Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote: IEEE chose to make wi-fi networks look like 802.11 LANs, similar to ethernet. It might have been a bad idea in retrospect, but now we have to live with it. AFAIK, the bulk of the problem with multicasts over 802.11s

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote: Morgan Collett wrote: Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can jump to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread Bernie Innocenti
C. Scott Ananian wrote: This is irrelevant, really. Protocols are designed with certain assumptions. Those assumptions (mostly having to do with the behavior and cost of broadcasts) were true when the protocols were designed, and are no longer true today. This is the way of all software,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote: C. Scott Ananian wrote: This is irrelevant, really. Protocols are designed with certain assumptions. Those assumptions (mostly having to do with the behavior and cost of broadcasts) were true when the protocols were

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread Morgan Collett
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 14:18, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote: Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc (http://live.gnome.org/libepc/). There's no need for Sugar-specific solutions here; we just need to use existing standard solutions. Yep - I want existing

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Morgan Collett wrote: Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can jump to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood Views... as well as sending who joined and left... Mature GUIs have a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread Bernie Innocenti
C. Scott Ananian wrote: When I read the Zeroconf book, I got the impression that the _standard_ was carefully designed to minimize needless broadcasts and scale well in real scenarios. I can't comment on the current Avahi _implementation_ though. This is true for wired networks; not

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote: Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc (http://live.gnome.org/libepc/). There's no need for Sugar-specific solutions here; we