Aside: Neighborhood participants

2009-02-02 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
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Morgan Collett wrote:
 Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every
 time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can jump
 to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood Views...

I _strongly_ object to this behavior.  Not only is this flooding the mesh
with useless broadcasts, but it provides exactly the _wrong_ result in the
UI.  When I look at the Neighborhood view, I want to see who is
participating in each shared instance.  Instead,  the view shows me who is
in that particular window at this time.  It's as if IRC clients only
showed you as present in the room that is currently visible on your screen.

We should remove this feature and instead show each person in the ring
around each activity they have joined.

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Re: Aside: Neighborhood participants

2009-02-02 Thread Wade Brainerd
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:

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 Morgan Collett wrote:
  Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every
  time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can jump
  to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood Views...

 I _strongly_ object to this behavior.  Not only is this flooding the mesh
 with useless broadcasts, but it provides exactly the _wrong_ result in the
 UI.  When I look at the Neighborhood view, I want to see who is
 participating in each shared instance.  Instead,  the view shows me who is
 in that particular window at this time.  It's as if IRC clients only
 showed you as present in the room that is currently visible on your screen.


+1

-Wade
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Aside: Neighborhood participants

2009-02-02 Thread Gary C Martin
On 2 Feb 2009, at 16:43, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:

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 Morgan Collett wrote:
 Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every
 time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can  
 jump
 to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood Views...

 I _strongly_ object to this behavior.  Not only is this flooding the  
 mesh
 with useless broadcasts, but it provides exactly the _wrong_ result  
 in the
 UI.  When I look at the Neighborhood view, I want to see who is
 participating in each shared instance.  Instead,  the view shows me  
 who is
 in that particular window at this time.  It's as if IRC clients only
 showed you as present in the room that is currently visible on your  
 screen.

+1

 We should remove this feature and instead show each person in the  
 ring
 around each activity they have joined.

However there are some interesting UI design issues (). XO buddy icons  
are currently unique identities, this will lead to your icons being in  
multiple places in the neighbourhood (and group) view (on each shared  
activity). More icons mean less space... Have you seen ~30-40 buddies  
on a jabber server? Wow it's crowded as is, let's hope gadget and  
smart filters work well. i.e see who you want by default and be able  
to easily find those gadget decides to hide from you... Actually I can  
almost see this being a case for replacing the neighbourhood with just  
custom smart groups UI; you start with some reasonable default gadget  
filter; then create new groups for your different needs (perhaps a  
maths class group, a friends group, a pen-pals group, an artists group  
etc). Maybe the neighbourhood view ends up pretty much just showing  
icons for subgroups.

An interesting design challenge, especially trying to keep the zoom  
metaphor consistant...

--Gary

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