

2008-10-22 Thread Samuel Klein
That would be a good thing to have.  I haven´t heard of plans yet, though
gregdek may have thoughts. see
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveCd#Current_efforts

Guysoft has been working on a debian-jhbuild livecd here :
http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/LiveCd
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sugar/liveimages/debian-jhbuild.iso

 SJ

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Chris Marshall
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Now that the 8.2.0 release is official, are there plans for
 a LiveCD of the same.  An ISO image bzip2 compressed
 for distribution would be a nice ad for the XO.
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Re: [sugar] 0.84/9.1 planning.

2008-10-14 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would also like to stop calling this 9.1 planning.  We need to plan

Sounds like it is time for a naming contest for this [repeating]
event.  Some that have been suggested / implied:
  OLPCSW [08.11.1]
  OLPC Miniconference [2]
  XOcamp [Cambridge 2008]


 ship that as 9.1.  And we'll keep going to qualify and ship more of it in
 9.2, and more in 10.1 (or is that 0.1??), etc.

+1(isn't that A.1 ?)

Other questions : should this be a full week, or closer to three days?
 How often is this sort of week-long meeting valuable to have?

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Re: [sugar] 0.84/9.1 planning.

2008-10-14 Thread Samuel Klein
Does it make sense to have an afternoon or a full day about long-term
plans and their implications for immediate priorities and tests?

Try to capture topics that could be specific agenda items with their
own session or conversation -- by creating a separate thread about it
on the list, a separate wiki page about it, or by adding a session to
the draft agenda.   (thread convergence : annotation v. creation)

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1#Agenda
SJ

Ed wrote:
  I just want to acknowledge that the *some* piece we can do now
 might not produce anything shippable in a 9.1 timeframe.

I'd like to see [in future cycles] a more explicit option to include
codepaths that are turned off (to make testing easier), or to suggest
for a testing sprint something that is unlikely to be 'ready to ship'
but does need the extra testing rigor for eventual completeness.


On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We need to figure out how to start work that takes more than 5 - 6 months
 NOW.  I'm concerned that if we start the 9.2 planning meeting after 9.1,
 we will (yet again) discover that there's no time to do anything that takes
 more than about 5 months.  We need to break that cycle and try to figure out
 how to get the *most important* work started right away, whether that work
 is deliverable in a 9.1 timeframe, a 9.2 timeframe, or longer.

 In the past we have divided tasks into next release and future
 release where the future really means never because we don't do
 *any* of the work in the next release timeframe.  That needs to
 stop.  *Everything* we want in a future release must have *some*
 piece we can do now, so that we continue to make progress on our
 long-term goals.

 Yes, I very much agree with this sentiment, so I don't think we disagree
 much on the overall goals but need to reach a bit more consensus on the
 implementation details.  I just want to acknowledge that the *some* piece
 we can do now might not produce anything shippable in a 9.1 timeframe.  Or
 perhaps it's something shippable but not usable, so we do ship something in
 9.1 that's really only a partial implementation so not many users need to
 know or care about it.  I'm OK with considering any approach that lets us
 start that kind of work soon.

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Re: [sugar] 0.84/9.1 planning.

2008-10-13 Thread Samuel Klein
Tomeu:
 Scott:
 I think more like:
  Nov 17-20: talks and hacking
  Nov 21: priorities meeting, wrapup.

 I'm not the planning committee, but this would be what I'd like to see.

 Works for me. Should we be concerned that talk (or aguing) might
 expand so much that there's little time to take actual decisions?
 Perhaps a strict schedule may help with this?

Yes - specific sessions with end times, for presentation and
brainstorming, as the start of future discussions.   We have other
good channels for lasting talk and arguing (like this one :)

Please suggest specific sessions or presentations you'd like to see or give:
  wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1#Proposed_talks


Marco:
 * It would be very beneficial to spend some time explaining SL
 mission and making plans on how to best decouple and integrate
 processes and infrastructure with OLPC. Perhaps Walter and I could
 give a talk about that and we would reserve a bit of time the last day
 to come up with actionable items about this aspect.

Definitely.  The first day will be given over in part to setting the
scope and expectations for the week; that would be a good time for an
initial talk about this (noting Tomeu's concern above, perhaps at the
end of the day, before dinner...).

It would also be very beneficial to spend a good bit of time at the
beginning reviewing feedback from our major deployments -- not only
peru and uruguay, which have their own full-fledged national programs
underway, but also the next tier of ten countries with thousands of
laptops in the field and specific needs, results, desires, amazements
and stumbling blocks.   I have posted a concept for an agenda on the
[[9.1]] page; please take a look, revise mercilessly, c -- in it I
left much of tuesday for this sort of feedback.

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Re: [sugar] Give a Laptop, Change the World : G1G1 2008

2008-10-08 Thread Samuel Klein
Not yet... if someone wants to make a pdf from that page, this would
rock.  Something to discuss on Friday.  As for window manager v.
learning platform... an updated [[Glossary]] isn't a bad idea.

SJ



On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 is there anything like a poster/flyer in high resolution PDF?

 p.

 Samuel Klein wrote:

 This year's G1G1 program will start November 17 in the US.  Please
 help us spread the word.  Below is a short email blurb about this
 year's program ( from [[G1G1 2008/text]] ).  We are coordinating some
 community art and outreach on the grassroots list as well
 (http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots).

 There will be a lunch outreach meeting about G1G1 in #olpc on
 irc.freenode.net this Friday at 1200 EST (and @ 1CC for those in the
 area); sign up if you think you can make it, or leave your thoughts
 about what we should cover / who we should contact / what we can do
 better this time around:
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_meetings

 For giving,
   SJ

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 One Laptop per Child is launching its second ''Give 1, Get 1'' [G1G1]
 program starting November 17, 2008, following last year's popular
 program which received donations from over 80,000 people.  This year
 the XO laptops will be shipped to donors through Amazon.com.

 The laptops feature the latest release of the Sugar window manager,
 running
 on a Linux-based Fedora Core operating system.  For answers to frequently
 asked questions, and for other XO giving programs, see the OLPC wiki.

  More on G1G1 2008:  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_2008
  More about the XO:  http://laptop.org/en/laptop/


 Photos, stories and other media from the first year's deployments are
 available from a community media page and from the OLPC photostream.
 If you have been involved with a deployment, please contribute your own.

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Give a Laptop, Change the World : G1G1 2008

2008-10-07 Thread Samuel Klein
This year's G1G1 program will start November 17 in the US.  Please
help us spread the word.  Below is a short email blurb about this
year's program ( from [[G1G1 2008/text]] ).  We are coordinating some
community art and outreach on the grassroots list as well
(http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots).

There will be a lunch outreach meeting about G1G1 in #olpc on
irc.freenode.net this Friday at 1200 EST (and @ 1CC for those in the
area); sign up if you think you can make it, or leave your thoughts
about what we should cover / who we should contact / what we can do
better this time around:
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_meetings

For giving,
   SJ

=

One Laptop per Child is launching its second ''Give 1, Get 1'' [G1G1]
program starting November 17, 2008, following last year's popular
program which received donations from over 80,000 people.  This year
the XO laptops will be shipped to donors through Amazon.com.

The laptops feature the latest release of the Sugar window manager, running
on a Linux-based Fedora Core operating system.  For answers to frequently
asked questions, and for other XO giving programs, see the OLPC wiki.

 More on G1G1 2008:  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_2008
 More about the XO:  http://laptop.org/en/laptop/


Photos, stories and other media from the first year's deployments are
available from a community media page and from the OLPC photostream.
If you have been involved with a deployment, please contribute your own.

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Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-06 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:20:04AM -0400, elana langer wrote:
 This is not a unique experience. This is a culture that lives close to
 the land. Action- reaction. No one is used to waiting for an
 computer to load or a bagel to toast for that matter. (of course
 cooking takes time but they can watch as it changes form not just an
 unmoving screen)

 In the city the experience is worse. Kids used to PCs quickly grow
 impatient and leave the XO to find other faster computers.

 I think this is very interesting, as I have often heard nearly the
 opposite argument--- that because the XO is often a child's first
 computer their standards for its responsiveness will be as low as we'd
 like them to be.

This is not a compelling argument.
And we'd *like* their standards for responsiveness to be quite high.



 In my mind the fundamental problem is that users aren't required to
 fully qualify names for their work.

That's part of it.  Within the current paradigm, if one had to produce
fully qualified file and project names, and were reminded of this and
encouraged to do it at appropriate times in activity engagement, it
would make [re]discovery much easier.


 Thank you very much for your feedback and hard work!

Ditto.

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Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-03 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:49 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There's no cost to OLPC to have Quanta ship the
 manufacturing data with the disable-security bits set.

If this is true, I'd like to see us ship g1g1 laptops with security disabled.

The one persuasive argument I have seen for /not/ doing this is that
there might be increased support costs.  As Ian mentions, and from my
own limited exposure to people requesting support, having security
turned on leads to greater support costs than having it off would.

The only people who see any support costs one way or another are the
fairly technical people who know what it means to try to update their
system.

--SJ

 You're
 ready, willing, and able to ship such laptops to any country that
 orders them that way.  Why shouldn't G1G1 users be testing *that*
 configuration?

 If G1G1 was aimed at fully debugging the configuration for your
 largest deployments, you'd be shipping them with Spanish keyboards and
 Spanish-language messages (and with school server install CDs).

 Michael:
 P.S. - As others have suggested, please do not assume that any
 individual on this list speaks for everyone else involved; in almost all
 cases, they speak only for themselves (but for their clique with
 whatever measure of authority they happen to hold).

 I assume the reason we're having this discussion is because the silent
 decider, whoever that is, decided (or defaulted) to jail the upcoming
 G1G1 laptops.  If not, they could end it rather quickly by merely
 announcing that our concern was merely a problem of communication.

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Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-02 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 12:07:51AM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote:
 With that said, I would probably lean towards preferring unsecured
 machines (with pretty boot enabled, of course).


 Such small hassles, when repeated across hundreds of thousands of
 people, tend to eat up a lot of time.  We should be trying to save users
 this time.

As I said in June, afaic G1G1 machines should all be sent out with
developer keys.

http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/security/2008-June/000426.html

Kim made two related points:

 1 - Assuming we get to the point where upgrading is an easy click
 from the G1G1 machine, then we want to be sure that people don't
 mistakenly load non-signed images. If you are not a developer;
 doesn't this add a level of protection that we want for 90% of G1G1
 recipients?

I don't think this is the sort of security people need -- again, those
90% aren't going to be trying updates in the first place. If we want
to add a required --security=off flag to the olpc-update command to
indicate that you recognize you are installing an unsecured build,
that's fine.


 2 - I believe our support issues will go up significantly as people
 who have little or no experience are encouraged to download all
 sorts of untested builds with no easy way to get back to a
 working system.
 To feel better about the support issues, I would like the one-button
 push that restores a laptop to factory default.

I don't know about the former; the latter is a great idea.

These feel to me like useful things to address for 8.2.1, though not
for the initial g1g1 images.

SJ


 We'll save everyone who wants to install non-standard builds the time
 required to learn about and obtain developer keys.  We'll save the
 support costs required to process and answer all the queries about
 developer keys.  And we'll reduce the infrastructural costs of managing
 the generation of the keys.

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Re: New joyride build 2497

2008-09-29 Thread Samuel Klein
A changelog quirk.  the next joyride should have 1-30.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2497

 Changes in build 2497 from build: 2495

 Size delta: 0.00M

 -olpc-library-common 1-29
 +olpc-library-common 1-21

 any reason for the large version drop?

 --- Changes for olpc-library-common 1-21 from 1-29 ---
  + updated common to include wiki searchbar and devkey/release-notes links
  + removing core from /usr/share, moving to customization key
  + separated the two searchbars visually and with icons
  + made the laptop search more useful (all of laptop.org)

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Re: New joyride build 2497

2008-09-29 Thread Samuel Klein
(I got a changelog warning when it wasn't picked up but didn't see it
right away.) SJ

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A changelog quirk.  the next joyride should have 1-30.

 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2497

 Changes in build 2497 from build: 2495

 Size delta: 0.00M

 -olpc-library-common 1-29
 +olpc-library-common 1-21

 any reason for the large version drop?

 --- Changes for olpc-library-common 1-21 from 1-29 ---
  + updated common to include wiki searchbar and devkey/release-notes links
  + removing core from /usr/share, moving to customization key
  + separated the two searchbars visually and with icons
  + made the laptop search more useful (all of laptop.org)

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Re: [sugar] Another pass through some basic Activity test results

2008-09-25 Thread Samuel Klein
Testing gg-763-1 earlier today, running a number of activities for an
hour. I later found that I could not restart or reboot via sugar; it
would let me select the option from the right menu, but then a
gray-circle  process appeared in the top frame and nothing would
happen.  If I quit that process and tried again, the same result.  I
haven't been able to reproduce on systems that haven't been using
activities for a while.

SJ

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems that mangling occurred; however, I repaired it and have
 temporarily published the results here:

   http://teach.laptop.org/~mstone/gary.txt

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Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-19 Thread Samuel Klein
I wouldn't include Bridge yet.  It's great, but not complete.   I would include:

WikiBrowse
PlayGo
Frotz
Clock
GCompris Chess
GCompris Sudoku
XaoS
Moon
StarChart
ePals

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I vote very strongly for Ruler. It's less than 20kb non-compressed!  It's
 too small *not* to include.

 Top Ten:

 1.) Ruler
 2.) Moon
 3.) StarChart
 4.) Bridge
 5.) XaoS
 6.) Frotz
 7.) WikiBrowse Spanish
 8.) Words
 9.) Tumbleboy
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Re: Peru and Microsoft announcement

2008-09-16 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi Pia,

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Pia Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 quote who=Edward Cherlin
 This would be even more useful as the basis for an article or
 editorial in one or more of the computer magazines or Web sites, or a
 fact-filled press release. All of the media people I have talked with
 say they would like to hear from OLPC.

 We don't have to frame it as us vs. them. We can just announce the
 state of current deployments, and discuss plans for future deployments
 and G1G1, including whatever can be said in public about the Microsoft
 trials. Everybody wants to know what's up with the Amazon deal, too.

We could have a formulaic please check out our latest public
announcements email, and a list that media orgs can sign up to to
receive regular pointers to longer announcements.  Something between
the sporadic Press Release and the detailed weekly community-news
blurbs.


 I believe there is an internal newsletter, why doesn't OLPC have a monthly
 public news feed that is on the main website that talks about stuff
 happening which would give the world (and community trying to support OLPC)
 the information we all need :) The amount of times I've had people both from
 the FOSS community and the general community ask me what is going on is
 crazy, and damaging. And I'm not even on the inside, I'm just involved with
 some regional projects!

As mentioned elsewhere, we have a community-news list
(http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/community-news),  but it only goes
out to some 2000 people.  It might be valuable to have a list for
shorter, more specific announcements that includes a regular link to
the community-news archive, and any major essays or press pieces,
which we can broadcast to a much larger audience.

 If it is any help, Im sure there are many people in the community who would
 be happy to help (including me) with something like this, with keeping the
 general public and community informed in a more public fashion. There is
 generally a lot of good will towards the project around the world but real
 and positive public information is key to maintaining that good will.

This is a good point.  For instance, it would be useful to post and
wikify the community-news archives on the wiki (this would both give
them much higher google rank and help highlight red-links for a number
of efforts, deployments, or concepts that deserve public descriptions
but don't have their own page yet on our wiki).

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Re: Videochat - any status?

2008-09-10 Thread Samuel Klein
Pia,

Alex looked into this in July, I don't think much has been done with
the original videochat code since the last git commit:

http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/video-chat-activity;a=summary

SJ

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:21 AM, Pia Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 I have a great need for the video chat application to use for remote speech
 pathology and other services to remote communities through chat. Does anyone
 know the status of this project:

  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Video_Chat

 It looks like nothing has happened with it for several months. If there is
 anyone leading this, could they post a status of the project?

 Cheers,
 Pia

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Re: Help activity content

2008-09-08 Thread Samuel Klein
There's a bundle posted at [[Help (activity)]] you can test, but it
doesn't have the latest bits.  Seth may have an update - there was a
lot of activity over the weekend.  SJ

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 the deadline for the Help activity content was yesterday.

 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7526#comment:9

 Is it available? If not, what should we do?

 Marco

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wireless lights on the XO : what should they do?

2008-09-06 Thread Samuel Klein
So we can control what the 'wireless' lights on the XO display / what
causes them to turn on and off.

I'd like wireless lights to indicate the volume of outgoing and
incoming wireless traffic (frequency), whether one is connected to
anything other than a local mesh (pattern within a given frequency),
and the proximity of Bono (flicker/stutter/'electrical fainting'
within a given pattern).

What would YOU like to see those lights do?

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Re: [Techteam] Weekend Report - due today

2008-09-03 Thread Samuel Klein
@bastien -- Java works fine on the XO; you should try it with specific apps.

@ Gary -- Model is very close to a new release; nudge Bobby about it :-)

SJ

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 3 Sep 2008, at 13:36, Greg Smith wrote:

  Cmap tools (http://cmap.ihmc.us/) is a client server application that
  appears to have pretty good traction in schools, mostly in South
  America. We have a request to make it work on the XO. I exchanged some
  e-mails with Alberto Canas (con enye) who is the main application
  owner.

 ...

  The first point seems solvable if they just install Java afterwards.
  Then we don't need to worry about licenses. Its a big install but
  probably not a deal breaker. The performance may be challenging but
  again I think we can make it fit.
 
  The second point is a tougher problem. Alberto thinks they could
  re-write the application to work with tiled windows so they all fit on
  the XO. The other idea I have heard is that we could run an activity
  which is X-Windows. Then you could launch this activity within that
  one.
  That may affect performance and would need testing. For the first idea
  of rebuilding the Cmap tools for sugar, we would need engineers to
  work
  on that which brings me to the third point.
 
  I'm not sure what free but not open source means. I think it means
  that
  we can not take a snapshot of their code and fork it nor can we modify
  it and push it back to them. We need to find a way for Alberto to hire
  more engineers if we want them to improve the implementation for the
  XO.
 
  The only good idea so far is the X-windows in Sugar idea.
 
  I'm open to other suggestions on this. Questions and comments
  welcome too.
 
  I know of one opportunity in Latin America which is being held up by
  this. There may be more in the future, we'll see. The pedagogical
  specialists here tell me that concept maps are pretty hot in education
  right now. They also pointed me to a commercial tool which some
  schools
  use: http://www.inspirationsoftware.com/
 
  Does anyone know of an open source solution in this area?

 I'm a bit of a mindmapper/diagrammer type. If you're looking for free
 and Open Source you want to look at freemind. It's very competitive vs
 the commercial mapping tools and also supports a number of external
 file formats, it's another Java app so would need that extra install.

http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

 The other tool worth a poke is the more general purpose graphviz, also
 free and Open Source, it's command line but there are some GUI's out
 there also. Could be a very nice Activity to wrap a simple GTK GUI
 around the tool chain:

http://www.graphviz.org/

 Also want to point you to the Model activity if you've not tried it.
 It's rough and incomplete at my last testing, but seems to be a
 potentially interesting diagramming tool. The wiki talks of easily
 sketch and simulate system dynamics models which seemed a pretty
 scary opening paragraph – I'd be happy with just a good diagramming
 tool :-) Dev work seems to have gone quiet :-(

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Model

  If the customers want cmap tools, my first choice is to make that
  work.
  That's what I'm focusing on right now albeit lower priority than
  shipping 8.2 :-).

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Re: updating OLPC_{Region} pages, with a payoff

2008-08-23 Thread Samuel Klein
I definitely like the idea of a G1G1 deployment page.SJ

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:48 PM, S Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Summary: people who know about deployments, please update the pages in
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Deployments

 (Is there's a better e-mail list for deployments?)

 I added deployment data and a timeline of deliveries to Gregs's status
 in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments .  It's interesting and
 motivating IMO.

 It queries deployment pages (using Francesca/femslade's work) for the
 info.  So if you know more about a deployment, please update its
 OLPC_{Region} page using its [edit] or [edit with form] tab, or you can
 privately e-mail me the info and I'll do it.

 Should there be an OLPC_G1G1 page for the G1G1 deployment?

 Cheers,
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Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar (kid contributions)

2008-07-31 Thread Samuel Klein
Great idea...  Robson had a similar one.   SJ

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  you can't just share a file, you have to share an activity, ...

 Right.

 Idea for a new activity: Candy Bag.  You open a bag (i.e. you launch the
 CandyBag activity), then you put journal entries in it, then sharing
 this activity means that your friends can grab a candy in your bag.

  If we want the kids who *love* their machines to come to *know* and
  *evolve* their machines, there's a lot more work to be done.

 Let's not lose the focus of making the *teachers* love the machines.
 And let's don't see children as small hackus homunculus!  :)

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Re: [Server-devel] Testing EduBlog

2008-07-31 Thread Samuel Klein
Yes, a slideshow would be good. (with a link to a demo for anyone who wants
to test on their own :-)

SJ

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Tarun Pondicherry 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi SJ,

 I'll put it up on the wiki.  The live version is still a bit volatile, is a
 video or slideshow okay?  Otherwise, I'll transfer the latest stable to the
 main site for you to give a live demo.

 Thanks,
 Tarun

 Samuel Klein wrote:

 I'd like to show off the state of the edublog this Friday over lunch --
 Tarun, is there a short 3-minute demo that you'd like me to give?

 SJ

 On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Pablo,

Looks good! Thanks for helping us clarify the final steps before
Beta and for lining up the beta sites!

I copied in the server list and I'll let Tarun comment on any that
he can address.

My only comment is that I would like to make it work without login
needed by students but we can solve that later if its not ready in
the first pass.

Also for Tarun et al. Pablo is creating a home page with doc on
EduBlog for the beta: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog

If we can easily update browse-new (maybe browse-new2?) to use
that as its home page it will facilitate making this easy.

Thanks,

Greg S

Pablo Flores wrote:

I've just done a test sequence on EduBlog and have a lot of
comments and
questions, so let's start step by step...

*Creating a new blog
*

  - The login page isn't in spanish
  - I'm not sure how to manage users with EduBlog I think
we should
  start a wiki page to start documenting (and discussing it).
Volunteers? :-)
  - In the Adding a new OU blog form, I can't access the
Manage Remote
  Blogs button, it takes me to a page that says Sorry, but
you do not
  currently have permissions to do that
([[oublog:manageremoteblogs]]) More
  information about this
errorhttp://docs.moodle.org/en/error/moodle/nopermissions.
  *
  - It would be better if some options could be hidden, like
Common module

  settings.

*New blog post*

  - From the moodle interface, I couldn't upload any picture.
I could use
  the other interface (

 http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/editpost.php?blog=2
 ),
  but with this one I cannot select the blog to post to. *
  - I tried to upload a Write document, but I couldn't from
any of the
  interfaces (am I doing right? I tried to upload the file as
an image).

I marked with * the points I find more important.

I also would like to summarize some points of how the daily
work would be.
Let's see...

  - First of all, the teacher will have to get a user and
password for the
  system.
  - The teacher creates a new blog using the interface

 http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=2section=0return=0

 http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=2section=0return=0
 
  - All of her children have to get a user and password.
  - Then, the teacher can propose some work to be done, for
which children
  will have to make their posts to the blog. To do so,
children will have to
  access to the blog page (the moodle one), and click on New
blog post.
  - As children submit their posts, the teacher will be able
to see them in
  the blog page. Children will only see their own posts and
the ones already
  approved by the teacher. Question: How can a child know if
his post was
  approved?
  - The approved posts will go public, depending on the
configuration: If
  there is a remote blog configured (blogspot for instance),
they will appear
  there. If it's local only, it will be seen by others,
depending on the
  visibility configuration of the blog.

All agree with this?

Saludos,
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Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-31 Thread Samuel Klein
+1

There are some activities clustered together here from the list of git
projects:
http://dev.laptop.org/~sj/git-list.txt

SJ

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Any follow-up on the idea of having a precise list of maintainers for
 all Sugar activities?  Even just the email address from the git repo
 would be nice.

 Thanks!

 Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  What I find interesting is that as well areas where contributions are
  quite easy to do (Activities) have really stagnated. At the moment we
  lack maintainers for most of them. Browse, Pippy, Chat, Terminal and
  Etoys are well covered because they are maintained by core people.

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Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-16 Thread Samuel Klein
 Basically, there are two separate problems here,  and we should not
  be solving them together. One is that the latest release may not be
 the greatest - because of bugfix releases. I agree with Eben's proposal
 of minor version numbers as a (totally optional) solution; as long as
 the minor/major separator is not a decimal separator (that is, [.,]), the

 meaning is pretty self-evident. (I think that : is the best candidate, by

 analogy with times and bible verses.)
 This is actually my primary concern.

Ditto.  I'm strongly in favor of supporting minor versions for this -- the
notion of monotonically increasing 'version' is fundamentally misleading.
Major.minor is less broken.

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


 On the contrary, you are missing mine.  I don't *want* this in the bundle.
  I want this to be a sentence that can be stated, at some point following
 the release of 9.1, by a wiki page, the release notes, a tech support
 person, a friend, or the developer herself.  Nothing more.  No technical
 magic here.


+1

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Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-16 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Version (activity_version) is just some sortable entity to be agreed

  In other words, let us do the same thing that rpm and dpkg do.

 It gives you both more expressive power, and a stupid 1.1.0.9z is
 older than 2.0-alpha cmp function for whenever you need it.


Right on.SJ.
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