Re: Notes from an impromptu 8.2.1 Release Mtg.

2009-01-31 Thread genesee

Wifi is fine and dandy now that I updated to build staging-25 and firmware
Q2E30. Weird seeing 'pretty boot' again. Sorry I never filed a ticketI'm
ashamed to not know if my AP is WEP or WPA, (it's a cable
modem-router-thingy SMC model SMC8014WG-SI)...how can I find out?



For myself, I wanted to connect a staging-21 system to a wireless 
AP, but *could not* - no matter what I tried.  [When I tried build 
767 with the identical hardware and setup, it connected easily.] 
Ticket #9222 has been written about the WEP problem.  I wrote 

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Re: File bugs, don't fix 'em.

2009-01-07 Thread genesee

Whoa, now! I didn't mean to open a can of worms...

I searched Trac quite a while ago about this and was only reminded by Mikus'
post and foolishly decided to add my 2 cents worth. See what happens when I
reply? The 'official' Forum would be a better venue for my input if there
was more activity there, (the 'News Forum is brutal, slow, ugly and useless
on my xo). The politics and dynamics of olpc v. sugarlabs v. foss v.
University of Oregon Fighting Ducks v. G1G1 has never been clear to me. I
have learned which authors to pay attention to on the lists. Walter, of
course, is my hero. Funny, can't recall a single post by NN? Some I pursue
and trust are Mikus, cscott, Tomeu, Michael Stone, skierpage, AuntiMame,
whatshisface at S.F. State and a few others. Hate to see y'all bickering.
You guys rock!

Sure there is something wrong...but it is always thus. Is the Media Lab
Vallhalla? Was PARC heaven on earth? Is Xanadu, well, Xanadu? (btw, where
the hell is Ted Nelson and why isn't he here?)



Tomeu Vizoso-2 wrote:
 
 I don't know why I'm discussing this here, but anyway.
 
 If someone is giving as much as it's in his hands and even then it's
 not enough but that guy chooses to keep going instead of jumping ship,
 is it fair to throw shit at him for not being able to give more? Even
 more when you probably have no idea about which other responsibilities
 that person has apart from fixing and filing bugs.
 
 OLPC has very high and noble goals and their employees and contractors
 are working as much as they can despite the ridiculous amount of
 resources available. Even if some of them are working in a project
 that you don't like, is it really fair to picture them as slackers in
 front of all the people?
 
 Is this just obvious to me? Or are there other people that think that
 OLPC troubles are due to their workers being incompetent and/or lazy?
 
 Regards,
 
 Tomeu
 
 On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 18:01, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote:
 Frustration aside, the purpose and responsibility of management is to
 stay on top of bugs, push people to comment on and fix them, etc.

 It certainly should not be the users' responsibility.  Programmers
 typically don't have the high level appreciation for the project
 status and goals to be able to triage and prioritize, and it also
 takes a lot of their time.

 So in the case where we are frustrated that a bug isn't getting dealt
 with, we should be bugging Greg, and he should be bugging Eben :)

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Re: Will OLPC survive 2009 ? Half of OLPC laid off, others get salary cuts. Sugar development stops at OLPC

2009-01-07 Thread genesee

Judging by my Google Alert for 'olpc', the whole thing failed in early 2008!
Whoever is the OLPC Steve Jobs might could use a John Sculley.
Seriously, I feel for the OLPC folks and wish them the best. This past
October I had to take a demotion/pay cut at my crappy retail job or join the
unemployment lines. Glad I did G1G1 in 2007, ain't no way I could afford it
this time around.
 

Ton van Overbeek wrote:
 
 Have you seen the blog entry
 http://blog.laptop.org/2009/01/07/refocusing-on-our-mission/ ?
 See also
 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090107-olpc-downsizes-half-of-its-staff-cuts-sugar-development.html
 and all
 the other blogs (engadget, gizmodo, pc world, ...).
 
 It does not look very good.
 Sugar seems to be now completely left to Sugar Labs,
 support for the large deployments is outsourced/spun off, etc.
 I have no idea what this means for the ongoing work for 8.2.1 and 9.1
 and how this will affect XO-camp.
 
 For everybody at OLPC affected I wish you all the best for the future and
 I hope the original OLPC ideas will survive in one form or an other.
 
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Re: New staging build 8

2009-01-06 Thread genesee

Same here. Trouble getting wifi connected, too. Neighborhood view was still
there, not missing like with NM7 in joyride a while back, (I am avoiding
joyride until there's a candidate). My access point would blink for a while,
then ask for my passphrase, then blink for a while, then ask etc...never
turning solid. Discarding network settings in cp and rebooting did not help.
Ended up going back to build 7 which works just as well as 767 or 790. 
btw, olpc-update could not find build 790.

genesee

PS - It's 2009 and I still don't have a hovercar.

 

Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
 
 So far, with staging build 8, I've had to press ctl-alt-F2 every 
 time I've done a shutdown (for shutdown to overcome hanging).
 
 For me, shutdown on staging build 7 consistently completed normally, 
 without me having to use ctl-alt-F2.
 
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Re: automatic reminder of 'software update' when installing a new build

2009-01-06 Thread genesee

If your friend had waited, (while the xo first looks for a mesh, three times,
then connects wifi), then hits 'try again' the updater would work. Is there
a way to set the default for what the xo looks for to connect with on start
up? After booting, if I go in Neighborhood view and select my access point
before the mesh search cycle is done, the 'looking for a mesh' keeps
blinking forever while my wifi is solid. If I let the mesh search run it's
course, (while I'm doing something else ...it takes a few minutes), then
there's just my solid wifi circle in my frame. 

genesee



Eben Eliason-2 wrote:
 
 On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
 Visited a friend, and helped him install a new build in his XO.  The
 first time the new build completed booting, he was presented with an
 action bar (to request software update) near the top of Home View.

 It so happened that the XO had not automatically connected to my
 friend's wireless AP - but he did not realize this.  Being
 well-meaning, he clicked the rightmost button ('Check now') in the
 action bar -- there was some software processing and then a Could
 not access the network message -- he needed to exit through Control
 Panel to get back to Home View (and never saw the action bar again).


 The software update facility assumes that a connection to the
 network is already available when it gets to run.  If conditions are
 such that the network connection has *not* been set up when booting
 completes, should the action bar to request software update still
 be automatically presented as the first thing the user sees ?
 
 Good question.
 
 Perhaps the cleanest option is to have the chunk of code which
 displays the dialog check for a network connection first, and short
 circuit when one isn't found.  In this manner, the update alert will
 only appear when a connection is available in the first place.
 Chances are good that most people using the laptops will get online
 sooner than later anyway.
 
 - Eben
 
 
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Re: Installing Flash on the OLPC

2008-12-31 Thread genesee

Dear =S Page,

As the social analog of town drunk on this list, I am flattered as hell to
be lumped in with the smart set!

¡Gracias!
   genesee


S Page-2 wrote:
 
 you're just making the smart smarter still.
 

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Re: Installing Flash on the OLPC

2008-12-29 Thread genesee

Back in build 656 AF9 did battle with gnash. yum remove gnash did the trick
in Terminal. Now with build 767 or 790 AF10 and gnash have been quite civil,
none of those stacked duplicate screens or the like.

Of course you do, Scott! Some of your best work yet. Very clear and easy to
follow. Still, I'm sticking with Browse until Firefox is more Sugar
friendly...unless Browse becomes more Firefox like? 

Mozilla nature is Buddha nature-graffitti in the bathroom at work.


C. Scott Ananian-3 wrote:
 
 I recommend using Firefox and following the instructions at
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Firefox, for what it's worth.
  --scott
 
 

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Re: New Browse ready for Emilianio?

2008-12-24 Thread genesee

Howdy,

The back (left arrow) and forward (right arrow) and stop/resume buttons
don't work in Browse 101 on 767. Also get 'page not found' for perfectly
good addresses. 

¡Humbug!
 genesee


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Re: xo activity idea

2008-12-03 Thread genesee

I would love an ubiquitous spellchecker. Maybe in 9.1? Goodness knows I nedd
one. Never got the spellcheck to work in the 'full' cmd-N AbiWord, (AKA
Write's slightly smarter older brother). Might be a good jumping off point?
BTW, would also die for a Sugar svg program to make my own xoguy or icons
etc...



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Re: Home

2008-11-16 Thread genesee

Is mkdir -p /home/root good enough, (for government work)?

 mikus wrote:
   I notice that Joyride on the XO no longer has a /root directory -

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Re: sugar 0.83 in joyride

2008-11-10 Thread genesee

Aw, you're no fun! Since first upgrading from 656 to Update 2, there is no
turning back. 
Warnings are so droll. So far nothing in joyride has been fatal. Not getting
rid of me so easy!


Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 
 
 Genesee: If your XO is your only computer, then please don't use
 joyride at all. Developers need a place where to break everything
 (including all data in the laptop) in order to do their job, and that
 place is now joyride.
 
 All: seems like we have failed to explain what can be expected from
 joyride builds. How can we better warn of the breakage that joyride
 builds can cause?
 
 

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Re: sugar 0.83 in joyride

2008-11-09 Thread genesee



Daniel Drake-5 wrote:
 
 We're mid-way through the upgrade to sugar-0.83. And even when that's
 done, there will be mucho breakage (see Tomeu's earlier post).
 
 I think joyride will break often over the course of the next few
 months as development runs in full swing.
 
 Thanks for letting us know anyway.
 

Sure thing! BTW, olpc-update is now broken due to NM issues and /versions
has no alt build files, just current. 
yum update wants NM 0.6 here and NM 0.7 there. What the...?
This domino breakage is the worst yet. What next? Will my xo 'brick'?
Whatever that is, I don't want to find out as the xo is my ONLY computer.
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olpc-update SNAFU

2008-11-09 Thread genesee

Got this when I tried to olpc-update to the last joyride build that I know
didn't break Neighborhoods view and wifi, 2515, (also the last one from
Build Announcer),
$ sudo olpc-update -f joyride-2515
Downloading contents of build joyride-2515.
Updating to version hash 65ba68f3314d313d744eefc67a8439b1
Deleting old incomplete update tmp.o0FyJj
Trying rsync update from rsync://updates.laptop.org/build-joyride-2515
 - Fetching contents.
 - Performing full rsync.
 - Cleaning up (trac #5051)
Verifying update.
/usr/sbin/olpc-contents-verify: error while loading shared libraries:
libicui18n.so.36: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
No more update methods to try.

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Re: sugar 0.83 in joyride

2008-11-08 Thread genesee


Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 
 Had to install these two from F9:
 
 NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.11.svn4175.fc9.i386.rpm
 NetworkManager-glib-0.7.0-0.11.svn4175.fc9.i386.rpm
 
 

Howdy, 

NetworkManager-0.7 and/or NetworkManager-glib killed my Neigborhood view.
After 'olpc-update' to joyride-2532, 'yum update' upgraded NetworkManager to
0.7 and installed NetworkManager-glib. There was no wifi connectivity at
all. Just my xo-guy in Neighborhood view, no Software updates connection, no
radio icon in the frame, no Browse, and in Terminal the prompt read
'localhost', (no wget or yum or olpc-update of course). This time I thought
I went too far. Nothing has scared me like this, (the 'root' fix early in
Update 2 was over my head but worked with no side effects). Reverted to
Build 767, Sugar 0.82.1, Firmware Q2E22. All is well with the Stable Build.
Tried 2532 again with the same results. The moral of this cautionary tale is
my reach exceeded my grasp. Glad 767 survived. Not messing with joyride
until I can downgrade NetworkManager, which I have not the foggiest notion
how to do. Searched Trac and the wiki for how to do it myself, but did not
find the relevant info.

¡Gracias!
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Re: Status of Joyride

2008-10-31 Thread genesee

joyride-2522 updated, rewrote firmware Q2E20, rebooted fine the first
time...then hung up on 2nd reboot, (after removing gnash and installing
flash). Now I get this with olpc-update joyride-2522 (and joyride-2521 and
767): 

$ sudo olpc-update joyride-2522 -r
Downloading contents of build joyride-2522.
Updating to version hash 33542d9baeb32f1837a869db81f5446d
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/sbin/olpc-update, line 209, in module
if __name__ == '__main__': main ()
  File /usr/sbin/olpc-update, line 75, in main
olpc_update(options, args)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bitfrost/update/setup.py, line 68,
in new_f
return f(*args, **kwds)
  File /usr/sbin/olpc-update, line 206, in olpc_update
force=options.force, poweroff=options.poweroff)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bitfrost/update/setup.py, line 99,
in new_f
return f(*args, **kwds)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bitfrost/update/setup.py, line 68,
in new_f
return f(*args, **kwds)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bitfrost/update/setup.py, line
326, in perform_update
clean_versions(report, partitioned, cur_hash, new_hash)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bitfrost/update/setup.py, line
180, in clean_versions
assert len(f)  0 and '.' not in f # defensive programming.
AssertionError

¿Help? I have reverted to joyride-2515. Alarming that olpc-update won't even
work with 767. Did I make the stream mad?



Chris Ball-8 wrote:
 
 
 Joyride's back now.  joyride-2520 contains the queued-up userspace
 changes, and joyride-2521 is the first build with a master-branch
 kernel which is based on 2.6.27 -- please do file bugs if you see
 any odd kernel behaviors.  I've checked that both the kernel and
 sugar boot successfully on 2521.
 
 Thanks,
 
 - Chris.
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Re: 9.1 Proposal: Printing support

2008-10-21 Thread genesee


I also suspect that many of the G1G1 users will have a Linux machine 
available.

Well, not this G1G1 user. Nor do I have access to a mac or a pc or a lan. I
figure when the day comes that I must print something from my xo, I'll have
to put it on a thumb drive and take it to a Kinko's or an internet cafe'.
Not at all sure how that will work out. Talk about your 'paperless office'!
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Re: 9.1 Proposal: Printing support

2008-10-21 Thread genesee



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 while since you also don't have a printer this doesn't apply to you (other 
 than the 'print to the journal/file' option)
 
truewhy would I buy a printer for my computer that does not support
printing? how about getting tivo without a teevee? or 'triple a' without a
car? there are quality printers for not a huge sum, with wifi even. if my xo
worked with one I would buy it. if you don't want input from this G1G1 user
then I'll shut up.


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Re: 9.1 Proposal: Improving antitheft

2008-10-17 Thread genesee

Yes, please! If you stick it in a joyride build I would love to try a s-c-p
security feature.

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Re: Flash Tests

2008-10-03 Thread genesee

Oops...sorry about the case sensitive gaffetry sudo yum update -x
package name. Sudo Yum Update? Not so much.


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Re: Flash Tests

2008-10-01 Thread genesee


Carlos Nazareno wrote:
 
 Now the worst part is that now I can't
 yum update
 
 says I'm missing network dependencies :-/
 
 :(
 
 -Naz
 

Howdy,

Try Sudo Yum Update -x package name where package name is whichever one
that is missing dependencies. If one package won't yum update then none in
the queue will yum update. Same in Yumex, only prettier. It's
NetworkManager-glib on my xo running joyride-2500. Sudo yum update -x
NetworkManger-glib works for me. 
Have you done the RPM-GPG-KEY patch since the recent Fedora server problems?
Dunno, might help.
BTW, Flash = slow with no sound, (Gnash not fit for duty at all). 

¡Gracias!
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Re: release 8.2 build 762 still has olpc-update manifest failure at line 383 problem

2008-09-23 Thread genesee

Howdy,
The line 383  localtime error went away around joyride-2344 or so and has
stayed away. BTW, olpc-update has been fast and clean for a number of
updates. The new build gets updated the first try without doing the 'dirty'
download and install thing. Whatever y'all did is muy bueño.

I am not your target user, a child, nor am I part of the Cambridge brain
trust, an egghead. I am a G1G1 unreconstructed Southern California hippie
that has been updating from joyride to joyride, (no signed or candidate
builds), since about joyride-2276. It's addictive. I'm up to joyride-2472
right now and will probably update later today once the new build
announcements slow down, (after bedtime in Boston?).

¡Gracias!
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Making persistent changes

2008-09-13 Thread genesee
Howdy,
I would like my two favorite yum packages, mc and gnubg, survive olpc-update.
Making persistent changes as per http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Yum does
not work for me, (CL1, Build joyride-2436, Sugar 0.82.1, Firmware
Q2E17).
Then, as root:
# yum install yum-utils
Then, as the olpc user:
$ mkdir -p /home/olpc/.custom/rpms
$ cd /home/olpc/.custom/rpms
$ yumdownloader --resolve pkgname
$ rpm -Uvh *.rpm
This happens:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ su -l
su: warning: cannot change directory to /root: No such file or directory
-bash-3.2# yum install yum-utils
Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 - Updates Newkey
Finished
Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386
Finished
Excluding Packages from OLPC development repository, based on koji tag
dist-olpc3-devel.
Finished
Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - i386 - Updates
Finished
Setting up Install Process
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
-- Running transaction check
--- Package yum-utils.noarch 0:1.1.16-1.fc9 set to be updated
-- Processing Dependency: yum = 3.2.19 for package: yum-utils
-- Finished Dependency Resolution
yum-utils-1.1.16-1.fc9.noarch from updates-newkey has depsolving problems
-- Missing Dependency: yum = 3.2.19 is needed by package
yum-utils-1.1.16-1.fc9.noarch (updates-newkey)
Error: Missing Dependency: yum = 3.2.19 is needed by package
yum-utils-1.1.16-1.fc9.noarch (updates-newkey)

Yikes! No root directory? Missing Dependency?
Help?

Also, is there a way to make Adobe Flash survive olpc-update? While
Flash does not get wiped, rpm -i
flash-plugin-9.0.124.0-release.i386.rpm
needs to be done before Browse knows it's there.

¡Gracias!
   genesee
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Re: joyride 2369 - yum fails with key error

2008-09-01 Thread genesee


The patch in Ticket 8125 works for joyride-2370. Would you alert us in which
build yum will work without the workaround?
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