Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 - Build11
Hi, just a clarification: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:41, Yuan Chao yuanc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net wrote: 2GB SD card in my XO, and I have Firefox on it. I installed the ePubReader plug-in for Firefox. This runs nicely and allows you to view eBooks in ePub format, which is the up-and-coming open format for books. You can This comes back to an old issue: though the browser activity on XO is based on xulRunner, which is of the same engine as Firefox, it doesn't support plug-ins. I recall there were some efforts been done, but not sure what's the latest progress? Browse does support all plugins that Firefox supports. What you might be meaning is extensions (addons). Depending on what extends a particular extension, it can work in Browse. If the extension extends mechanics not specific to Firefox (such as Google Gears) then it will work in Browse as well. If it extends functionality only in Firefox, then it won't work in Browse. Some info on extensions: http://blog.tomeuvizoso.net/2009/05/installing-mozilla-addons-in-sugars.html There were some efforts to use webkit as Browser activity back-end, also no progress afterwards? My understanding is that every time that work on a Webkit backend has restarted, the measured benefits haven't been so big because all the major browser are playing catch up with each other. If someone could clearly articulate the benefits of switching to webkit, maybe we could do it one day. Regards, Tomeu BTW, with the rotation bug fixed, I noticed that the Browser (and Firefox) activity do respect the screen orientation such that the cursor keys are rotated. It's also a bit un-natural that the game buttons doesn't rotate the page up/down mappings. However, for 90 and 270 degree orientation, the cursor key mapping are in wrong parity, while it's correct for 0 and 180 degree. Where should I issue this bug? system or activity? BTW, have you tried 'yum install fbreader'? On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:14 PM, rihowa...@gmail.com rihowa...@gmail.com wrote: Some quick observations on F11 for the XO-1 - Build11. ... stuff deleted here Gnome Desktop mode: In previous builds Midori was used as the web browser in gnome now Firefox is being pulled in. Is this an intentional change or a side effect of changing the build system? Midori is general considered to use less resources than Firefox. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Best regards, Yuan Chao ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 - Build11
My understanding is that every time that work on a Webkit backend has restarted, the measured benefits haven't been so big because all the major browser are playing catch up with each other. If someone could clearly articulate the benefits of switching to webkit, maybe we could do it one day. Considering the F11 builds, currently webkit is already available. I add various packages to the builds I install, in order to be able to run selected non-Sugar applications. For a long time, webkit dependencies were among the packages I was adding. But in both os108 and os11, those packages have been included in the build itself. To try out the Webkit backend, use 'yum install midori'. Surf-106.xo also uses the Webkit backend (though Surf has only limited function). mikus p.s. To me, midori appears equivalent to Browse in rendering - but its header lines take more room on my XO screen than the Browse header lines. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 - Build11
yuan wrote: BTW, with the rotation bug fixed, I noticed that the Browser (and Firefox) activity do respect the screen orientation such that the cursor keys are rotated. It's also a bit un-natural that the game buttons doesn't rotate the page up/down mappings. However, for 90 and 270 degree orientation, the cursor key mapping are in wrong parity, while it's correct for 0 and 180 degree. Where should I issue this bug? system or activity? this sounds like a bug i fixed a while ago in olpc-kbdshim, but maybe something has been dropped along the way. the problem was that in the F9-based XO-1 releases, the xrandr command caused the screen to rotate in the wrong direction, but no one really noticed, and the code that controls the rotation simply adapted. with F11, X11 changed, and old user-level code now does the wrong thing. what version of olpc-kdbshim package is installed on this release? from the logs, version 8-1 should have the fix. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 - Build11
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net wrote: Here are my some minor thoughts. My thoughts about Firefox. Even if it uses more resources than Midori, it's worth the extra bytes. I am running Xubuntu (Teapot edition) from a I think so too. Especially that the Midori on OS10 breaks on Google Reader. I'm wondering if the one comes with OS11 have it fixed? 2GB SD card in my XO, and I have Firefox on it. I installed the ePubReader plug-in for Firefox. This runs nicely and allows you to view eBooks in ePub format, which is the up-and-coming open format for books. You can This comes back to an old issue: though the browser activity on XO is based on xulRunner, which is of the same engine as Firefox, it doesn't support plug-ins. I recall there were some efforts been done, but not sure what's the latest progress? There were some efforts to use webkit as Browser activity back-end, also no progress afterwards? BTW, with the rotation bug fixed, I noticed that the Browser (and Firefox) activity do respect the screen orientation such that the cursor keys are rotated. It's also a bit un-natural that the game buttons doesn't rotate the page up/down mappings. However, for 90 and 270 degree orientation, the cursor key mapping are in wrong parity, while it's correct for 0 and 180 degree. Where should I issue this bug? system or activity? BTW, have you tried 'yum install fbreader'? On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:14 PM, rihowa...@gmail.com rihowa...@gmail.com wrote: Some quick observations on F11 for the XO-1 - Build11. ... stuff deleted here Gnome Desktop mode: In previous builds Midori was used as the web browser in gnome now Firefox is being pulled in. Is this an intentional change or a side effect of changing the build system? Midori is general considered to use less resources than Firefox. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Best regards, Yuan Chao ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 - Build11
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 03:50, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net wrote: My thoughts about Firefox. Even if it uses more resources than Midori, it's worth the extra bytes. I am running Xubuntu (Teapot edition) from a 2GB SD card in my XO, and I have Firefox on it. I installed the ePubReader plug-in for Firefox. This runs nicely and allows you to view eBooks in ePub format, which is the up-and-coming open format for books. You can get free ePub eBooks from several free sites, including books.google.com, www.feedbooks.com/publicdomain, and gutenberg.org. Project Gutenberg plain text files can be read on the XO in Sugar using the Read ETexts activity, but that activity says Read Etexts is similar to the original Read activity, but instead of PDFs this activity works with the plain text files created for Project Gutenberg. Plain text versions are inferior to the nicely formatted ePub books. Just for the record, it's the Read activity which supports ePub files. http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/2009/06/18/read-and-epub-and-beyond/ Regards, Tomeu To get the ePubReader plugin, all you do is go to Tools Add-ons Get Add-ons in Firefox and search for ePubReader. It even updates itself when new releases of the plug-in come out. Xubuntu doesn't use Gnome, but instead uses Xfce the light-weight window manager. I would rather give up Gnome's bulk than leave out Firefox. One thing little annoying thing about using the ePubReader on my XO system -- the directional buttons next to the screen don't work (aren't recognized) so I can't turn the screen into tablet mode and still be able to navigate page turns. Does anyone know an easy way to map these keys into up, down, forward, and backward keys? It's been a long time since I played around with keymapping in Linux. Stan Sokolow On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:14 PM, rihowa...@gmail.com rihowa...@gmail.com wrote: Some quick observations on F11 for the XO-1 - Build11. ... stuff deleted here Gnome Desktop mode: In previous builds Midori was used as the web browser in gnome now Firefox is being pulled in. Is this an intentional change or a side effect of changing the build system? Midori is general considered to use less resources than Firefox. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 - Build11
I've searched the activities at sugarlabs.org for anything about ePub. The only hit to epub is the Newberry activity, which says it requires FBReader, but a search for FBReader comes up empty other than this reference to it. Where is a sugarized version of FBReader available for easy installation? Stan == On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:36 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.netwrote: I wasn't aware of that development effort to add ePub format to the capabilities of Read. According to SugarLabs web site, Read does not yet support ePub: Read is an ebook reader based on Evince. It can display PDF and single page TIFF documents. The link you gave to a blog seems to show good progress, but more needing to be done. Is the working still continuing? Where can I get a beta version with ePub support to try? On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: ... Just for the record, it's the Read activity which supports ePub files. http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/2009/06/18/read-and-epub-and-beyond/ Regards, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 - Build11
Some quick observations on F11 for the XO-1 - Build11. I have applied the Virtual 1200 900 fix from http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9590 and the screen rotate button now works in both Sugar an Gnome. Sugar Desktop mode: I found with this build if I turn off the Radio from the control panel I can not get it to turn back on. Also the wording is confusing. It is unclear whether have the check box checked or unchecked turns off the radio. Record activity did not open correctly until I applied the virtual 1200 900 fix. It would exit immediately. With the Virtual 1200 900 fix applied Record will now open and I can take a photo and record a video. The video is very pixelated in Low mode though, and in High mode and Best mode Record video seems to only produce a still with some sound. Record's audio mode does not seem to record sound. Gnome Desktop mode: In previous builds Midori was used as the web browser in gnome now Firefox is being pulled in. Is this an intentional change or a side effect of changing the build system? Midori is general considered to use less resources than Firefox I can turn the radio back on through Net Work Manager in Gnome. rihowa...@gmail.com linux - the best things in life are free On Jan 5, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Steven M. Parrish wrote: This is the first release created with a new build system created by Daniel Drake. This new system can create builds for the XO-1 and XO-1.5. Known issues: Keyboard and mouse will not wakeup from sleep. Can be fixed by disabling power management in Sugar. Camera still does not work You can get it here http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/XO-1/builds/OS11 Issues can be filed @ http://dev.laptop.org/newticket Steven -- = Steven M. Parrish - gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: Nickname: SMParrish Channels: #fedora-kde, #fedora-olpc, #fedora-edu, #sugar, #packagekit ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 - Build11
My thoughts about Firefox. Even if it uses more resources than Midori, it's worth the extra bytes. I am running Xubuntu (Teapot edition) from a 2GB SD card in my XO, and I have Firefox on it. I installed the ePubReader plug-in for Firefox. This runs nicely and allows you to view eBooks in ePub format, which is the up-and-coming open format for books. You can get free ePub eBooks from several free sites, including books.google.com, www.feedbooks.com/publicdomain, and gutenberg.org. Project Gutenberg plain text files can be read on the XO in Sugar using the Read ETexts activity, but that activity says Read Etexts is similar to the original Read activity, but instead of PDFs this activity works with the plain text files created for Project Gutenberg.Plain text versions are inferior to the nicely formatted ePub books. To get the ePubReader plugin, all you do is go to Tools Add-ons Get Add-ons in Firefox and search for ePubReader. It even updates itself when new releases of the plug-in come out. Xubuntu doesn't use Gnome, but instead uses Xfce the light-weight window manager. I would rather give up Gnome's bulk than leave out Firefox. One thing little annoying thing about using the ePubReader on my XO system -- the directional buttons next to the screen don't work (aren't recognized) so I can't turn the screen into tablet mode and still be able to navigate page turns. Does anyone know an easy way to map these keys into up, down, forward, and backward keys? It's been a long time since I played around with keymapping in Linux. Stan Sokolow On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:14 PM, rihowa...@gmail.com rihowa...@gmail.comwrote: Some quick observations on F11 for the XO-1 - Build11. ... stuff deleted here Gnome Desktop mode: In previous builds Midori was used as the web browser in gnome now Firefox is being pulled in. Is this an intentional change or a side effect of changing the build system? Midori is general considered to use less resources than Firefox. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 - Build11
2GB SD card in my XO, and I have Firefox on it. I installed the ePubReader plug-in for Firefox. This runs nicely and allows you to view eBooks in ePub format, which is the up-and-coming open format for books. You can get free ePub eBooks from several free sites, including books.google.com, www.feedbooks.com/publicdomain, and gutenberg.org. Also, the Internet Archive (www.archive.org) has more than a million books scanned and available in ePub. You can also reach them through a possibly nicer interface at openlibrary.org. (All of those books are also available in PDF, plus other formats, and are also readable using a Javascript-based online reader that should work in most browsers). John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
