RE: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing
don't know how the Scratch site has negotiated this on a legal front but sharing and remixing of student generated content seems to work pretty well there ...half a million projects uploaded there http://scratch.mit.edu/ and that would be a tiny percentage of what is sitting on school networks etc scratch is also cool i thats it one of the few places i can think of where all levels of expertise -beginner to expert - do form a user community ...getting that right is pretty rare rob From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org on behalf of Martin Langhoff Sent: Sun 7/26/2009 7:09 PM To: Tomeu Vizoso Cc: iaep; devel@lists.laptop.org; Joshua Eddy; Bastien Subject: Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: That's what I was trying to explain ;) Though I do see some value in It's a fantastic idea, but I have to concur with Tomeu -- make it work _local_ (with the XS for example, though it doesn't have to be), and from there push it upstream if possible, but *let users control this explicitly*. My long term plan (if I ever get to it!) is to do something like this with Moodle+Mahara. Or perhaps Moodle-Moodle. So I'd love to see this done. When I write let users control this explicitly, I mean: let kids share this with their local (and safe) group, and let them choose to publish more widely (to the internet) with the input from adults (teachers, parents). We had almost identical discussions with the edublog team, they wanted to have kids blog directly to the internet. As things progressed they realised it was a bad idea. Do search the discussion lists for edublog to have more background. In some countries, beyond being a bad idea, it is illegal. In the US at least there are serious laws that will get teachers and schools into lots of trouble if kids' privacy is breached. And yes, Internet === Breach of privacy. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Early Childhood Development. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: That's what I was trying to explain ;) Though I do see some value in It's a fantastic idea, but I have to concur with Tomeu -- make it work _local_ (with the XS for example, though it doesn't have to be), and from there push it upstream if possible, but *let users control this explicitly*. My long term plan (if I ever get to it!) is to do something like this with Moodle+Mahara. Or perhaps Moodle-Moodle. So I'd love to see this done. When I write let users control this explicitly, I mean: let kids share this with their local (and safe) group, and let them choose to publish more widely (to the internet) with the input from adults (teachers, parents). We had almost identical discussions with the edublog team, they wanted to have kids blog directly to the internet. As things progressed they realised it was a bad idea. Do search the discussion lists for edublog to have more background. In some countries, beyond being a bad idea, it is illegal. In the US at least there are serious laws that will get teachers and schools into lots of trouble if kids' privacy is breached. And yes, Internet === Breach of privacy. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Michael Stone michael.r.st...@gmail.com wrote: Could you post a link to that thread or better search terms? It seems rather relevant to my ongoing work... The whole EduBlog: Teacher Review Options thread is informative. Within the search below try - edublog privacy - edublog security - edublog review http://www.google.be/search?hl=enq=site%3Alists.laptop.org+edublog+teacher+review In terms of legal issues, the US has FERPA - a good overview of it from a using online learning tools PoV at http://docs.moodle.org/en/FERPA , and discussion at http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=77059 While I don't think it is wise to tie oneself too much to the law of a specific countries, I think we can expect most countries to have a FERPA-like law now or in the near future. *It is a good idea to protect kids' privacy* anyway. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:45:32AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: [adding IAEP to cc] On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:09, Bastienbastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Joshua Eddy joshuage...@gmail.com writes: This is what Sugar Labs DC wants to bring to the table. For a more detailed description of this idea, please visit my blog: http://joshstechjournal.blogspot.com/ Nice idea! Thanks for sharing it. I presume ideally the config options would offer a website to publish to, along with the Jabber service. I love the idea of having a site for children to share their work, I think this is going to be really big hit for Sugar. Congratulations on taking this task. We have been already discussing this in #sugar during the last week with Jeff and Aleksey and several good ideas were shared, will be nice to put all our thoughts in common when we get to more detail. Everyone is welcome to formalize thoughts on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Server_Objects_Sharing A somewhat minor concern I have with your proposal is that I'm not sure that just one global server will be enough for everybody. What about areas with local network but none or little internet access? If on the other hand deployments can set their own server as Bastien suggests, how would a child upload to the global one when connection conditions improve? But global server doesn't except local servers think about www.flickr.com - its global option but every community could have local servers. One could imagine that the control panel would allow to set a list of servers and the Publish menu item becomes a submenu where you can select the server to upload to, but things get complicated fast with maybe not too much value. What I would propose instead, based on my experience, is to start by the very basics and build on that after getting some feedback from actual users. I see how a publish menu item in the activity palette or the journal makes it easier than having to go to a specific site in Browse, but if you restrict the modifications at first to Browse, then you can install your new activity version on any existing Sugar version. btw, why just not using Browse, we already do this in case of ASLO is there real need to add additional complexity to sugar UI at least we could start using Browse, get feedback and add new features to 0.88(if its necessary). -- Aleksey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:31, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:45:32AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: [adding IAEP to cc] On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:09, Bastienbastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Joshua Eddy joshuage...@gmail.com writes: This is what Sugar Labs DC wants to bring to the table. For a more detailed description of this idea, please visit my blog: http://joshstechjournal.blogspot.com/ Nice idea! Thanks for sharing it. I presume ideally the config options would offer a website to publish to, along with the Jabber service. I love the idea of having a site for children to share their work, I think this is going to be really big hit for Sugar. Congratulations on taking this task. We have been already discussing this in #sugar during the last week with Jeff and Aleksey and several good ideas were shared, will be nice to put all our thoughts in common when we get to more detail. Everyone is welcome to formalize thoughts on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Server_Objects_Sharing A somewhat minor concern I have with your proposal is that I'm not sure that just one global server will be enough for everybody. What about areas with local network but none or little internet access? If on the other hand deployments can set their own server as Bastien suggests, how would a child upload to the global one when connection conditions improve? But global server doesn't except local servers think about www.flickr.com - its global option but every community could have local servers. One could imagine that the control panel would allow to set a list of servers and the Publish menu item becomes a submenu where you can select the server to upload to, but things get complicated fast with maybe not too much value. What I would propose instead, based on my experience, is to start by the very basics and build on that after getting some feedback from actual users. I see how a publish menu item in the activity palette or the journal makes it easier than having to go to a specific site in Browse, but if you restrict the modifications at first to Browse, then you can install your new activity version on any existing Sugar version. btw, why just not using Browse, we already do this in case of ASLO is there real need to add additional complexity to sugar UI at least we could start using Browse, get feedback and add new features to 0.88(if its necessary). That's what I was trying to explain ;) Though I do see some value in jumping over the step of opening browse and navigating to a specific site, just think that from the deployment side of things this could be better done in a future step. Josh, I think your blog has very interesting stuff about your work in Sugar, would you like to have it syndicated in http://planet.sugarlabs.org ? http://joshstechjournal.blogspot.com/ Thanks, Tomeu -- Aleksey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
