Re: XO 1.5 Solder Reflow in Toaster Oven

[Samuel Klein]

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Anna  wrote:

> A couple of hours ago, I baked the second XO 1.5 motherboard and yep, it
> booted after that.  I took tons of pictures this time.  I'll post a writeup
> with the pictures in the next few days.  At this point I feel like Julia
> Child.  If Julia Child put circuit boards in her oven.

Sounds delicious.  Now we can all chip in and get you a new toaster ;-)

I can't wait to see the pictures...  If you get some other boards to
play with, [now that you seem to have dedicated your toaster to the
cause] you could try other variations on heating as well, [including
disassembly/reassambly without heat] assuming what's being fixed here
doesn't necessarily involve reflow.


> And no, this is definitely not for the "typical" user, but hey, on Friday I
> had two dead XO 1.5's and now on Sunday evening I've got two working units.
> No idea on the longevity of this fix, but OLPC is all about experimentation,
> right?

Right!

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Re: Patch to speed up hover menus

[Samuel Klein]

Thanks.

self._popup_anim = animator.Animator(0.0, 10)
self._popdown_anim = animator.Animator(0.6, 10)
self._secondary_anim = animator.Animator(1.0, 10)

seems to work for me also.  I'd love to see that considered for 11.3 .

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Frederick Grose  wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Samuel Klein  wrote:
>>
>> Testing out 11.2 - in general, it is just great :-)
>>
>> I recall a lovely patch that sped up hover menu response significantly
>> -- is that being considered for inclusion in a future release?
>>
>> That's the UI issue I would most enjoy seeing resolved.
>>
>> SJ
>
> The simple recalibration reported here worked for me:
> https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2367
>
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Patch to speed up hover menus

[Samuel Klein]

Testing out 11.2 - in general, it is just great :-)

I recall a lovely patch that sped up hover menu response significantly
-- is that being considered for inclusion in a future release?

That's the UI issue I would most enjoy seeing resolved.

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Re: Wiki's Google custom search fails.

[Samuel Klein]

This should be fixed - Google changed their implementation of custom
search recently.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/customsearch/thread?tid=719daab36a49445c&hl=en

Let me know if you have any problems with the updated search.

SJ


On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:
> Hi Yioryos,  Thanks for the report.   I'm looking into it.  SJ
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis
>  wrote:
>> The Google custom search in the wiki.laptop.org pages fails with this 
>> message from Google:
>>
>> "We're sorry...
>>
>> ... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To 
>> protect our users, we can't process your request right now.
>>
>> See Google Help for more information."
>>
>> Couldn't find any wiki-specific list, thus the (possible) "noise".
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Re: Wiki's Google custom search fails.

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Hi Yioryos,  Thanks for the report.   I'm looking into it.  SJ

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis
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> from Google:
>
> "We're sorry...
>
> ... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect 
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>
> See Google Help for more information."
>
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Air Jaldi wifi and summits

[Samuel Klein]

Air Jaldi seems to maintain one of the larger rural wifi neworks, in
the Indian mountains.

Has anyone heard of people who have attended one of their summits?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirJaldi
http://drupal.airjaldi.com/node/86

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Re: [Testing] Fwd: 11.2.0 Test cases

[Samuel Klein]

Creating new test cases seems like the right way to go.  The old ones can
probably be removed now, since they aren't being used to test those old
builds anymore.

SJ

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Holt  wrote:

>  Help Sam I Am :)
> (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing alums and beyond!)
>
>
>   Subject: 11.2.0 Test cases  Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:17:39 -0500  From:
> Samuel GreenfeldTo: OLPC
> Devel  
> I am starting work on a set of test cases to use for the Fedora 14 x86
> (XO-1.0 & 1.5) 11.2.0 build.
>
> Currently I am drafting a list of generic test scenarios we may wish to
> consider testing.  That list is at
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases/11.2 .  Feel free to make suggestions
> for additional things to test.
>
> I also will be working on revamping, updating, and adding test cases to
> better test the OLPC builds.  I'm not certain how to do this within the old
> Wiki markup structure though without potentially breaking records (since the
> test cases are stale, and newer builds often have different expected
> behaviors), so I may end up creating a new set of them in the OLPC Wiki.
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Re: Ubuntu on XO-1.5

[Samuel Klein]

I have not!  I love puppy linux.  I remember a group really wanted to
be the underlying OS on the XO at the start of the project...

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:14 AM, David Farning  wrote:
> Have you seen the recent work happening in puppy linux for the XO?
> Puppy is largely derived from Ubuntu. (last time I checked)
>
> david
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:24 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
>> Announcing XO-1.5 Ubuntu desktop and minimal builds, based on 10.04
>> "lucid" and the "maverick" testing suite that should lead to 10.10.
>>
>> The desktop build is GNOME based, is 284 MB compressed, 814 MB
>> installed, and is built on a 2 GB partition size.
>>
>> The minimal build avoids X and contains only text virtual consoles, is
>> 138 MB compressed, 258 MB installed, and is built on a 512 MB
>> partition size.
>>
>> The .zd files can be installed using fs-update on an unsecured XO-1.5
>> with an internal SD size of 2 GB or more.
>>
>> Download from:
>> http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/uxo/2010-09-02/
>>
>> These use the OLPC kernel as is, from our build os852 for 10.1.2.
>>
>> Please do not log bugs.  Patches only, thanks.
>>
>> Known problems:
>>
>> - no power management, the olpc-powerd package is not yet installed,
>>
>> - "no notifications" either side of date in GNOME panel, probably some
>>  package is missing,
>>
>> git://dev.laptop.org/users/quozl/uxo is my repository of scripts that
>> construct these builds.  Thanks to Andres Salomon for the ideas in
>> debxo that have been copied.
>>
>> --
>> James Cameron
>> http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>
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Re: [support-gang] Book sprint to update the help activity?

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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Christoph Derndorfer
 wrote:
> Am 03.08.2010 18:48, schrieb Christoph Derndorfer:
>> Am 02.08.2010 22:28, schrieb James Cameron:
>>> On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 10:10:42PM -0400, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
 Where would one find it for download? I was looking at the Help activity
 on aslo (http://activities.sugarlabs.org/de/sugar/addon/4051), as well
 as the one on w.l.o (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_%28Activity%29) and
 talking to David Farning earlier today and didn't find any information
 about Sugar 0.84 info being included...
>>>
>>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/10.1.2 points at
>>> http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/help-activity/Help-11.xo
>>
>> Thanks for the links. However maybe I'm missing something here because
>> at least in the sections I've looked in I can't find any references to
>> the changes made in Sugar 0.84 as oppposed to Sugar 0.82
>> (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Notes#What_is_new_for_users).
>
> Any thoughts on this? Can somebody confirm that Help-11.xo has indeed
> been updated to include all the changes implemented in Sugar 0.84?
>
> Thanks,
> Christoph

Moving this to the devel lists.  I think there's still work to be done
on Help.  A sprint for that might only take a few hours, perhaps in
combination with one for 0.88?  SJ
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Re: [IAEP] Redesigning: Library, Read, Get-Books, and Content bundles

[Samuel Klein]

Daniel,

I like the ideas you posted there.  I left some specific comments:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Features/Content_support

Reuben:
>> -Allow one to synchronously or asynchronously share
>> a book to their
>> Neighborhood so anyone can download and read it.

I don't know how synchronous would work - but that sounds like a
feature for bookreaders.

Asynchronously, there are regular requests for both a "share [file]
with [target]" feature
   http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8171

and a way to share public Journal items constantly while online; as
comes up in both "global shared datastore" and "share files over the
mesh" discussions.
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3431


SJ

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Daniel Drake  wrote:
> On 20 July 2010 12:33, Reuben K. Caron  wrote:
>> So what if we created a "Library Activity"
>> The activity would:
>> -Open a book from within the activity
>> -Highlight and annotate books
>> -List all of the books you have downloaded
>> -Allow you to search and download additional books from Feed Books,
>> Internet Archive, the XS, etc..
>> -List the resources in /home/olpc/Library (so this can be removed from
>> Browse)
>> -Allow one to synchronously or asynchronously share a book to their
>> Neighborhood so anyone can download and read it.
>
> I'd argue that some of this is duplication of functionality that
> belongs (or already is) in the Journal and the Read activity, having
> such a design might kill some UI complications but add others.
>
> Parts of your concerns could be addressed with some ideas I wrote here:
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Content_support#Accessing_content_from_home_screen
>
> I agree that this definitely merits further design/discussion.
>
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Re: [IAEP] devel announce list; publicizing major software & firmware updates

[Samuel Klein]

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Walter Bender  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:
>>
>> I also want to remind people of the Latest Releases infobox on the
>> wiki homepage.  Please update this information if you publish a new
>> stable release for any platform, or a new firmware release.  Wiki
>> admins can edit that information by following the "+/-" link in the
>> lower right-hand corner.
>>  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Latest_Releases
>
> IMHO, someone at OLPC should be the one updating the infobox on the
> OLPC wiki as it implies a degree of support from OLPC that the
> community cannot presume.

When releases are made, the actual release processes I know of involve
updates to a mailing list; the wiki simply reflects the latest updates
that have been announced.  Anyone following that release process can
update the appropriate page (or, if they are not a wiki admin, ask an
admin to do it).

I would love to see a similar brief summary of the latest stable raw
sugar and soas releases (stable and dev) as well - preferably on both
the olpc-wiki and the sl-wiki.

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devel announce list; publicizing major software & firmware updates

[Samuel Klein]

We have a devel-announce list that hasn't been much used.  We also
have many people who are interested in getting news about any major
release or security update, but don't have time to read all of the
traffic that goes to devel.

Reuben, Paul and I were discussing this earlier today; I would be
happy to see more people using devel-announce to publicize major
updates.  As there is some demand for this kind of low-traffic list,
if you are interested in that information, please sign up.
  http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel-announce

I also want to remind people of the Latest Releases infobox on the
wiki homepage.  Please update this information if you publish a new
stable release for any platform, or a new firmware release.  Wiki
admins can edit that information by following the "+/-" link in the
lower right-hand corner.
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Latest_Releases

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Re: XO-1.5 HS version announced

[Samuel Klein]

Do you have any photos of the new design or keyboard?  SJ

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:41 AM, John Watlington  wrote:
>
> As usual, by a random news outlet:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10309116.stm
>
> These laptops are the XO-1.5 motherboard, but with a non-membrane
> keyboard.  Thanks to Walter Bender for the layout, visible at:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Spanish_Non-membrane_Keyboard
>
> The exciting news, for those who have been working with the
> traditional XO, is that we've redesigned the lower half to make
> the keyboard easy to remove for repair.   We will phase this in
> across all XO laptops as tooling allows.
>
> The color scheme of the HS laptops will be dark/light blue.
>
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Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

[Samuel Klein]

For reference, please point people to our blog post on the subject,
which offers some context and clarifies the various soundbytes that
are being tossed around (which get confused about models and
timelines).

http://blog.laptop.org/2010/05/27/xo3-marvell-and-olpc/

(Ed, feel free to correct anything in that post with the wrong overtones.)

Cheers,
SJ


On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Ed McNierney  wrote:
> Folks -
>
> Below is the text version of the press release OLPC and Marvell issued this 
> morning, announcing our agreement to work together on the tablet-based 
> efforts we've been calling "XO-3.0" and Marvell has been calling "Moby" (both 
> previously announced).  The link takes you to the same document with a few 
> pictures.
>
> We're just starting this cooperation, so there are things we don't know yet, 
> but the release pretty well covers what we do know.  I think it's important 
> to recognize that our goal with Marvell is to work with them to make a family 
> of tablet products possible, not all of which will be "OLPC" products.  
> That's something new, and potentially confusing, but we think it can really 
> help us both broaden the community working with us, and help drive our own 
> product costs down by increasing volumes.
>
> In some of the press interviews around this release, there's discussion of 
> the goal of introducing something at CES 2011 (in January).  That's important 
> to Marvell, but that device will certainly not be an "XO-3.0" and probably 
> won't be an OLPC product at all.  But it's one of the steps along the way.  
> Remember that this cooperation is intended to help our goals as well as 
> Marvell's goals, so some of the things announced from the partnership won't 
> be things directly pertinent to OLPC's product plans.
>
> As we've previously announced, our XO-1.75 product, bringing a Marvell 
> ARM-based motherboard to the current XO-1 laptop platform, is the next 
> product release in our efforts to provide ARM-based, lower-power devices to 
> achieve our mission.
>
>        - Ed
>
> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/one-laptop-per-child-and-marvell-join-forces-to-redefine-tablet-computing-for-students-around-the-world-95007559.html
>
> One Laptop per Child and Marvell Join Students Around the World
>
> Marvell and OLPC Empower Education Industry to Revolutionize the Classroom 
> Experience through Advanced, Affordably-Priced Tablets
>
> CAMBRIDGE, Mass. and SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- 
> One Laptop per Child (OLPC), a global organization whose mission is to help 
> provide every child in the world access to a modern education, and Marvell, a 
> worldwide leader in integrated silicon solutions, have agreed to jointly 
> develop a family of next-generation OLPC XO tablet computers based on the 
> Marvell® Moby reference design.  This new partnership will provide designs 
> and technologies to enable a range of new educational tablets, delivered by 
> OLPC and other education industry leaders, aimed at schools in both the U.S. 
> and developing markets. Marvell is also announcing today it has launched 
> Mobylize, a campaign aimed at improving technology adoption in America's 
> classrooms.
>
> The new family of XO tablets will incorporate elements and new capabilities 
> based on feedback from the nearly 2 million children and families around the 
> world who use the current XO laptop.  The XO tablet, for example, will 
> require approximately one watt of power to operate (compared to about 5 watts 
> necessary for the current XO laptop).  The XO tablet will also feature a 
> multi-lingual soft keyboard with touch feedback, enabling it to serve 
> millions more children who speak virtually any language anywhere in the world.
>
> The device is also decidedly "constructionist" in nature.  By design, it 
> combines hardware and software to deliver a platform that will enable 
> educators, students and families around the world to create their own 
> content, and learn to read, write, and create their own education programs 
> and share all of these experiences via a mesh network model.  The device will 
> also feature an application to directly access more than 2 million free books 
> available across the Internet.
>
> "While devices like eReaders and current tablets are terrific literary, media 
> and entertainment platforms, they don't meet the needs of an educational 
> model based on making things, versus just consuming them.  Today's learning 
> environments require robust platforms for computation, content creation and 
> experimentation – and all that at a very low cost," said Dr. Nicholas 
> Negroponte, Founder and Chairman of One Laptop per Child.  "Through our 
> partnership with Marvell, OLPC will continue our focus on designing computers 
> that enable children in the developing world to learn through collaboration, 
> as well as providing connectivity to the world's body of knowledge."
>
> "Marvell has made a long-term co

Re: need OLPC contact

[Samuel Klein]

Sarah, thank you.

So you suggest including WeSay in our Gnome builds - that's an
interesting idea, and something that Yama mentioned a year ago...
certainly suitable for the OLPC devel list.  That's also the place to
discuss Mono in general,  necessary if this were to become a
widespread effort.
  http://wesay.org/wiki/Getting_Mono_on_OLPC

Do you work with developers who could help make a Sugar activity out
of wesay as well?  It would be nice to offer it as a download to the
>1 million students currently using an XO-1, who don't have a Gnome
desktop option:

SJ
who just joined the wesay group.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Sarah Ogilvie  wrote:
> Hi SJ,
>
> Glad you like the idea. There are various dictionary-making tools, but I
> think that 'Wesay' would be the best option for your Fedora 11/Gnome and
> Sugar desktops:
>
> http://wesay.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> Best,
> Sarah
>
> On Apr 5 2010, Samuel Klein wrote:
>
>> Kevin and Sarah, lovely to meet you, an awesome idea.   What tool
>> would you recommend?  We could add it to our Fedora 11/Gnome desktop,
>> or better yet to our Sugar desktop as an activity
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_bundles
>>
>> SJ
>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks Henry. Mako, my friend Sarah Ogilvie has something that would
>>> add a lot of value to the OLPC, I think, extending its immediate
>>> useful value to new groups, and do a lot of good at the same time.
>>> ccing Sarah here.
>>> Here is what Sarah said about her project:
>>> My idea is to put simple dictionary-making software on the OLPC XO
>>> laptops, so that speakers of endangered languages can document their
>>> languages. We are living in an era in which an average of one
>>>
>>> language disappears every two weeks, and my project at the
>>> University of Cambridge (Endangered Languages and Dictionaries)
>>> looks at how we can write innovative dictionaries that are
>>> collaborative, community-focussed, and help facilitate language
>>> preservation and revitalization.
>>> http://www.lucy-cav.cam.ac.uk/pages/the-college/people/sarah-ogilvie/elad1.php
>>>
>>> There are various options for simple software which are perfectly
>>> suited to the XO laptops, and I would be happy to discuss the issue
>>> further. This could be another important extension of the OLPC
>>> project and its vision to use technology as a means of bringing
>>> freedom and empowerment to children. I would be delighted to help in
>>> any way.
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Updating "latest releases" info on the OLPC wiki

[Samuel Klein]

Please update the 'Latest releases' sidebar on the main page of the
OLPC wiki.  I've added separate 1.0 and 1.5 sections; please fix or
update the links where appropriate (and keep the 1.5 versions up to
date).

To update the template, follow the "+/-" link in the lower-right
corner.  That's the template page itself; confirmed editors can leave
a comment on its talk page or edit it directly.

SJ

PS - there are some awesome new Spanish-language software how-tos
coming out of Nicaragua (thanks to dsd and the fine folks at
200.30.165.130), including how to upgrade and run xs builds.  Those of
you who work in Spanish might also check those to help check their
work.
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Zamora_Teran
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Re: Android, OLPC, and native hosting

[Samuel Klein]

NoiseEHC, I think your arguments would be more convincing if you
didn't respond to every email, especially when you'd made that point
before in the same thread :-)


On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:40 AM, NoiseEHC  wrote:

>> The software is designed for learning. *That* is what Sugar was created for, 
>> which is not at all what Android was created for, as you claimed when 
>> starting this discussion.
>>
>
> Another Straw Man argument. What I said was "Android OS solves exactly
> the same *problems* Sugar has been created to solve". You know while you
> have noticed correctly that Android was created to be a phone OS and
> Sugar was created to be a learning OS (not too that hard to notice
> though), they had almost the same *problems* to solve. Because they had
> different goals they did not solve exactly the same problem set (it was
> an exaggeration in my sentence) but close (self hosting dev tools and
> local communication are the main differences).

That said, I find Noise's line of reasoning here compelling.   What
are specific features of the current Sugar experience that people
think would be hard to port to Android [porting Etoys might in fact be
hard]?

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Re: Wanted: List of Sugar activities for the XO-1.5

[Samuel Klein]

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Samuel Klein wrote:
> >> [ADD & UNSTAR]
> >> VNC Launcher
>
> Not sure what this category is for, but I feel like I need to put in a
> plug for Watch Me [1].


It's for activities with great demo potential, or that are useful in the
hands of clueful XO uses/techers/&c -- but aren't so broadly useful as to
merit taking up 2% of the default desktop.


> Watch Me, wraps this process into a pure Sugar form, so that XOs running
> Sugar can share their screens with each other.
>
> [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/sugar/addon/4205
>

That's very cool; I hadn't tried it  before.

> http://dev.laptop.org/~bemasc/StopWatchActivity-3.xo<http://dev.laptop.org/%7Ebemasc/StopWatchActivity-3.xo>

+1

Mike writes:
> I would recommend against including finance by default.  As laptops
> are given out by government agencies in countries where people are
> often suspicious of the government and it's often the time that they
> are trying to increase tax revenue this might well lead to suspicions.

What about leaving it unstarred?   I'd hate to leave out a good practical
activity just out of indirect fear; similar arguments could be used as
reasons not to have a word processor or spreadsheet altogether.

SJ
(who wishes ImageQuiz  were available :)
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RE: Wanted: List of Sugar activities for the XO-1.5

[Samuel Klein]

Here's a list of activities that I think would be great, both worth starring
and worth having unstarred (it's a large enough list now that it's confusing
to have them all on the home screen by default, but there are lots of great
activities that people who know about them will want even when they're
offline with no way to get new activities).

There may be another 5-10 of these that are worth unstarring for a clean,
useful firstboot home screen...  I'm testing these over the weekend.

OLPCorps classes had lovely stories about using both Micropolis and Moon
with parents and students becoming interested because of those activities
(Moon for religious reasons).

Words still accumulates bad characters at the start of its input field if
you keep using it and encounter words with accents, but it's also been very
useful.

Read Etexts is a bit redundant with Get Books, but it is lovely in its own
focused way, and small.

OOo4kids and Gcompris (a suitable subset) would be excellent additions...
both have sizeable development communities compared to most of the
activities here

SJ


TO TEST:
>
> ==
>
> Browse
> Calculate
> Chat
> Distance
> Etoys
> Implode
> Infoslicer
> IRC
> Labyrinth
> Maze
> Measure
> Memorize
>
> Physics
> Pippy
> Read
> Record
> Scratch
> Speak
> TamTam *
> Terminal
> Turtle Art
> Typing Turtle
> Words
> Write
>
> [ADD]
> Get Books
> Help
> Wikibrowse (en, es)
> ..
> Falabracman
> FoodForce2
> Micropolis (Corps support!)
> OOo4Kids (link to Gnome)

GCompris
> TuxPaint
> ..
> Finance
> Geogebra
> SocialCalc
>
>
> [UNSTAR]
> Analyze
> Jukebox
> Log
> Moon (Corps story!)
> Paint
>
> [ADD & UNSTAR]
> VNC Launcher
> Read Etexts?
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Chris Ball 
> Date: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Devel Digest, Vol 45, Issue 53
> To: "Reuben K. Caron" 
> Cc: OLPC Development , Eric Bachard <
> er...@openoffice.org>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> [Added ericb to CC; Eric, we're talking about which applications to
> include by default on our OLPC XO-1.5 software release.]
>
>   > How about suggestions for programs on the Gnome side?
>
> That's a good idea, thanks.
>
> I haven't decided what to do about OpenOffice yet -- at the moment we
> don't ship it, but do ship abiword and gnumeric.  The options for it
> look something like:
>
> * just add the openoffice.org Fedora packages for GNOME.
>  (How much disk space would that use?)
>
> * just add the Ooo4Kids activity for Sugar.
>
> * just add the Ooo4Kids activity for Sugar, *and* find a way to make
>  the same activity launchable inside GNOME.  This would need Ooo4Kids
>  to be useful for older kids as well, since they're the target
>  audience for using GNOME instead of Sugar.
>
> The OOo4Kids activity is here:
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4241  (100MB)
>
> Perhaps someone could try out OOo4Kids, see how it compares to
> standard OpenOffice, and see how much disk space adding the full
> OpenOffice packages would require?
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Chris.
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Re: XO-1.5 follow-on impression

[Samuel Klein]

Some more comments from recent use and demos of my 1.5 w/ os32, some
of which I'll put into trac.

1) Twice in half an hour I was able to get Sugar to stop redrawing
when, while it had 5-6 activities open, someone hovered over the XO on
the desktop to pull up the config menu.  The menu would open, not
display text, and the mouse and interface would stop working.
journal/frame keys wouldn't work.  ctrl-alt-del worked instantly in
both cases to restart X.  I couldn't dupliate on demand.

2) Infoslicer always claimed it couldn't reach the network to download
articles even when browse had no trouble.

3) The network still shows three copies of every access point.

4) Both Browse and Firefox on Gnome don't load certain popular sites
(see below).

SJ


-- Forwarded message --
From: Kalil Nicolas
Subject: V1.5 issue

Since you said to report issues I may find in the V1.5, here are a few:

Using Gnome, I try accessing the Major League Baseball website and
since there are too many pics and some options for real time games,
the pictures just keep flashing and never actually open…its very slow

Same happens when I access the Skype Website (was going to try and
download) the website wouldn’t open, it keeps just flashing back and
forth the download option.

=


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Mikus Grinbergs  wrote:
> Was able to use the XO-1.5 (os32) at another location, connected without a
> proxy.  My opinion - this is a quite nice machine.
>
> The principal user-perception experience where improvement would still be
> welcome is video support.  Changes to the screen (e.g., show/hide Frame) are
> not being done "smoothly".  And when viewing "moving pictures", the
> currently scanty hardware acceleration (e.g., ticket #9407) is noticeable.
>
> For me, the XO-1.5 is a "performer" -- it runs many many Activities, plus
> applications ported from Linux.  Interaction with the network works.  I
> think that with this product the users' demands are met.
>
> mikus
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?

[Samuel Klein]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Martin
Langhoff wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>> Actually I came along this myself the other day. I would propose to have the
>> file name as the entry title and the 'downloaded from' description in the
>> journal entry description field.
>
> +1!

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Fwd: Gnash loves the Via C7

[Samuel Klein]

Rob - Gnash tweaks would be welcome.  Could you use an A-board when
they're ready?  They're expected out around the end of  May:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_specification_1.5

These requests should go to our contributors program
, with the address and shipping phone # to
use.

--SJ

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rob Savoye 
Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Subject: XO 1.5
To: SJ Klein 


Hey, when are these going to be available, and is it possible to get one
so I can tweak Gnash for the better performing hardware ? Gnash *loves*
the Via C7, as it has good graphics support.

       - rob -
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Re: 2PM EDT Friday: BRIEF Contributors Program Mtg (#olpc-meeting)

[Samuel Klein]

On a related note, OLPC are looking for mentors and project ideas for
Summer of Code this year, so please add yourself and your ideas -- or
those of people you are mentoring, where a CP project has an obvious
good fit.

See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code for details and encourage
mentors to list themselves there.  We are particularly interested in
good mentors for schoolserver projects and key activity development.

SJ


2009/3/13 Holt :
> Contributor Program v2.0 is off to a Great start this month, thanks to So
> Many of You, including:
>
>     * almost 15 active (dare I saw AWESOME) Mentors
>     * several "Laptop Lending Libraries" Right Now getting underway this
> month in Australia, New Zealand & beyond
>     * a far more accessible reviewing process volunteers are increasingly
> helping me roll out (you know who you are, thank Mafe & all!!)
>
> Join us reviewing the latest OLPC/Sugar community projects today 2PM EDT in
> just over an hour from now:
>    http://forum.laptop.org/chat
>
> Then type at bottom:
>    /join #olpc-meeting
>
>
> 1. We'll review these 4 new projects:
>
>     NLP tools for OLPC, Meaning to Word Multi-lingual Dictionary by Ervin
> [ALBANIA]
>     http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35617
>
>     PROJECT i-TEACH, Philippines by Emmanuel [PHILIPPINES]
>     http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35665
>
>     OLPC Jericho by Sebastian [WEST BANK, PALESTINIAN TERRITORY, ISRAEL,
> GERMANY, SWITZERLAND]
>     http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35743
>
>     Ghana olpc by Eric [GHANA]
>     http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35942
>
> (*) site passworded to protect personal privacy of applicants; if you can
> help, please do join http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_Gang !  NEW: Project
> summaries of pre-approved projects will soon be posted here, as they
> "bubble" up to maturity: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects
>
>
> 2. Revising Prior Proposals
>
>    Integrate CRM Web form using XO by benbas [MALAYSIA]
>    http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35391
>
>    Loan Laptop to students and lecturers by benbas [MALAYSIA]
>    http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=35393
>
>     AND OTHERS!
>     http://rt.laptop.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue=%27contributors%27
>
>
> 3. Hone our Mentoring Process!
>
>     * Our "Science fair" garden is growing fast for springtime, watch (and
> help!) /many/ ongoing inspiring changes Hullaw & others sparking here --
> help all worthy projects past/present/future take root!
>    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects
>     * Application process clarified regarding privacy/sharing options --
> Title, Objectives, and Mentor Preferences must be web-published:
>    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors_program/Project_proposal_form
>     * Build Awareness around our new: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors
>     * Mentor More Projects-- Help Us Resolve several dozen Project Proposals
> dating from 2008:
>
> http://rt.laptop.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue=%27contributors%27
>     * Keep stress-testing our new CP v2.0 to make sure it continues to scale
>     * Craft RTFM's and email to all older/ongoing projects asking them how
> it's going, how we can help!
>     * Craft email to the many who registered over the last year expecting
> hardware, but failed to to complete the 2nd step applying :(
>
>
> 4. "Projecting" Futurism
>
>     *  Several "Laptop Lending Libraries" are Right Now getting underway.
> Help us provide them the best ideas towards organic growth (Project Pools)
> by commenting here:
>         http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors_program_criteria
>  * Contributors Program v3.0 arising springtime?
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_meetings/20090301#Agenda_Item_2:_Contributors_Program.2B.2B.3B_Radical_Overhaul_Advances
>     * Your Other Questions!
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Re: Google summer of Code?

[Samuel Klein]

A few of the the details here are wrong...

2009/3/8 Jameson Quinn :
> No definite agreement has been made, but in preliminary chats, it seems
> that both organizations agree that anything for XS or specific to XO hardware
> should go in OLPC, and everything else (general Sugar improvements,
> frameworks, or activities) should go in Sugarlabs.

We discussed this at XO camp, and people from Sugar Labs were
considering not supporting activity development and focusing on core
sugar development.  Has this changed?  In general, do you expect that
priorities for toolchain and activity development will be the same?

I expect that many activity development and student projects
interested in working with current schools will apply for both OLPC
and Sugar Labs projects; they are welcome to apply to both, and those
doing work relevant to Sugar should be encouraged to!  Applying to
multiple GSOC groups is standard practice; students do not need to
choose.  We had a couple of students last year who ended up working on
OLPC related projects for other orgs.

> expected with just one org. We actually got only 2,

We had 4 students last year.

SJ
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Re: [Wiki-gang] getting the truth about future releases onto wiki.laptop.org

[Samuel Klein]

no need for page deletions; there's still a lot to be worked out over
the coming months.  I believe joyride is working as designed at the
moment and should be updated once 8.2.1 is quite out the door.

SJ

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:03 PM, S Page  wrote:
> 9.1.0 is cancelled, joyride does not incorporate latest Sucrose, O.S.
> development is taking place elsewhere.  Such adjustments have made big
> chunks of wiki.laptop.org deceptive.  AFAIK, no one has put this change
> in direction on the wiki (?!), so I jumped in.
>
> * I started with http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Future_releases , adding a
> new section
>   == Next-generation releases will not come from OLPC ==
> based around NN's Q&A statement.  I added a subsection pointing to the
> most promising replacements (~cjb/rawhide and SugarLabs' SoaS XO
> images), with a "not ready" caveat.
>
> IMO, the Future_releases page should continue to be the definitive
> statement about future releases (duh).  The wiki has thousands of
> half-hearted ill-maintained pages, it doesn't need more.
>
>
> I have adjusted some misleading pages, always linking back to [[Future
> releases]] so as to avoid populating lots of pages with info that's
> subject to change.
>
> * In the "Devel" line of the "Latest Releases" green box I put a "Read
> note!" link.
>
> * In http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Joyride I added a section
>   === Joyride is not producing usable releases ===
>
> * I marked http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0 as obsolete, saying
>   A specific 9.1.0 release from OLPC is not going to happen,
> linking to Ed McNierney's public statement in
> http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-February/023079.html
> (I did the same in the 9.1.0 section of Future releases.)
>
> * In http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images#Development_builds I indicated
> the change in approach and de-emphasized joyride.
>
>
> == TO DO ==
>
> * Find and adjust many other misleading pages.
>
> * I'm not sure what to do with the big swath of 9.1.0 Future
> features/roadmap pages and subpages.
>
> * Can someone with rights please update http://dev.laptop.org/roadmap to
> add a prominent link to [[Future releases]] and kill off the dead
> milestones.
>
> * Is the Joyride stream obsolete rather than "temporarily not working as
> designed"?
>
> * If there are specific XO features that are going away in this new
> world (e.g. Rainbow,  Bitfrost, olpc-update, the Software update Sugar
> control panel, "press O to revert to previous image", ?), they should be
> listed in a new "Not applicable" section of
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Enabling_XO_features_on_other_distributions
> and their wiki pages somehow flagged with a {{does not apply in new
> world}} template.
>
> * Is this janitorial work in the ruins a waste of time better served by
> wholesale page deletions?
>
>
> Thanks for all you do, and I look forward to the next-generation Linux
> distributions with Sugar running on my XO.
>
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Re: XOIRC migrated to Sugar Labs (as IRC Activity)

[Samuel Klein]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:12 PM, S Page  wrote:

> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XoIRC still points to laptop.org for bundle,
> source, POT.  Several other migrated activities likewise have incorrect
> wiki.laptop.org pages.

Indeed.  Please tag those at the top with {{Migrated to sl.o}} but
don't blank the page.  In this case you are moving a page that can be
edited and discussed to one that does not really support either (and
that has misleading metadata).

Last time I carried out a similar migration, we left the original
pages up for roughly 12 months, which is a good time-scale on which to
let wikis settle.  It helps if the target page moved to is also
editable,  annotatable, and history-preserving.


> You *could* follow
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Maintaining_activity_web_information to

Please update this page / discuss around this page ways in which you
would like to see activity pages migrated.


> I think only activities in an activity group or with an update URL
> pointing to wiki.laptop.org still need information on w.l.o.
> But what do others think?

I think it makes sense to have the short-template versions of all
activities that work on XOs on [[Activities/All]] and the like, until
the activity-discovery process within Sugar [and within older versions
of Sugar out in the wild] changes.  But those could be updated from
info stored in an activities.sl.o database.

SJ
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities migration status

[Samuel Klein]

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM, David Farning  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:
>> Is there no way to move/create an activity so that the same code push
>> will update both sl's gitorious and olpc's git?
>>
>> Until there is a policy of sorts in place, and better yet an endowment
>> supporting long-term maintenance of a server hosting projects (one of
>> the two mentioned so far in this thread, or a dedicated
>> project-hosting service elsewhere), I would focus on creating good
>> mirrors, rather than on picking any particular single host.  There is
>> currently still risk of losing people's work.
>
> While you wait for a best case scenario We will continue to move
> forward one step at a time.

I was replying to the idea that people move backwards, and not mirror
their code.  SJ
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities migration status

[Samuel Klein]

Is there no way to move/create an activity so that the same code push
will update both sl's gitorious and olpc's git?

Until there is a policy of sorts in place, and better yet an endowment
supporting long-term maintenance of a server hosting projects (one of
the two mentioned so far in this thread, or a dedicated
project-hosting service elsewhere), I would focus on creating good
mirrors, rather than on picking any particular single host.  There is
currently still risk of losing people's work.

SJ

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Luke Faraone  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:
>>
>> I like that part.  Are there criteria for removing someone's project
>> if it's deemed inappropriate?
>
> Not yet, but I assume if someone thinks that somebody else's use of SL
> infrastrucutre is not under the project scope we'll discuss it on the
> sugar-devel or IAEP mailing list.
>
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Re: What's going on with Text To Speech on the XO?

[Samuel Klein]

Hemant, Tomeu, Assim and all,

Has there been any progress on TTS since last summer?  I'd love to see
this project move forward.  Prabhas has also indicated some interest
in working on language-learning support, which is directly related...
It would also be nice to have Listen and Spell among the regularly
tested activities.

SJ


On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:22 PM, James Simmons
 wrote:
> Ed,
>
> Thanks for your response.  I never questioned that there was still
> interest in TTS on the XO.  What I was wondering is if there was any
> progress made by Hemant Goyal or anyone else in getting the
> Speech-Dispatcher software included with the Sugar distribution, if the
> newer version of Python that resolved the power management issue was
> included, etc.  I've sent a couple of emails to Hemant and haven't heard
> back from him.  I was wondering if he was still working on these things,
> or if someone else had taken over his work, etc.  He was making RPMs for
> Fedora for installing speech-dispatcher.
>
> James Simmons
>
> Edward Cherlin wrote:
>> Welcome back. There is significant interest from other organizations
>> in our use of TTS with text coloring. I have just started discussions
>> with the Doug Engelbart Foundation, Creative Commons ccLearn, Alan
>> Kay's Viewpoints Research, and OLE about a new project to create a
>> full range of teaching materials around Sugar. TTS-TC is important for
>> literacy, of course, and also for language learning.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities migration status

[Samuel Klein]

Can someone create a "project hosting" page for new projects on the sl wiki?

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29, S Page  wrote:
>>
>> Then http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Project_hosting  is obsolete.  What's the
>> equivalent page on sugarlabs.org?

Not obsolete; just missing an important piece of information.

>> Parts of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_an_activity are also
>> out-of-date.

I would particularly like to see the Scope section of a hypothetical
"project hosting" page on the sl wiki; at the moment it seems that
non-sugar projects might not be welcome to host/mirror their work
there.

For instance, the SL mission is "to produce, distribute, and support
the use of the Sugar learning platform" rather than, say, to directly
'reinvent how computers are used for education through collaboration,
reflection, and discovery' [the latter taken from Sugar's founding
goals].  Would projects focused on the same goals but not currently
part of the Sugar-platform-roadmap be welcome?


> Note that you don't need to ask permission to anyone in order to get a
> source repository created.

I like that part.  Are there criteria for removing someone's project
if it's deemed inappropriate?

SJ

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>
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Re: XFT emacs rocks on the XO...

[Samuel Klein]

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Martin Langhoff
 wrote:

> Also, the XO ships with a very limited vim. yum install vim-enhanced
> has improved my part-time vim usage.

can we fix this in the next refresh?  how much extra space did it
take?  vim is useful.
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Re: Google summer of Code?

[Samuel Klein]

Thanks Peter!  OLPC are definitely participating tihs year.  We should
pull together a good list of both sugar and OLPC projects.

On the OLPC wiki, this means updating two pages
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2009/Ideas

The latter needs a new page.  SL should set up one as well, assuming
they are doing SOC.

SJ

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Peter Robinson  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I noticed that quite a few organisations are starting to ramp up for
> GSOC and getting people to start thinking about proposals etc. Not
> sure if OLPC/Sugar are planning on participating but if so it might be
> worthwhile to start to get people thinking about what needs to be done
> etc.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: Please update etoys in 8.2.1

[Samuel Klein]

I would like to see a java update.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Michael Stone  wrote:
>>so after the 8.2.1 release the plan is to just switch to standard Linux
>>distros?
>
> Speaking entirely as a volunteer: the answer depends on who you ask.
>
> Since I think that 8.2.0 wasn't half bad, I'm currently trying to persuade
> people who feel similarly to work with me to assemble an 8.2.2 with some 
> useful
> bugfixes and software updates, because I think that
>
>   a) it's the right thing to do
>
>   b) it will complement various upstream efforts (both in Fedora, Sugar Labs,
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>  deployment-specific testing effort on the most relevant parts of
>  their work
>
>   c) that it's important to deliver a product which directly meets the needs 
> of
>  existing deployments even when those needs don't precisely match the 
> needs
>  and goals of the larger upstream communities.
>
> Does this help clarify the situation?
>
> Michael
>
> P.S. - My current ideal list of changes would include:
>
>   * fix the memory stability issue
>   * ship the new gabble w/ support for out-of-band stream tubes
>   * ship the latest gnash
>
> and I'd be very happy to discuss shipping various sugar or platform updates as
> well; e.g. java.
>
> What do you want to see in a new release?
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Re: OLPC upgrades

[Samuel Klein]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Frank Ch. Eigler  wrote:
> Mitch Bradley  writes:
>
>> [...]  It's also worth pointing out that the new low-power x86
>> processors, Atom being the poster child, are still stuck with
>> power-hungry support chips - memory and display controllers.  That
>> might change "soon", but for now it's still the case.  [...]
>
> According to the ACPI battery gauges under Fedora 10, my Fujitsu U820
> UMPC (Atom Z530, Poulsbo GMA500 MCH/graphics) takes around 6W *total*
> during light webby operations.

What do those same gauges tell you about an XO under F10?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting

[Samuel Klein]

In that vein, I'd love for someone to document how to add new
graph-reviewing, labelling, and import/export options to Measure.
Using graphs one has made, or looking at a history of graphs made and
data gathered, is hard -- not necc. easy enough to use in an ongoing
science experiment.

--SJ


On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Bryan Berry  wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 18:17 -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>> Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
>> Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
>>
>>
>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
>>
>>
>
> Wade, great idea! I would love to attend but unfortunately 3 PM EST
> translates to 2 AM Saturday morning.
>
> I do have an item to add to the agenda, which you and I have discussed
> previously.
>
> I would love for someone on the activityTeam to document how to easily
> add new instruments to TamTam. I have added this as a High-impact task
> on the ToDo List
>
> We do have a Nepali volunteer Vrishank Khanal who is trying to figure
> this out. Vrishank is brand-new to linux, programming, and open-source
> so adding instruments to TamTam may be beyond his current abilities if
> the task requires C Programming and/or CSound scripting. He has
> contacted Jean Piche. Let's hope he hears back soon.
>
>
> --
> Bryan W. Berry
> Technology Director
> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
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Re: [Activities] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting

[Samuel Klein]

I should add - with an in-person meeting in Cambridge
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-open/2009-January/001318.html

People who will be focused on the activities chat but want to get
together in person are welcome.

SJ

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:
> Note: there will also be a global volunteering meeting at the same
> time in #olpc from 3-5, and we will drop in and join for some of the
> activity discussion.
>
> SJ
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Wade Brainerd  wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
>> Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
>> All are encouraged to attend.  I will be especially happy to see the
>> following kinds of people well represented:
>> - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers!
>> - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of
>> Sugar activities at
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus.
>> - Deployment representatives who need activities & activity features
>> yesterday.
>> - G1G1 participants who want to get involved.
>> - Representatives from the other SL teams.
>> Hope to see you there,
>> -Wade
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Re: [Activities] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting

[Samuel Klein]

Note: there will also be a global volunteering meeting at the same
time in #olpc from 3-5, and we will drop in and join for some of the
activity discussion.

SJ

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Wade Brainerd  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
> Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
> All are encouraged to attend.  I will be especially happy to see the
> following kinds of people well represented:
> - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers!
> - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of
> Sugar activities at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus.
> - Deployment representatives who need activities & activity features
> yesterday.
> - G1G1 participants who want to get involved.
> - Representatives from the other SL teams.
> Hope to see you there,
> -Wade
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Re: GSoC 2009?

[Samuel Klein]

Sounds like a fine idea to me, Martin.  Assuming we are accepted again
as a mentoring org, we should be eligible for more projects than last
year.  But do bear in mind that we may not get anyone interested in
those projects; and that a successful GSoC internship is primarily
about a good experience developing a meaningful product, and the
interns are free to define how to tackle the problem they undertake.

SJ

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Martin Langhoff
 wrote:
> Ed, devel, server-devel, sj
> GSoC
>
> GSoC is looming. I am thinking of putting some of the things that I
> was planning to do in the next X months as GSoC projects (and that I
> know I'm unlikely to hit).
>
> Ideally, I would take take 2 or 3 mentees, with a preference towards
> those who live in deployment regions...
>
> retry/ignore/fail?
>
>
> m
> --
>  martin.langh...@gmail.com
>  mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect
>  - ask interesting questions
>  - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
>  - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff
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Re: Greetings from the Eastern Townships School Board Quebec Canada

[Samuel Klein]

As usual, participants online can take part via justin.tv , phone conf, or IRC
(check blogs.laptop.org for details).

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> We are finishing up the last day of technical talks at XO Camp,
> discussing synchronous and asynch collaboration.  Transcripts will be
> available soon on
>   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOCamp_2/Notes
>
> For the last morning of XO Camp tomorrow, we have a few special guests
> from Quebec:
>
> Ron Canuel and others from  the Eastern Townships school board in
> Quebec will be giving a 45-minute presentation about the last 5 years
> of their saturation deployment of computers in the classroom.
>
> They have a good relationship with Uruguay (see below) and are keen on
> sharing their experiences with us.  They have also worked with
> Terri-Nicole (a Harvard Ed School student who has been @ the Camp this
> week).  Please come at 9:45 am tomorrow for their talk and a Q&A
> session afterwards.  An introduction to their work follows, and slides
> for the talk are attached.
>
> SJ
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Ron Canuel
> Subject: Greetings from the Eastern Townships School Board Quebec Canada
> To: s...@laptop.org
>
>
> Good afternoon Samuel,
>
> I have assembled a team of four experts in the field of laptop
> technology and deployment who are finalizing the presentation for next
> Friday, the 16th of January.  We are very excited to present and have
> reviewed the agenda as well as the format of the week.
>
> For information purposes, our School Board, the Eastern Townships
> School Board is one of the few school districts in North America to
> have provided free wireless laptops to all
> students/teachers/administrators/trustees from Grades 3-11, including
> our two adult education centres.  We began our deployment in 2003 and
> have acquired much expertise and knowledge on the keys to successful
> deployments of technology in education.  We remain one of Canada's
> best kept secrets because we have witnessed a less than enthusiastic
> endorsement of the role of technology in the classroom.  Please take a
> look at our website: www.etsb.qc.ca  and look under the Enhanced
> Learning Strategy.
>
> The OLPC represents a major and significant shift in paradigms in
> education and sharing with you and your colleagues our experiences
> will hopefully make the deployments in other countries easier.
>
> The US Department of Education have used our pedagogical and
> technological rubrics and posted it on their website, since they
> acknowledged our important work in this area as well.
>
> All of this expertise was fully appreciated by our education
> colleagues in Uruguay, who signed a partnership agreement with our
> School Board, to assist them in the deployment of the OLPC laptops
> throughout the country.  We visited Uruguay and also had delegations
> from Uruguay visit our schools.  As you can understand, we are also
> receiving inquiries from other countries, most recently from the
> ambassador of South Africa who wants our School Board to provide
> further information on how laptops can make a difference in their
> schools.  I can include Paraguay and Peru as well.
>
> We also concluded an agreement with the world famous Cirque du Soleil,
> in which we provide education to the minor artists of their shows,
> synchronously, from our head office in Quebec.
>
> All of this to say that, fully understanding the major upheaval that
> the OLPC personnel have just experienced, we look forward to seeing
> you on the 16th of January,
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron Canuel
> Director General
> Eastern Townships School Board
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Re: XOCamp 2: Day 3 update

[Samuel Klein]

Hello,

We are currently talking about a string of technical topics : l10n,
journal, performance/memory, power, and jffs/ubi --- through the end
of the day.

After this there will be a brief talk about digitizing and creating
books from ed cherlin at 5.  The post below has the latest information
for joining in.

SJ

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Samuel Klein  wrote:
> We've made a few schedule changes today, with talks about
> customization, signing, and activation moved to later in the
> afternoon, and a longer session on the school server through the
> morning.
>
> http://blog.laptop.org/2009/01/12/xo-camp-on-tv/
>
> Feel free to leave comments, questions and ideas on the schedule's
> talkpage if you can't join in person.
>
> SJ
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XOCamp 2: Day 2 update

[Samuel Klein]

We've made a few schedule changes today, with talks about
customization, signing, and activation moved to later in the
afternoon, and a longer session on the school server through the
morning.

http://blog.laptop.org/2009/01/12/xo-camp-on-tv/

Feel free to leave comments, questions and ideas on the schedule's
talkpage if you can't join in person.

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XOCamp 2, Day 1 update

[Samuel Klein]

Dear all,

We're in the middle of day 1 of XOCamp.  You can take part in a few ways; we are
 * streaming over the web at justin.tv  (search for xocamp and olpc),
 * on an call-in conference line (see the wiki page for details)
 * on IRC in the  #olpc channel on freenode.net.

For those without irc clients, you can use your browser: visit
http://forum.laptop.org/chat
to open #olpc-help, then type  "/join #olpc"

For the current week's agenda, and slides for many talks, please see:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOCamp_2

We have a few sessions of open hacking, and are glad to include new
brief sessions or discussion topics; we can also present slides for
you if you can't do it in person / want to engage remotely.

Finally, we are archiving the conference media and transcripts; if you
have general questions about OLPC, our communities and deployments,
getting involved, or Sugar and hardware development, feel free to ask
them on the event's talk page and we will make sure your questions get
answered.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:XOCamp_2


Regards,
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Re: status of forks

[Samuel Klein]

There's a discussion going on right now at FUDCon with gregdek and cjb
running down the 20 or so forked packages and smoothing out how to
merge them back in.  So there should be helpful updates soon.

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Re: revisiting the 9.1 planning meeting : Friday, 3pm?

[Samuel Klein]

OK, we are on for 1500 Eastern today / 2000 UTC in #olpc-meeting for
the weekly 9.1 roadmap discussion.  For those on devel, sorry for the
short notice; I mistakenly sent this only to tech-team yesterday.

Please bring agenda points you want to raise about 9.1 planning
(including a maximum of 3 minutes devoted to a discussion about
changing the name, which seems to derail many such recent
conversations.  so if you feel strongly about that, you consider
expressing your opinion and reasoning in writing, in advance.)

SJ


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Mel Chua  wrote:
> (whoops, meant to send this to everyone, not just SJ.)
>
> Fine by me as well - I'll be coming from FUDCON, can someone please remind
> me? I'll keep #olpc-meeting open, likely head back to the office at that
> time.
>
> --Mel
>
> Samuel Klein wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I was talking with cjb about having a short version of the weekly 9.1
>> planning meeitng to discuss how OLPC's changes affect the roadmap,
>> what the process might be for a country hoping to upgrade to 0.84, and
>> generally how to best facilitate the creation of the next stable
>> release of Sugar for the XO.  mstone has thought about this more than
>> anyone under the scenario where there is a distributed base of
>> contributors that independently would have a hard time producing a
>> full release...
>>
>> I would also like to reorganize Monday's schedule so that half of the
>> day - the afternoon? - is given over entirely to this subject.
>>
>> What do people think about having a 3-4 discussion about this in
>> #olpc-meeting, including how to raise these issues over the weekend
>> and at XOCamp next week?   Some of us heading to FUDCon will also be
>> coming back to 1CC at the end of the afternoon, so it would be nice to
>> be done by 4pm.
>>
>> SJ
>>
>>
>> Greg Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 10 minutes - XO Camp status. Assign more people to help present.
>>>
>>> 25 minutes - 9.1.0 feature status. Briefly review next steps on the top
>>> four areas: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0_requirements#Top_Priority
>>>
>>> 15 minutes - 9.1.0 bug scrub plan. Pick start date and times for
>>>
>>
>> intensive bug scrub.
>>
>>>
>>> 10 minutes - set action items and agenda for next week
>>>
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Re: Recording XO Camp 2

[Samuel Klein]

I feel the same way about some of the FUDtalks.  We'll definitely have
our  video setup for XOCamp sessions.  We need to find a better mic,
though.  --SJ


2009/1/6 Carol Farlow Lerche :
> I hope that someone is planning to record these sessions as was done at the
> last event.  I watched all of these and found them very helpful and
> informative as a way to get the flavor of backstory, opinion and debate that
> doesn't always come through reading the lists.
>
> My personal opinion is that audio posted with a copy of the presentation
> slide deck is almost as good as video, and better in some ways, if this is
> easier.  Of course video is great to connect voices with faces when the
> videographer isn't drawn into side conversations and remembers to change the
> direction of the camera when the slides are in play.  (It's a lot to ask
> that someone withdraws from active participation enough to do this job, so I
> am not complaining about the occasional lapse.)
>
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Re: [IAEP] XOCamp diplomas? + beg for housing

[Samuel Klein]

Hi Jameson,

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM, David Farning  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jameson Quinn  
> wrote:
>> 1. Diplomas
>>
>> I know it sounds ridiculous, but here in Guatemala every conference or

Not /that/ ridiculous.

> Keep reminding us about this.  The idea is so foreign to me that I
> keep forgetting to follow up on it.
>
>> I'd be happy to throw something together. I would need a list of attendees
>> who want them, and 1 or 2 people with official titles to sign the things;
>> and I'd like some resources for printing the things (printer and nice paper,
>> or a few bucks to acquire [the use of] those).
>
> If you could put this together that would be great.  We can then use

Seconded.  Send what you throw together to the lists, and we can give
you feedback.  And we can get it printed up here so you don't have to
travel with them / we can fill out last-minute attendees.  [also, it
doesn't make sense to give them out /before/ people attend... so that
they preserve whatever little value they have]


>> 2. Housing beg
>>
>> I will be in Boston from the night of the 12th (Monday, arriving on a late
>> train) to that of the 17th (leaving by train on the morning of the 18th). I
>> am confident that I can, if necessary, find housing independently of this
>> list; but it would be nicer to be staying with other XO people. If anybody
>> has a couch/room available, please let me know privately. Thanks.

We need an [[XO couchsurfing]] page. I'll get back to you on the
availability of our Cambridge couch.

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Re: Flash wiki entries

[Samuel Klein]

>> Just in time for New Year's resolutions:  edit the wiki page first.

:-)

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Carlos Nazareno  wrote:
> Hey Skier! Your wish is my command :)
>
> Just did a massive update to the Adobe Flash page, hope to update the
> main Flash Player and Gnash pages as well soon, pending spare time off
> work.

Thank you.

> Anyway, for the benefit of the folks who prefer to use Gnash to Adobe
> Flash, it would be really great if we could outline that sound howto
> on the Gnash wiki entry :)

+1 -- and specifically on how to file new bugs or videos/sites that
are not working (should they be olpc-trac bugs?  gnash-dev emails?
gnash bugs?)

>> Anyway, why does this wiki page tell you to enter
>>   sudo su -

Some future zen compilation of sudo may support infinite nesting of
levels of protectedness, so that you have to really REALLY mean it to
say sudo sudo sudo 'make me a sandwich'

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

[Samuel Klein]

Aha!  Yes, I've made that a response to the recent spot.  As for the
comments... this is a chance to work on your skill at teaching through
one-liners.
There are a few other great videos up that are worth sharing where
appropriate; Joels video of an 8 and 10-year old repairing a keyboard
comes to mind.  For those who haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pus_fA1Tv9w

Project4Awesome has some tips for using YouTube to spread an idea
[they run an annual 'take over YT for charity' day every Dec. 17] -
http://www.projectforawesome.com/?page_id=16

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM, S Page  wrote:
>>  the common reaction "How are kids going to use laptops in the middle of
>> the jungle?  give them food!"
>
> I didn't know about "OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop" ,
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
> That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock
> response to the doubters.
>
> --
> =S
>
>
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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

[Samuel Klein]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> I believe it's his real speech, with a few composite moments.  It

I stand corrected; it was an actor.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

[Samuel Klein]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Bastien  wrote:
> "Samuel Klein"  writes:
>
>> The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
>> released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.
>
> I only like the beginning - flying XOs...  the first attempt for a
> forthcoming screensaver "activity"?

My thoughts exactly.  I'd like to know who wrote the code for that.


> For the rest of it, it sounds fake, it's too short, what we see and
> hear is nothing but a distraction from the core message.  Looks like
> people have been playing with a beautiful idea, but ended up with a
> toy-movie.
>
> My favorite so far is Waveplace's one:
>
>  http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3wB-7JeOE

It certainly has the best imagery of kids in XO schools.
Has that white-on-black version of the logo appeared anywhere else?

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

[Samuel Klein]

David,

I believe it's his real speech, with a few composite moments.  It
sounds like other interviews I've heard -- and different from most
singing voice examples in my head.  You're not alone in making that
comment about the voice. Feel free to suggest post topics or
additional videos to review for the blog in the comments.

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:28 PM,   wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, Samuel Klein wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
>> released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
>> makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
>> I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
>> get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
>> 50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
>> the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
>> on the blog.
>>  http://blog.laptop.org
>
> personal opinion here, I don't like using digital fakery to make dead
> celebreties say things that they never said (movies that are clearly fiction
> are an exception to this)
>
> In this case I think the quality of the audio splicing also leave a lot to
> be desired (but then again, I've never listened to recordings of Lennon
> talking, so it could be his real speech pattern)
>
> the other videos on the blog are very interesting. I hadn't heard of this
> blog before, thanks for the pointer.
>
> David Lang
>
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Re: Lennon video and other vids

[Samuel Klein]

If you still want the originals for download, you can find some at
media.laptop.org, but that machine isn't designed to take much
traffic.
http://media.laptop.org/zimi/
http://media.laptop.org/brandvideos/

You can also see other videos uploaded to the olpc group at DM, which
are automatically converted and moved there (once they are approved
for group inclusion), so if you already have a vid you want others to
be able to see on their XO, make a DM account and post it to
http://www.dailymotion.com/olpc

where it will join

http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7gne6_give-one-get-one-2007-thank-you_school
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7f7jj_one-laptop-per-child-zimis-story-fu_school
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7o505_skills-the-right-to-education_lifestyle
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7ft2t_olpc-mission-video-part-1_tech
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7ft5g_olpc-mission-video-part-2_tech

along with a large collection of Plonsters claymations, a /huge/
collection of Cullen Wood kids' videos, and more.

Sebastien - I think we may need another way to navigate (a set of
numbers in addition to <<  >>) now that the group's broken 400
videos...

SJ


On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:
> That is a fine point, Mikus.
> We are working with dailymotion to provide an archive of all olpc
> videos formatted cleanly for the XO.
>
> http://www.dailymotion.com/factory/olpc
> http://olpc.dailymotion.com/
>
> for the time being, you can just write to web-t...@lists.laptop.org if
> there's a video you want to see that isn't up there.
> the message from Lennon already is.
>
> SJ
>
> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mikus Grinbergs  wrote:
>> There are those of us who have difficulty watching YouTube on our XOs.  Is
>> there somewhere to download this video with wget ?
>>
>> mikus
>>
>>
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Re: Lennon video and other vids

[Samuel Klein]

That is a fine point, Mikus.
We are working with dailymotion to provide an archive of all olpc
videos formatted cleanly for the XO.

http://www.dailymotion.com/factory/olpc
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/

for the time being, you can just write to web-t...@lists.laptop.org if
there's a video you want to see that isn't up there.
the message from Lennon already is.

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mikus Grinbergs  wrote:
> There are those of us who have difficulty watching YouTube on our XOs.  Is
> there somewhere to download this video with wget ?
>
> mikus
>
>
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G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

[Samuel Klein]

Hi,

The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
on the blog.
  http://blog.laptop.org

Quick G1G1 updates :
1. The first batch of international G1G1 machines should all have
arrived this week, in time for Christmas.
Some people in Europe weren't sure about when the program is ending;
while we didn't announce a specific date, it is likely to stop after
December 31st.
While there was been discussion about continuing G1G1 for a short
while longer in the US, that may end at the same time.
   http://blog.laptop.org/2008/12/24/g1g1-international-update/

2. There is a form you can fill out if you'd like OLPC to mail a
thank-you card to someone when you donate  on their behalf, and a
downloadable PDF of the card you can send directly:
   http://laptop.org/thankyou/donationform.html
   http://laptop.org/thankyou/OLPC_GiftCard.pdf

I hope we can use a lot of these for the ongoing give-a-school program
(whatever it is called!).  If you make translations (of the form or
card), post details to localization@ and web-t...@laptop .

Holiday spirits,
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Re: Browse Start Page

[Samuel Klein]

Thanks, Jacob.  It would be good to see other very different designs
for the front page as well.

I think it's important to include easy ways to
 - search for help and info about OLPC/XO/Sugar [with links to Help activity?]
 - learn about python / smalltalk / C / source / programming in general
 - search the web [with options for diff. engines]
 - search the computer [for documents / metadata; with links to journal-search?]

TiddlyWiki in my experience is easy to mess up and be unable to
restore... are there solutions for this now?

SJ


On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Jacob Haddon  wrote:
> I've set up a moc start page for the Browse activity. It seems that a great 
> opportunity is missed on the browse from page for helping provide information 
> to the students about their computer, about resources available to them, and 
> possible connections to the school server.
>
> My moc-up can be found here (this is for demonstration, layout and design 
> aspects can be changed and by that I mean improved)
>
> http://sixthcrusade.com/start.html
>
> The layout is pretty simple, using the YUI, i set up a few tabs with 
> information in each. The first is the standard 'start' page where the student 
> is going onto the net. Other tabs can be set up for specific subjects based 
> on the needs of the classroom or OLPC itself.
>
> For example, a tab just on the XO with links to the GPL, where to get the 
> code, etc, would help with one of the recent discussions on this list. There 
> could be links to Python information, tutorials, or even an entire tab on 
> Python.
>
> This set up will allow more robust information to get to the student beyond 
> the simple start page. Also this helps with the not-so-quite intuitive 
> bookmarks that browse currently offers.
>
> On a related note, TiddyWiki (http://tiddlywiki.com) now works in the Browse 
> activity. This too could be set up as the homepage, again with sections 
> pre-set up for use, but adding the ability for the student to add things to 
> it, such as a daily journal, or collections of links and such.
>
> Either the YUI example or the TiddlyWiki could be used, or both in some 
> combination (YUI as home page with link to the wiki)
>
> these are just my thoughts/suggestions.
>
>
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Re: The new OLPC ads

[Samuel Klein]

The Lennon ad hasn't been released yet.
I saw CDs with a version of it in the office this morning.

SJ

Martin writes:
>> -- still, everyone mentions the Lennon ad and
>> I haven't seen it. They mention  and show the "fast learners" ad but
>> no the Lennon ad.
>>
>> Anyone's seen it?
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Re: XO deployment count?

[Samuel Klein]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:30 PM,   wrote:
>> In countries all over the world, XOs are *actually arriving in
>> children's hands*.
>> --scott
>>
>> [*] "roughly" means there are lots of minor details I'm omitting; Peru
>
> rough numbers are good enough for answering critics who claim that OLPC
> is a failure, the only thing is that if different people give vastly
> different numbers we end up looking like idiots.
>
> the deployments page mentioned above is not linked to from the main page
> of the wiki (this is one of my gripes about most wikis, they end up having
> lots of information in them, but the linking structure is frequently so
> bad that you would never know it, which leads to multiple pages being
> maintained by different people, with conflicting information)
>
> if you could pass this along to the folks on the business side. they need
> to realize that we are part of their sales/marketing force.

You certainly are.

The main page is editable by anyone with a user account; I encourage
anyone with ideas about what should go there to add specific
suggestions to the talk page, or to update directly if the change is
obvious.  Most other pages, if you see that they aren't linking to the
most current version of a relevant page, be bold and fix them.

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Re: Wine activity

[Samuel Klein]

A popular program that has been requested a few times via Wine is
Let's Go for english learning.
This activity definitely needs its own section on
wiki.laptop.org/go/Wine ...  SJ

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler  wrote:
> That's awesome work! I was able to install Wine and use it, including
> firefox and a win32 application I had previously build using mingw32
> under Linux on another PC and uploaded to a webserver, and then
> downloaded using firefox inside wine. However, I did notice the
> following oddities:
>
> 1. When I later resumed the activity from the journal, the wallpaper
> was gone and nothing worked, although the start-menu items for firefox
> were still there.
>
> 2. It was not clear to me how to save wine's state to the journal.
>
> 3. At some point the usual 'leave full-screen mode' icon appeared in
> the upper-right corner, but clicking it seemed to have no effect other
> than to make it disappear, i.e. no sugar UI appeared and the desktop
> size did not change.
>
> 4. Wine crashed when I used Firefox's download manager to open the
> location of a downloaded file (winefile appeared briefly, then the
> whole activity crashed.) I have no idea why yet, but perhaps there is
> some information left in a log file somewhere I will find.
>
> On the bright side, this means it's fairly trivial to run at least
> some "windows-only" software on the OLPC now, which is great when
> there's not yet a Sugar or Linux version.
>
> -Ben
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Vincent Povirk
>  wrote:
>> The Wine activity has advanced to the point where I think it's ready
>> for testing by actual users.
>>
>> The current package, development history, and my todo list are at
>> http://wiki.winehq.org/SugaredWine
>>
>> The intent of this project is to provide a shell that can be used to
>> run Windows programs using Wine in the Sugar environment. It should be
>> good enough that someone used to Windows can grab and install a
>> Windows program without help, once the activity is installed. Ideally,
>> the installer and software will both work fine in Wine and within the
>> hardware limitations of an XO. In this ideal case, someone used to
>> Windows should be able to operate it without help.
>>
>> If it does not live up to this ideal for platinum software (according
>> to the Wine appdb) whose hardware requirements the XO meets, I want to
>> know about it and hopefully fix it.
>>
>> Wine bugs and hardware limitations mean a lot of Windows programs
>> won't work or won't work properly. On Linux, one can often push the
>> compatibility much further than what works "out of the box" by looking
>> at console messages (the log viewer works for this) and tweaking Wine.
>> Don't expect everything to work perfectly, but don't give up if it
>> doesn't. This is normal, even on Linux.
>>
>> Winehq.org has support channels for such cases (appdb, bugzilla,
>> mailing lists, and the winehq irc channel). Most of the people there
>> probably don't know anything about Sugared Wine, but collectively they
>> should know more than I do about making Wine work in general. If a
>> program doesn't work for you, you can go to any of those places for
>> support. You can also email sugaredw...@codeweavers.com. That goes
>> directly to me for now, but in the future (maybe the very near future)
>> I may decide to send it somewhere public, like a mailing list,
>> instead.
>>
>> Wine and the code that I developed for this project are licensed under
>> the GNU LGPL. The entire package isn't quite LGPL because I included
>> 7-zip. 7-zip is LGPL + unRAR restriction (you're not allowed to use
>> the source code to create a RAR compressor).
>>
>> If you have a program that works well in this Wine package and would
>> like to package it as a stand-alone .xo, please let me know. I already
>> did most of the work for this so that I could include 7-zip and a
>> firefox downloader/installer (and I could probably have included
>> firefox itself if not for the fact that it would require uploading
>> non-open-source code to repo.or.cz).
>>
>> Vincent Povirk
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Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

[Samuel Klein]

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Bernie Innocenti
> I'd volunteer to work on a "testwiki.laptop.org" running a copy of
> Mediawiki with its own database, where we could performs upgrades.

OK, but I think it's often unnecessary for wikis - you can switch the
db to read-only mode instead.

SJ
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Re: OLPC/SL relationship

[Samuel Klein]

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Samuel Klein wrote:
>>> I was speaking of larger communication issues.
>>
>> Great.  Can we resolve them by providing more and more regular (and
>> more public!) information?  Communication issues are rarely fixed by
>> throwing pies.
>
> Announcing what OLPC is planning to do from time to time would be a
> first step in the right direction.  Discussing these plans with the
> community on devel@ would be even more appreciated.

Agreed.

> Since when we started the G1G1 last year, OLPC became less and less
> inclined in discussing potentially embarrassing topics with the
> community in public lists. With many customers and deployments all
> over the world, there are understandable concerns about legal
> liability and potential impact on the public image.

Goodness, sometimes I think everything we do is potentially
embarrassing.  Are there concerns about our public trac system
imposing liability and impacting our public image?  not really.
But people have dropped their comm bandwidth when they get stressed or
busy, that's for sure.

many times it's more a desire for pepole within OLPC who only have 80%
of an answer not to get the other 20% wrong that keeps anyone from
discussing certain things publicly.

> Well, I guess it's the necessary price one pays in order to grow a
> healthy and useful community around the project.  You thought me that,
> remember? :-)

(-:


>>> Two week ago you said that a statement would be forthcoming about the
>>> relationship between Sugar Labs and OLPC.
>>
>> What do you expect in such a statement?  What is the relationship in your 
>> words?
>>
>> I don't know what Ed had in mind, but I'd like to see more and more
>> casual discussions of this on all sides.
>
> I keep meeting people who see the Sugar Labs effort as some kind of
> competitor to OLPC, or even a *fork*.  And these are probably a small
> fraction who have been outspoken enough to say it.
>
> Our respective goals are distinct, but not necessarily incompatible.
> There's a lot of overlap that would make our long term relationship
> worthwhile in spite of the past.
>
> Walter Bender and Chuck Kane agreed to work together since before
> Sugar Labs was established. And many SL people also happen to be OLPC
> people, and vice-versa... so there is _already_ some kind of
> collaboration going on at some levels.
>
> What's needed at this point, IMHO, is a clear, open statement from
> OLPC that we're *really* committed to work together.  Not merge, nor
> marry... but work together on the thing we both need: Sugar.
>
> Or maybe just say: NEVER, GET LOST!!! ;-)

Now I have Dawn Upshaw singing in my subconscious.   Thanks a lot.

What does commitment mean here? for some people, including me, I have
a hard time imagining the opposite, so I guess it's easy for some
people to take this for granted and for others to be overly sensitive
and assume it would not happen.


>> We should all be talking together, no relays necessary.   Some of
>> these planning updates are on my plate, and I will get back with more
>> news tonight.  What are Sugar Labs' plans for Fudcon?  Providing more
>> public information on all sides will help everone, more than the
>> tastiest food fight.
>
> We apparently discussed it for a while, but I still didn't get around
> to catch up with my email.  All I know for sure is that this time I'll
> just sit back and enjoy the conference as a guest. ;-)

I'm sure you will enjoy that!  I didn't see it discussed publicly;
pleaswe make sure that those conversations are on public lists when
you are part of them.  I'll do the same.

OLPC is committed to having sessions specifically about the XO at
XOCamp the three days after FUDCon so that we can focus on shared
goals and components during it (and so that we can have wrap-up /
overview sessions for people working on XO planning that builds on
whatever comes out of FUDCon collaborations).I hope we can work
out how to combine community infrastructure tracks of the two (and
share resources to bring in community members from around the world
who really need to build stronger ties with one another so that they
can go back to assuming good faith on lists such as this one!).

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Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

[Samuel Klein]

+1 ~!  Thanks ypod.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Without meaning to undervalue the significance of this thread, it does
> not seem to pertain anymore to the subject of the devel list
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Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

[Samuel Klein]

Let's keep this discussion civil...

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:47 PM, David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ed McNierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was speaking of larger communication issues.

Great.  Can we resolve them by providing more and more regular (and
more public!) information?  Communication issues are rarely fixed by
throwing pies.

> Two week ago you said that a statement would be forthcoming about the
> relationship between Sugar Labs and OLPC.

What do you expect in such a statement?  What is the relationship in your words?

I don't know what Ed had in mind, but I'd like to see more and more
casual discussions of this on all sides.

> Two week ago you said that a statement would be forthcoming
> ...Instead, you asked one of your employees to to say that a
> statement would be coming.  Thereby putting his reputation,
> not yours, on the line.

Please assume good faith.  Your comment above assumes ill will and is,
to the best of my knowledge, misguided.

> Last week, I contacted you in regard to Fudcon planning.
> You said that you would work it out and get back to us.
> I relayed that information back to Fedora; as one would relay

We should all be talking together, no relays necessary.   Some of
these planning updates are on my plate, and I will get back with more
news tonight.  What are Sugar Labs' plans for Fudcon?  Providing more
public information on all sides will help everone, more than the
tastiest food fight.

SJ
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Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

[Samuel Klein]

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Bernie Innocenti
> Sorry if I reacted defensively, sending notifications to devel@ was
> our best practice in the good old pre-G1G1 days, but, clearly, it's no
> longer sufficient now.  Establishing procedures for notifying planned
> outages seems like a good course to me.

Agreed.  I think for the past 4 months or so, since we started to get
double our previous traffic, significant steady use of our sites by
Uruguay, and (in particular) a stronger dependence on w.l.o and l.o by
deployments and press events,
 * we no longer have 'safe' times to take services down
 * we should be extra careful to maintain mirrors or readable versions
of services durint maintenance of any sort
 * there are thousands of users who have never engaged with mailing
lists, active wiki chats, or our community, but depend on our
information and servers (wiki info, support, activation, bug tracking,
&c).


> Maybe this should be a topic in the next VIG meeting?

Definitely.

SJ
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Re: "Yay!, Bee, See" (ABC) software

[Samuel Klein]

Yes, that's a fine baseline.   As you point out, I had a hard time
with the license field; enter what you like but please do include a
full LICENSE file in the bundle that provides specific licenses (and
attribution where required), image by image.

If you download an xol file onto your xo from a webserver that has
mimetypes set properly (such as w.l.o) it should automatically install
itself into your Library/ directory.

I don't know about that page not rendering properly on an XO; what
version of Browse are you running?

SJ

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> A few questions, though:
>
> 1. Is there any reason I shouldn't start with your version 2 .xol as
> my baseline? I'd like to update it to use the new lower-resolution,
> lower-quality images (which still look just fine on the XO-1 even in
> greyscale high-resolution mode zoomed out to the 1px = 1px scale.)
>
> 2. Is there some way to install the .xol more user-friendly than just
> unzipping it into the ~/Library directory?
>
> 3. I notice that in the description on the wiki for the bundle you
> wrote "fdl text, pd, cc-by and cc-sa images". Some of the images are
> cc-by-sa and fdl, too. Also, the HTML text is actually pd (or at least
> it was in the version I released — of course you are welcome to
> license copyrighted derivative versions however you like.)
>
> 4. And finally, is there some reason the OLPC wiki does not work right
> when viewed from an XO-1? I had to go through URL-hacking contortions
> to open that page in Browse (it just said the page was empty
> otherwise.)
>
> Thanks, (and please pardon my ignorance!)
> -Ben
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  Ben --
>>
>> When you're zipping up the directory, if you add a metadata file in
>> this subpath:
>>  library/library.info
>>
>> and give the resulting zip file the extension .xol, you'll have an XO
>> library bundle.
>>
>> Here is a sample info file, with all required fields :
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Yay-bee-see-library.info
>> Note that the 'name' field in the info file should match the name of
>> the root directory.
>>
>> Our standard is to increment the version # in the metadata every time
>> you make a change; that allows tools like Sugar's software updater
>> know when there are newer versions of packages available to install.
>>
>> SJ
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> yeah, i added a 1200x900 version with more agressive JPEG compression
>>> which looks good both in color mode and in monochrome mode and is only
>>> 4 MiB or so:
>>>
>>> http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see-olpc.zip
>>>
>>> hosted version:
>>>
>>> http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see-olpc/index.html
>>>
>>> does that seem any faster?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:21, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have just joined this list and read through the archives, but could
>>>>> not find anything similar. I also didn't find mention of anything
>>>>> similar on the OLPC Wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently wrote some software for use by my daughter on her OLPC. It
>>>>> runs inside the Browse activity, either locally using a "file:" URI or
>>>>> over the network. I don't know whether it will be of interest to
>>>>> anyone else, but I have released the software to the public domain and
>>>>> packaged it along with scaled-down (1600x1200 or less) copies of some
>>>>> public-domain images and some copyrighted-but-free-to-redistribute
>>>>> images under GFDL, and various Creative Commons Attribution-Share
>>>>> Alike, Attribution, and Share Alike licenses. Individual attribution
>>>>> for each image is included in the application source code.
>>>>
>>>> Seems a great addition for the younger age range :-)
>>>>
>>>> I did notice that even on a high specced laptop (1.5Ghz, 2Gb ram, broadband
>>>> connection) the background image was very slow to display (until it had 
>>>> been
>>>> cached locally).
>>>>
>>>> One suggestion, 1600x1200 seems a bit large (even as a max size). For the
>>>> XO, 800x600 (max!) would seem to be a fair max image size to save nand 
>>>> space
>>>> and keep image quality. The XO screen is capable of 1200x900 in 
>>>> black/white,
>>>> and 800x600 seems a reasonable number for it's colour resolution abilities:
>>>>
>>>>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display
>>>>
>>>> --Gary
>>>>
>>>>> overview:
>>>>>
>>>>> I wrote some software using DHTML (JavaScript, HTML and CSS.) It's to
>>>>> help learn letters and numbers, and is intended to be used with adult
>>>>> supervision and involvement. It is fairly easy to customize it to use
>>>>> different images and support different alphabets simply by editing the
>>>>> contents of the 

Re: "Yay!, Bee, See" (ABC) software

[Samuel Klein]

 Ben --

When you're zipping up the directory, if you add a metadata file in
this subpath:
  library/library.info

and give the resulting zip file the extension .xol, you'll have an XO
library bundle.

Here is a sample info file, with all required fields :
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Yay-bee-see-library.info
Note that the 'name' field in the info file should match the name of
the root directory.

Our standard is to increment the version # in the metadata every time
you make a change; that allows tools like Sugar's software updater
know when there are newer versions of packages available to install.

SJ

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yeah, i added a 1200x900 version with more agressive JPEG compression
> which looks good both in color mode and in monochrome mode and is only
> 4 MiB or so:
>
> http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see-olpc.zip
>
> hosted version:
>
> http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see-olpc/index.html
>
> does that seem any faster?
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:21, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have just joined this list and read through the archives, but could
>>> not find anything similar. I also didn't find mention of anything
>>> similar on the OLPC Wiki.
>>>
>>> I recently wrote some software for use by my daughter on her OLPC. It
>>> runs inside the Browse activity, either locally using a "file:" URI or
>>> over the network. I don't know whether it will be of interest to
>>> anyone else, but I have released the software to the public domain and
>>> packaged it along with scaled-down (1600x1200 or less) copies of some
>>> public-domain images and some copyrighted-but-free-to-redistribute
>>> images under GFDL, and various Creative Commons Attribution-Share
>>> Alike, Attribution, and Share Alike licenses. Individual attribution
>>> for each image is included in the application source code.
>>
>> Seems a great addition for the younger age range :-)
>>
>> I did notice that even on a high specced laptop (1.5Ghz, 2Gb ram, broadband
>> connection) the background image was very slow to display (until it had been
>> cached locally).
>>
>> One suggestion, 1600x1200 seems a bit large (even as a max size). For the
>> XO, 800x600 (max!) would seem to be a fair max image size to save nand space
>> and keep image quality. The XO screen is capable of 1200x900 in black/white,
>> and 800x600 seems a reasonable number for it's colour resolution abilities:
>>
>>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display
>>
>> --Gary
>>
>>> overview:
>>>
>>> I wrote some software using DHTML (JavaScript, HTML and CSS.) It's to
>>> help learn letters and numbers, and is intended to be used with adult
>>> supervision and involvement. It is fairly easy to customize it to use
>>> different images and support different alphabets simply by editing the
>>> contents of the 

Re: "Yay!, Bee, See" (ABC) software

[Samuel Klein]

Ben,

This is brilliant!  Definitely brightened my day.
I just converted it to an xol bundle which you can try downloading...

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Yay-Bee-See-2.xol

You should create a page about it (and tell this story!) on our wiki...

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Yay-bee-see  (page not created yet :)

--SJ


On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have just joined this list and read through the archives, but could
> not find anything similar. I also didn't find mention of anything
> similar on the OLPC Wiki.
>
> I recently wrote some software for use by my daughter on her OLPC. It
> runs inside the Browse activity, either locally using a "file:" URI or
> over the network. I don't know whether it will be of interest to
> anyone else, but I have released the software to the public domain and
> packaged it along with scaled-down (1600x1200 or less) copies of some
> public-domain images and some copyrighted-but-free-to-redistribute
> images under GFDL, and various Creative Commons Attribution-Share
> Alike, Attribution, and Share Alike licenses. Individual attribution
> for each image is included in the application source code.
>
> overview:
>
> I wrote some software using DHTML (JavaScript, HTML and CSS.) It's to
> help learn letters and numbers, and is intended to be used with adult
> supervision and involvement. It is fairly easy to customize it to use
> different images and support different alphabets simply by editing the
> contents of the 

Re: garbled "Education is our Mission" page on Amazon.com/xo

[Samuel Klein]

Thanks, skier.  we have a website rt queue now for things like this :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...  SJ

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:23 PM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Congrats on the amazon.com/xo relaunch!
>
> The XO picture at amazon.com/xo links to
> http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=1243369011 and that has several
> garbled characters in place of apostrophes and some other punctuation, e.g.
>
> Children are consigned to poverty and isolation[\0x1a]just like their
> parents[\0x1a]never knowing
>
> On Windows XP, MSIE 7 displays a box, Firefox 3.1 display its "unknown
> glyph" 001A box, while Chrome just leaves out the apostrophe or dash.
> 0x001A is ASCII Ctrl-Z so I'm not sure what's going on.  I couldn't find
> an encoding in Firefox where it worked.
>
>
> Also, near the end it says
>please visit laptop.org.
> laptop.org is green (and so is the period/full stop), but it's not a
> hyperlink.  For grins, here's the HTML :-) :)
>
> please visit laptop.org.
>
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Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

[Samuel Klein]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I hope there are gobby sessions for all events, and that they are more
>> brainstorming and writing than presentation and recording video.
>
> No.  Wednesday talks are well-structured, compressed data, idea, open
> question and prototype dumps.

Ok.  I hope there are gobby sessions for all events,  well-structured
compressed data events as well as for brainstorming.

> Brainstorming is scheduled for Monday,
> Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

Lovely.

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Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

[Samuel Klein]

I hope there are gobby sessions for all events, and that they are more
brainstorming and writing than presentation and recording video.

SJ

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:07 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Does this schedule seem reasonable to others?  (Esp. those I've
>> pencilled in for talks?)  If you are going to be in town, made a 9.1
>> proposal (or forgot to), and aren't listed above, let me know.
>
> There is a lot of interest about a talk on collaboration, Brendan
> offered to lead at least part of it. Perhaps we could make it a 2
> hours slot on the other days, similar to Walter/Christian.
>
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ShoeBot (a free software DrawBot implementation) is out! Time to Sugarize some Ruby apps?

[Samuel Klein]

Shoebot, a free-software version of the awesome Mac program DrawBot
(which relies heavily Cocoa), is finished.  Thanks to David Crossland
who tipped me off to this.
   http://www.tinkerhouse.net/shoebot/
   http://tinkerhouse.net/shoebot/Docs/Screenshots

>From its getting started page:



== Shoebot from the console ==

Shoebot parses scripts written in the Nodebox/Drawbot language and
creates image output from those instructions. Running Shoebot scripts
through the console is straightforward:sbot  -o


You can specify the type of image through the output file extension:

* .svg (Scalable Vector Graphics)
* .ps (PostScript)
* .pdf (Portable Document Format)
* .png (Portable Network Graphics)

Shoebot will automagically generate the appropriate output from the
extension you specify.
For instance, to output the primitives.bot example to an SVG file, type:
   sbot /usr/share/shoebot/examples/primitives.bot -o test.svg

This is Shoebot's 'oneshot mode'. However, see also:
* WindowedMode
* Shoebot IDE
* Socketserver - control your scripts from external sources
* Python Module - run Shoebot from inside your Python scripts




It's written in Ruby, and shouldn't be so hard to sugarize... are
there any other fine Ruby programs that have jumped the XO?
A ruby emulator bundled with Hackety Hack lessons also seems like an
excellent idea.

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Re: New XO-LiveCD Version 8.2 available

[Samuel Klein]

Wolfgang -- thanks for the detailed docs!

This is super cool.  We should look for a group who could print a
large number of them for us to send out to student & other groups to
celebrate the relaunch of g1g1.

SJ

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Chris Marshall
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> A new version of the XO-LiveCD is available.
>>
>> You can download it from:
>>
>>   ftp://rohrmoser-engineering.de/pub/XO-LiveCD/XO-LiveCD_081106.iso
>>
>> This release is based on the ext3 image of the stable 8.2 branch, build 767.
>> The CD contains many activities, including all G1G1 activities.
>>
>>
>
> Great!  I look forward to trying it out.
> I've never been able to get a connection
> to this site.  Is it possible to mirror it to
> a (bzip2 compressed) copy on the wiki
> at laptop.org?
>
> --Chris
>> Main features:
>>
>>* latest stable version of the sugar desktop
>>* large and customizable collection of activities
>>* expandable language support, already included are German,
>>  French, and Spanish languages.
>>
>> This XO-LiveCD project targets the main goals:
>>
>>* Give children, students, teachers and parents
>>  the opportunity to participate and use the
>>  educational software on a common PC.
>>
>>* Demonstration of OLPC/Sugar software to non-developers, you can also
>>  start the sugar desktop on Windows, Linux or MacOS using a
>>  Virtual Machine.
>>
>>* For developers the CD provides an easy maintainable Live-System,
>>  which could be used to develop and test activities on the sugar desktop.
>>
>>
>> Further information is available in the PDF document:
>>
>>ftp://rohrmoser-engineering.de/pub/XO-LiveCD/XO-LiveCD_081106.pdf
>>
>> For discussion we invite you to join the mailing list:
>>
>>http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/livebackup-xo-cd
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>   Wolfgang Rohrmoser
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Re: Panorama activity

[Samuel Klein]

this is still one of the cooler projects people have taken on!  Jeff
K, have you gotten to try it out?  Nirav, any thoughts of another
release?   Else you (or someone who wants to maintain it) should set
up hosting for the code...

SJ

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Nirav Patel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That sounds like a much better idea.  I'll try to set up something
> like that on my webserver, though I'll have to move elsewhere if the
> activity gains any kind of popularity.  It still leaves the problem of
> the images uploading to my personal Flickr account though.  I think
> having a Panorama Collection or Set on the OLPC Flickr account would
> be nice.
>
> Also, I uploaded the pre-alpha bundle: http://eclecti.cc/files/Panorama-1.xo
>
> Nirav
>
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Brian Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Maybe one could set up a one-way upload script for this on dev (or
>> some appropriate
>> community-developed-web-services-server-of-the-future)? This script,
>> then, could handle the uploading via flickr API securely.
>>
>> Regards
>> Brian
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Re: Please unlock Activities/G1G1/8.2

[Samuel Klein]

Please update the [[Activities/Etoys (8.2)]] page if there are any 8.2
changes.  For other activity developers, make sure you have a valid
[[Activities/activityname (8.2)]] page; that is what will show up on the
g1g1 page.  The (latest) activity pages are now unlocked.

SJ

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:16 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > *bump*
> >
> > Can we do something about the still-locked pages? Since joyride is active
> > again this part needs to be opened up too.
> >
> > E.g., the 8.2 page should be made to include Activities/Etoys_(8.2)
> instead
> > of Activities/Etoys_(latest) so that we can get on with the work.
>
> SJ, can I punt this to you?
>  --scott
>
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Re: Collection (.xol) glitches

[Samuel Klein]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:47 PM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >  and hitting start
> > doesn't seem to do anything (other than triggering some disk I/O)
>
> That script had a bug, it doesn't specify a category.
>
> (Is there a general Sugar bug that if anything whatsoever goes wrong you
> get no feedback? !!)
>

More feedback would definitely be useful.   Also, if it is necessary to run
Log to see what is happening on yor system, it should be a more prominent
and actively maintianed activity.

This particular facet is partly a side effect of implementing "dont bother
the user unless absolutely necessary"which imo causes as much confusion as
it avoids.


> With that fix I was able to install a few of david's collection from the
> Web and USB.  But the Journal leaves the .xol file in
> /home/olpc/.sugar/default/data/ until it next installs something, and it
> has errors if I later try to erase the collection.  I didn't have these
> problems installing and erasing "World culture" v3; I'm not sure what
> the difference is.
>

sounds like another silent failure in the last step of the process. Canyou
post a but with specific bundles attached for reference?


>
> Could someone who knows please edit this wiki page and others like
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_a_collection for accuracy?  E.g.
>
> * Nothing except
> http://bantha.org/~kraken/olpc/bundler/makeLibraryInfo.htmlseems
>  to
> list acceptable subcategories.
>

subcats arent implemented atm, which is probably why.  I would like to have
categories and tags specifically marked for default visual grouping for all
bundles... maybe I'll put this into a metadata talk for xocamp.


> * Should the host_version be 2 these day?
>

host_version is still required to be 1 in various places.
re: the metadata discussion above, we need to define when thischanges,
andweshould at least updateit once every major release-or-api-change.



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Re: G1G1 v2 marketing: a LiveCD of 8.2.0

[Samuel Klein]

That would be a good thing to have.  I haven´t heard of plans yet, though
gregdek may have thoughts. see
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveCd#Current_efforts

Guysoft has been working on a debian-jhbuild livecd here :
http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/LiveCd
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sugar/liveimages/debian-jhbuild.iso

 SJ

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Chris Marshall
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Now that the 8.2.0 release is official, are there plans for
> a LiveCD of the same.  An ISO image bzip2 compressed
> for distribution would be a nice ad for the XO.
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Re: [sugar] 0.84/9.1 planning.

[Samuel Klein]

Does it make sense to have an afternoon or a full day about long-term
plans and their implications for immediate priorities and tests?

Try to capture topics that could be specific agenda items with their
own session or conversation -- by creating a separate thread about it
on the list, a separate wiki page about it, or by adding a session to
the draft agenda.   (thread convergence : annotation v. creation)

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1#Agenda
SJ

Ed wrote:
>  I just want to acknowledge that the "*some* piece we can do now"
> might not produce anything shippable in a 9.1 timeframe.

I'd like to see [in future cycles] a more explicit option to include
codepaths that are turned off (to make testing easier), or to suggest
for a testing sprint something that is unlikely to be 'ready to ship'
but does need the extra testing rigor for eventual completeness.


On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ed McNierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We need to figure out how to start work that takes more than 5 - 6 months
> NOW.  I'm concerned that if we start the 9.2 planning meeting "after 9.1",
> we will (yet again) discover that there's no time to do anything that takes
> more than about 5 months.  We need to break that cycle and try to figure out
> how to get the *most important* work started right away, whether that work
> is deliverable in a 9.1 timeframe, a 9.2 timeframe, or longer.
>
>> In the past we have divided tasks into "next release" and "future
>> release" where the "future" really means "never" because we don't do
>> *any* of the work in the "next release" timeframe.  That needs to
>> stop.  *Everything* we want in a "future release" must have *some*
>> piece we can do now, so that we continue to make progress on our
>> long-term goals.
>
> Yes, I very much agree with this sentiment, so I don't think we disagree
> much on the overall goals but need to reach a bit more consensus on the
> implementation details.  I just want to acknowledge that the "*some* piece
> we can do now" might not produce anything shippable in a 9.1 timeframe.  Or
> perhaps it's something shippable but not usable, so we do ship something in
> 9.1 that's really only a partial implementation so not many users need to
> know or care about it.  I'm OK with considering any approach that lets us
> start that kind of work soon.
>
>- Ed
>
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Re: [sugar] 0.84/9.1 planning.

[Samuel Klein]

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Ed McNierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would also like to stop calling this "9.1" planning.  We need to plan

Sounds like it is time for a naming contest for this [repeating]
event.  Some that have been suggested / implied:
  OLPCSW [08.11.1]
  OLPC Miniconference [2]
  XOcamp [Cambridge 2008]


> ship that as 9.1.  And we'll keep going to qualify and ship more of it in
> 9.2, and more in 10.1 (or is that 0.1??), etc.

+1(isn't that A.1 ?)

Other questions : should this be a full week, or closer to three days?
 How often is this sort of week-long meeting valuable to have?

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Re: [sugar] 0.84/9.1 planning.

[Samuel Klein]

Tomeu:
> Scott:
>> I think more like:
>>  Nov 17-20: talks and hacking
>>  Nov 21: priorities meeting, wrapup.
>>
>> I'm not the "planning committee", but this would be what I'd like to see.
>
> Works for me. Should we be concerned that talk (or aguing) might
> expand so much that there's little time to take actual decisions?
> Perhaps a strict schedule may help with this?

Yes - specific sessions with end times, for presentation and
brainstorming, as the start of future discussions.   We have other
good channels for lasting talk and arguing (like this one :)

Please suggest specific sessions or presentations you'd like to see or give:
  wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1#Proposed_talks


Marco:
> * It would be very beneficial to spend some time explaining SL
> mission and making plans on how to best decouple and integrate
> processes and infrastructure with OLPC. Perhaps Walter and I could
> give a talk about that and we would reserve a bit of time the last day
> to come up with actionable items about this aspect.

Definitely.  The first day will be given over in part to setting the
scope and expectations for the week; that would be a good time for an
initial talk about this (noting Tomeu's concern above, perhaps at the
end of the day, before dinner...).

It would also be very beneficial to spend a good bit of time at the
beginning reviewing feedback from our major deployments -- not only
peru and uruguay, which have their own full-fledged national programs
underway, but also the next tier of ten countries with thousands of
laptops in the field and specific needs, results, desires, amazements
and stumbling blocks.   I have posted a concept for an agenda on the
[[9.1]] page; please take a look, revise mercilessly, &c -- in it I
left much of tuesday for this sort of feedback.

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Re: [sugar] Give a Laptop, Change the World : G1G1 2008

[Samuel Klein]

Not yet... if someone wants to make a pdf from that page, this would
rock.  Something to discuss on Friday.  As for window manager v.
learning platform... an updated [[Glossary]] isn't a bad idea.

SJ



On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> is there anything like a poster/flyer in high resolution PDF?
>
> p.
>
> Samuel Klein wrote:
>>
>> This year's G1G1 program will start November 17 in the US.  Please
>> help us spread the word.  Below is a short email blurb about this
>> year's program ( from [[G1G1 2008/text]] ).  We are coordinating some
>> community art and outreach on the grassroots list as well
>> (http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots).
>>
>> There will be a lunch outreach meeting about G1G1 in #olpc on
>> irc.freenode.net this Friday at 1200 EST (and @ 1CC for those in the
>> area); sign up if you think you can make it, or leave your thoughts
>> about what we should cover / who we should contact / what we can do
>> better this time around:
>>  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_meetings
>>
>> For giving,
>>   SJ
>>
>> =
>>
>> One Laptop per Child is launching its second ''Give 1, Get 1'' [G1G1]
>> program starting November 17, 2008, following last year's popular
>> program which received donations from over 80,000 people.  This year
>> the XO laptops will be shipped to donors through Amazon.com.
>>
>> The laptops feature the latest release of the Sugar window manager,
>> running
>> on a Linux-based Fedora Core operating system.  For answers to frequently
>> asked questions, and for other XO giving programs, see the OLPC wiki.
>>
>>  More on G1G1 2008:  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_2008
>>  More about the XO:  http://laptop.org/en/laptop/
>>
>>
>> Photos, stories and other media from the first year's deployments are
>> available from a community media page and from the OLPC photostream.
>> If you have been involved with a deployment, please contribute your own.
>>
>>  OLPC's Flickr photostream: http://flickr.com/photos/olpc
>>  Contribute &  share media: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_media
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Give a Laptop, Change the World : G1G1 2008

[Samuel Klein]

This year's G1G1 program will start November 17 in the US.  Please
help us spread the word.  Below is a short email blurb about this
year's program ( from [[G1G1 2008/text]] ).  We are coordinating some
community art and outreach on the grassroots list as well
(http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots).

There will be a lunch outreach meeting about G1G1 in #olpc on
irc.freenode.net this Friday at 1200 EST (and @ 1CC for those in the
area); sign up if you think you can make it, or leave your thoughts
about what we should cover / who we should contact / what we can do
better this time around:
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_meetings

For giving,
   SJ

=

One Laptop per Child is launching its second ''Give 1, Get 1'' [G1G1]
program starting November 17, 2008, following last year's popular
program which received donations from over 80,000 people.  This year
the XO laptops will be shipped to donors through Amazon.com.

The laptops feature the latest release of the Sugar window manager, running
on a Linux-based Fedora Core operating system.  For answers to frequently
asked questions, and for other XO giving programs, see the OLPC wiki.

 More on G1G1 2008:  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_2008
 More about the XO:  http://laptop.org/en/laptop/


Photos, stories and other media from the first year's deployments are
available from a community media page and from the OLPC photostream.
If you have been involved with a deployment, please contribute your own.

 OLPC's Flickr photostream: http://flickr.com/photos/olpc
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Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

[Samuel Klein]

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:20:04AM -0400, elana langer wrote:
>> This is not a unique experience. This is a culture that lives close to
>> the land. Action- reaction. No one is used to "waiting" for an
>> computer to load or a bagel to toast for that matter. (of course
>> cooking takes time but they can watch as it changes form not just an
>> unmoving screen)
>>
>> In the city the experience is worse. Kids used to PCs quickly grow
>> impatient and leave the XO to find other faster computers.
>
> I think this is very interesting, as I have often heard nearly the
> opposite argument--- that because the XO is often a child's first
> computer their standards for its responsiveness will be as low as we'd
> like them to be.

This is not a compelling argument.
And we'd *like* their standards for responsiveness to be quite high.



> In my mind the fundamental problem is that users aren't required to
> fully qualify names for their work.

That's part of it.  Within the current paradigm, if one had to produce
fully qualified file and project names, and were reminded of this and
encouraged to do it at appropriate times in activity engagement, it
would make [re]discovery much easier.


> Thank you very much for your feedback and hard work!

Ditto.

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Re: "Walter Bender": Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

[Samuel Klein]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:49 AM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's no cost to OLPC to have Quanta ship the
> manufacturing data with the "disable-security" bits set.

If this is true, I'd like to see us ship g1g1 laptops with security disabled.

The one persuasive argument I have seen for /not/ doing this is that
there might be increased support costs.  As Ian mentions, and from my
own limited exposure to people requesting support, having security
turned on leads to greater support costs than having it off would.

The only people who see any support costs one way or another are the
fairly technical people who know what it means to try to update their
system.

--SJ

> You're
> ready, willing, and able to ship such laptops to any country that
> orders them that way.  Why shouldn't G1G1 users be testing *that*
> configuration?
>
> If G1G1 was aimed at fully debugging the configuration for your
> largest deployments, you'd be shipping them with Spanish keyboards and
> Spanish-language messages (and with school server install CDs).
>
> Michael:
>> P.S. - As others have suggested, please do not assume that any
>> individual on this list speaks for everyone else involved; in almost all
>> cases, they speak only for themselves (but for their clique with
>> whatever measure of authority they happen to hold).
>
> I assume the reason we're having this discussion is because the silent
> decider, whoever that is, decided (or defaulted) to jail the upcoming
> G1G1 laptops.  If not, they could end it rather quickly by merely
> announcing that our concern was merely a problem of communication.
>
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Re: "Walter Bender": Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

[Samuel Klein]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 12:07:51AM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote:
>> With that said, I would probably lean towards preferring unsecured
>> machines (with pretty boot enabled, of course).
>>
>
> Such small hassles, when repeated across hundreds of thousands of
> people, tend to eat up a lot of time.  We should be trying to save users
> this time.

As I said in June, afaic G1G1 machines should all be sent out with
developer keys.

http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/security/2008-June/000426.html

Kim made two related points:

> 1 - Assuming we get to the point where upgrading is an easy click
> from the G1G1 machine, then we want to be sure that people don't
> mistakenly load non-signed images. If you are not a developer;
> doesn't this add a level of protection that we want for 90% of G1G1
> recipients?

I don't think this is the sort of security people need -- again, those
90% aren't going to be trying updates in the first place. If we want
to add a required --security=off flag to the olpc-update command to
indicate that you recognize you are installing an unsecured build,
that's fine.


> 2 - I believe our support issues will go up significantly as people
> who have little or no experience are encouraged to download all
> sorts of untested builds with no easy way to get back to a
> working system.
> To feel better about the support issues, I would like the one-button
> push that restores a laptop to factory default.

I don't know about the former; the latter is a great idea.

These feel to me like useful things to address for 8.2.1, though not
for the initial g1g1 images.

SJ


> We'll save everyone who wants to install non-standard builds the time
> required to learn about and obtain developer keys.  We'll save the
> support costs required to process and answer all the queries about
> developer keys.  And we'll reduce the infrastructural costs of managing
> the generation of the keys.
>
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Re: New joyride build 2497

[Samuel Klein]

(I got a changelog warning when it wasn't picked up but didn't see it
right away.) SJ

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A changelog quirk.  the next joyride should have 1-30.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> wrote:
>>> http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2497
>>>
>>> Changes in build 2497 from build: 2495
>>>
>>> Size delta: 0.00M
>>>
>>> -olpc-library-common 1-29
>>> +olpc-library-common 1-21
>>
>> any reason for the large version drop?
>>
>>> --- Changes for olpc-library-common 1-21 from 1-29 ---
>>>  + updated common to include wiki searchbar and devkey/release-notes links
>>>  + removing core from /usr/share, moving to customization key
>>>  + separated the two searchbars visually and with icons
>>>  + made the laptop search more useful (all of laptop.org)
>>>
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Re: New joyride build 2497

[Samuel Klein]

A changelog quirk.  the next joyride should have 1-30.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2497
>>
>> Changes in build 2497 from build: 2495
>>
>> Size delta: 0.00M
>>
>> -olpc-library-common 1-29
>> +olpc-library-common 1-21
>
> any reason for the large version drop?
>
>> --- Changes for olpc-library-common 1-21 from 1-29 ---
>>  + updated common to include wiki searchbar and devkey/release-notes links
>>  + removing core from /usr/share, moving to customization key
>>  + separated the two searchbars visually and with icons
>>  + made the laptop search more useful (all of laptop.org)
>>
>> --
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Re: [sugar] Another pass through some basic Activity test results

[Samuel Klein]

Testing gg-763-1 earlier today, running a number of activities for an
hour. I later found that I could not restart or reboot via sugar; it
would let me select the option from the right menu, but then a
gray-circle  process appeared in the top frame and nothing would
happen.  If I quit that process and tried again, the same result.  I
haven't been able to reproduce on systems that haven't been using
activities for a while.

SJ

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> It seems that mangling occurred; however, I repaired it and have
> temporarily published the results here:
>
>   http://teach.laptop.org/~mstone/gary.txt
>
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Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

[Samuel Klein]

I wouldn't include Bridge yet.  It's great, but not complete.   I would include:

WikiBrowse
PlayGo
Frotz
Clock
GCompris Chess
GCompris Sudoku
XaoS
Moon
StarChart
ePals

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Seth Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I vote very strongly for Ruler. It's less than 20kb non-compressed!  It's
> too small *not* to include.
>
> Top Ten:
>
> 1.) Ruler
> 2.) Moon
> 3.) StarChart
> 4.) Bridge
> 5.) XaoS
> 6.) Frotz
> 7.) WikiBrowse Spanish
> 8.) Words
> 9.) Tumbleboy
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Re: Peru and Microsoft announcement

[Samuel Klein]

Hi Pia,

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Pia Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
>> This would be even more useful as the basis for an article or
>> editorial in one or more of the computer magazines or Web sites, or a
>> fact-filled press release. All of the media people I have talked with
>> say they would like to hear from OLPC.
>>
>> We don't have to frame it as us vs. them. We can just announce the
>> state of current deployments, and discuss plans for future deployments
>> and G1G1, including whatever can be said in public about the Microsoft
>> trials. Everybody wants to know what's up with the Amazon deal, too.

We could have a formulaic "please check out our latest public
announcements" email, and a list that media orgs can sign up to to
receive regular pointers to longer announcements.  Something between
the sporadic Press Release and the detailed weekly community-news
blurbs.


> I believe there is an internal newsletter, why doesn't OLPC have a monthly
> public news feed that is on the main website that talks about stuff
> happening which would give the world (and community trying to support OLPC)
> the information we all need :) The amount of times I've had people both from
> the FOSS community and the general community ask me what is going on is
> crazy, and damaging. And I'm not even on the inside, I'm just involved with
> some regional projects!

As mentioned elsewhere, we have a community-news list
(http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/community-news),  but it only goes
out to some 2000 people.  It might be valuable to have a list for
shorter, more specific announcements that includes a regular link to
the community-news archive, and any major essays or press pieces,
which we can broadcast to a much larger audience.

> If it is any help, Im sure there are many people in the community who would
> be happy to help (including me) with something like this, with keeping the
> general public and community informed in a more public fashion. There is
> generally a lot of good will towards the project around the world but real
> and positive public information is key to maintaining that good will.

This is a good point.  For instance, it would be useful to post and
wikify the community-news archives on the wiki (this would both give
them much higher google rank and help highlight red-links for a number
of efforts, deployments, or concepts that deserve public descriptions
but don't have their own page yet on our wiki).

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Re: Videochat - any status?

[Samuel Klein]

Pia,

Alex looked into this in July, I don't think much has been done with
the original videochat code since the last git commit:

http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/video-chat-activity;a=summary

SJ

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:21 AM, Pia Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a great need for the video chat application to use for remote speech
> pathology and other services to remote communities through chat. Does anyone
> know the status of this project:
>
>  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Video_Chat
>
> It looks like nothing has happened with it for several months. If there is
> anyone leading this, could they post a status of the project?
>
> Cheers,
> Pia
>
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Re: Help activity content

[Samuel Klein]

There's a bundle posted at [[Help (activity)]] you can test, but it
doesn't have the latest bits.  Seth may have an update - there was a
lot of activity over the weekend.  SJ

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> the deadline for the Help activity content was yesterday.
>
> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7526#comment:9
>
> Is it available? If not, what should we do?
>
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wireless lights on the XO : what should they do?

[Samuel Klein]

So we can control what the 'wireless' lights on the XO display / what
causes them to turn on and off.

I'd like wireless lights to indicate the volume of outgoing and
incoming wireless traffic (frequency), whether one is connected to
anything other than a local mesh (pattern within a given frequency),
and the proximity of Bono (flicker/stutter/'electrical fainting'
within a given pattern).

What would YOU like to see those lights do?

SJ
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Re: [Techteam] Weekend Report - due today

[Samuel Klein]

@bastien -- Java works fine on the XO; you should try it with specific apps.

@ Gary -- Model is very close to a new release; nudge Bobby about it :-)

SJ

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 3 Sep 2008, at 13:36, Greg Smith wrote:
>
> > Cmap tools (http://cmap.ihmc.us/) is a client server application that
> > appears to have pretty good traction in schools, mostly in South
> > America. We have a request to make it work on the XO. I exchanged some
> > e-mails with Alberto Canas (con enye) who is the main application
> > owner.
>
> ...
>
> > The first point seems solvable if they just install Java afterwards.
> > Then we don't need to worry about licenses. Its a big install but
> > probably not a deal breaker. The performance may be challenging but
> > again I think we can make it fit.
> >
> > The second point is a tougher problem. Alberto thinks they could
> > re-write the application to work with tiled windows so they all fit on
> > the XO. The other idea I have heard is that we could run an activity
> > which is X-Windows. Then you could launch this activity within that
> > one.
> > That may affect performance and would need testing. For the first idea
> > of rebuilding the Cmap tools for sugar, we would need engineers to
> > work
> > on that which brings me to the third point.
> >
> > I'm not sure what free but not open source means. I think it means
> > that
> > we can not take a snapshot of their code and fork it nor can we modify
> > it and push it back to them. We need to find a way for Alberto to hire
> > more engineers if we want them to improve the implementation for the
> > XO.
> >
> > The only good idea so far is the X-windows in Sugar idea.
> >
> > I'm open to other suggestions on this. Questions and comments
> > welcome too.
> >
> > I know of one opportunity in Latin America which is being held up by
> > this. There may be more in the future, we'll see. The pedagogical
> > specialists here tell me that concept maps are pretty hot in education
> > right now. They also pointed me to a commercial tool which some
> > schools
> > use: http://www.inspirationsoftware.com/
> >
> > Does anyone know of an open source solution in this area?
>
> I'm a bit of a mindmapper/diagrammer type. If you're looking for free
> and Open Source you want to look at freemind. It's very competitive vs
> the commercial mapping tools and also supports a number of external
> file formats, it's another Java app so would need that extra install.
>
>http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>
> The other tool worth a poke is the more general purpose graphviz, also
> free and Open Source, it's command line but there are some GUI's out
> there also. Could be a very nice Activity to wrap a simple GTK GUI
> around the tool chain:
>
>http://www.graphviz.org/
>
> Also want to point you to the Model activity if you've not tried it.
> It's rough and incomplete at my last testing, but seems to be a
> potentially interesting diagramming tool. The wiki talks of "easily
> sketch and simulate system dynamics models" which seemed a pretty
> scary opening paragraph – I'd be happy with just a good diagramming
> tool :-) Dev work seems to have gone quiet :-(
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Model
>
> > If the customers want cmap tools, my first choice is to make that
> > work.
> > That's what I'm focusing on right now albeit lower priority than
> > shipping 8.2 :-).
>
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Re: updating OLPC_{Region} pages, with a payoff

[Samuel Klein]

I definitely like the idea of a G1G1 deployment page.SJ

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:48 PM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Summary: people who know about deployments, please update the pages in
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Deployments
>
> (Is there's a better e-mail list for deployments?)
>
> I added deployment data and a timeline of deliveries to Gregs's status
> in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments .  It's interesting and
> motivating IMO.
>
> It queries deployment pages (using Francesca/femslade's work) for the
> info.  So if you know more about a deployment, please update its
> OLPC_{Region} page using its [edit] or [edit with form] tab, or you can
> privately e-mail me the info and I'll do it.
>
> Should there be an OLPC_G1G1 page for the G1G1 "deployment"?
>
> Cheers,
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Re: Project Name: olpc-bundler has been set up

[Samuel Klein]

> It's POSIX style rather than J2EE style :-)
>

(-:

Perhaps we need POSIX style documentation to go with it...
Or just something like the libc docs...
  http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/index.html

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Re: Project Name: olpc-bundler has been set up

[Samuel Klein]

There isn't an api for activity authors; however /home/olpc/Library (like
/home/olpc/Activities) and subdirs are world-readable, so there probably
should be.

SJ

2008/8/13 Erik Blankinship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Is there an api or examples for how other activity authors can use these
> bundles?
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Andres Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> It's one of the lesser know cool things in the XO:
>>
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Library_grid
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_a_collection
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> 2008/8/13 Erik Blankinship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> What do you with a library bundle?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 You throw a directory of content of some kind at it and it automates the
 creation of a library bundle.

 On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 05:03:07PM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote:
 > what will olpc bundler do?
 >
 > bobby
 >
 > 2008/8/13 Henry Edward Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 > > Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:48:10 -0400, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:
 > >
 > > May we please have a shared git repo named "olpc-bundler" for me
 (erik),
 > > sj, and mako?
 > >
 > > Done. Your tree is here:
 > > git+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/git/projects/olpc-bundler
 > >
 > > Please follow instructions here for importing your project:
 > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Importing_your_project
 > >
 > > Let us know if you have any problems with your tree. Happy hacking.
 > >
 > > Cheers,
 > >
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Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

[Samuel Klein]

+1

There are some activities clustered together here from the list of git
projects:
http://dev.laptop.org/~sj/git-list.txt

SJ

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Bastien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Any follow-up on the idea of having a precise list of maintainers for
> all Sugar activities?  Even just the email address from the git repo
> would be nice.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > What I find interesting is that as well areas where contributions are
> > quite easy to do (Activities) have really stagnated. At the moment we
> > lack maintainers for most of them. Browse, Pippy, Chat, Terminal and
> > Etoys are well covered because they are maintained by core people.
>
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Re: [Server-devel] Testing EduBlog

[Samuel Klein]

Yes, a slideshow would be good. (with a link to a demo for anyone who wants
to test on their own :-)

SJ

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Tarun Pondicherry <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi SJ,
>
> I'll put it up on the wiki.  The live version is still a bit volatile, is a
> video or slideshow okay?  Otherwise, I'll transfer the latest stable to the
> main site for you to give a live demo.
>
> Thanks,
> Tarun
>
> Samuel Klein wrote:
>
>> I'd like to show off the state of the edublog this Friday over lunch --
>> Tarun, is there a short 3-minute demo that you'd like me to give?
>>
>> SJ
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Pablo,
>>
>>Looks good! Thanks for helping us clarify the final steps before
>>Beta and for lining up the beta sites!
>>
>>I copied in the server list and I'll let Tarun comment on any that
>>he can address.
>>
>>My only comment is that I would like to make it work without login
>>needed by students but we can solve that later if its not ready in
>>the first pass.
>>
>>Also for Tarun et al. Pablo is creating a home page with doc on
>>EduBlog for the beta: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog
>>
>>If we can easily update browse-new (maybe browse-new2?) to use
>>that as its home page it will facilitate making this easy.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Greg S
>>
>>Pablo Flores wrote:
>>
>>I've just done a test sequence on EduBlog and have a lot of
>>comments and
>>questions, so let's start step by step...
>>
>>*Creating a new blog
>>*
>>
>>  - The login page isn't in spanish
>>  - I'm not sure how to manage users with EduBlog I think
>>we should
>>  start a wiki page to start documenting (and discussing it).
>>Volunteers? :-)
>>  - In the "Adding a new OU blog" form, I can't access the
>>"Manage Remote
>>  Blogs" button, it takes me to a page that says "Sorry, but
>>you do not
>>  currently have permissions to do that
>>([[oublog:manageremoteblogs]]) More
>>  information about this
>>error<http://docs.moodle.org/en/error/moodle/nopermissions>".
>>  *
>>  - It would be better if some options could be hidden, like
>>"Common module
>>
>>  settings".
>>
>>*New blog post*
>>
>>  - From the moodle interface, I couldn't upload any picture.
>>I could use
>>  the other interface (
>>
>> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/editpost.php?blog=2
>> ),
>>  but with this one I cannot select the blog to post to. *
>>  - I tried to upload a Write document, but I couldn't from
>>any of the
>>  interfaces (am I doing right? I tried to upload the file as
>>an image).
>>
>>I marked with * the points I find more important.
>>
>>I also would like to summarize some points of how the daily
>>work would be.
>>Let's see...
>>
>>  - First of all, the teacher will have to get a user and
>>password for the
>>  system.
>>  - The teacher creates a new blog using the interface
>>
>> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublog&type=&course=2§ion=0&return=0
>><
>> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublog&type=&course=2§ion=0&return=0
>> >
>>  - All of her children have to get a user and password.
>>  - Then, the teacher can propose some work to be done, for
>>which children
>>  will have to make their posts to the blog. To do so,
>>children will have to
>>  access to the blog page (the moodle one), and click on "New
>>blog post".
>>  - As children submit their posts, the teacher will be able
>>to see them in
>>  the blog page. Children will only see their own posts and
>>the ones already
>>  approved by the teacher. Question: How can a child know if
>>his post was
>>  approved?
>>  - The approved posts will go public, depending on the
>>configuration: If
>>  there is a remote blog configured (blogspot for instance),
>>they will appear
>>  there. If it's local only, it will be seen by others,
>>depending on the
>>  visibility configuration of the blog.
>>
>>All agree with this?
>>
>>Saludos,
>>Pablo Flores
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar (kid contributions)

[Samuel Klein]

Great idea...  Robson had a similar one.   SJ

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Bastien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > you can't just "share a file", you have to share an "activity", ...
>
> Right.
>
> Idea for a new activity: Candy Bag.  You open a bag (i.e. you launch the
> CandyBag activity), then you put journal entries in it, then sharing
> this activity means that your friends can grab a candy in your bag.
>
> > If we want the kids who *love* their machines to come to *know* and
> > *evolve* their machines, there's a lot more work to be done.
>
> Let's not lose the focus of making the *teachers* love the machines.
> And let's don't see children as small "hackus homunculus"!  :)
>
> --
> Bastien
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Programming environments on the XO

[Samuel Klein]

There has been talk about expanding Pippy to support a variety of
programming languages, perhaps as plugins; to add syntax highlighting; and
general interest in seeing Develop proceed.  Syntax highlighting in Write
has been brought up as well.  C and Javascript environments have been
specifically highlighted, since C is used for a fair bit of code that we
ship; but enthusiasts of Ruby and many other languages have considered
providing an intro dev environment as a standalone activity, one per
language.  And HTML creation is possible in Write but without highlighting,
and it is not obvious how to put this to good use.

Finally, we now have activities for Etoys (Squeak), Scratch, and Turtle Art,
but not yet a Logo activity; though a few people are working on the latter.

Where are we with these developments?  What plans are there to complete any
of the above this year?  What specific features should we schedule to
support the above, and which is most important?

SJ
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Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

[Samuel Klein]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Version (activity_version) is just some sortable entity to be agreed
>
>  In other words, let us do the same thing that rpm and dpkg do.
>
> It gives you both more expressive power, and a stupid "1.1.0.9z is
> older than 2.0-alpha" cmp function for whenever you need it.
>

Right on.SJ.
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