Re: Wellington test team vs Activities - 2008-09-13
Thanks for the bug report on Bridge. I just released Bridge-2 that fixes those bugs and a few others. Nirav 2008/9/13 Grant Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Grant's notes: Geoquiz-3 - Too easy to mistakenly select the wrong answer when using the left and right controllers (as suggested by the instructions). This problem is caused by Geoquiz not distinguishing between the left and right controllers. - Lesotho, Swaziland and Gambia aren't visible on the Africa map, so when these questions arise, the user can only guess. Swaziland and Gambia are blacked out on the map, while Lesotho appears as part of South Africa. - Completing the quiz (either Africa or South America) causes Geoquiz to crash! - The questions are always in the same order until the laptop is rebooted. - Got a segmentation fault during the normal usage of the activity! Wasn't reproducable. Stopwatch-1 - Worked well Bridge-1 - Seems a little harsh that girders that are deleted are still counted towards the total cost of the bridge, especially since they can't be moved once in place. - Some instructions would be helpful. (e.g. press space to start train) - Pressing the 'b', 'j', or 'p' keys crashes the activity! - Otherwise a great activity. Grant 2008/9/13 Tabitha Roder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tabitha's notes: XO Build 8.2-759 Mini vMac-1 - ctrl F for full screen is great! played with excalibur, note pad, calculator, puzzle, all good, but it is hard to shut down Mini vMac - seems you have to stop in the frame? Bridge-1 good Stopwatch-1 good Poll-17 - create own poll good, voted good, lesson plans display as XML not so good, bug logged #8456 Schoolsplay-1 - loads, font size is too big in the frames and in the pyramid, cant really play as cant read :-( bug logged #8458 Audacity-1 - fails to launch, got logs, bug logged #8453 XaoS-1 - good Moon-4 good Colors-4 - still not able to stop activity, same as v4 - see original bug #8335 ProducePuzzle-0 - good Ok, now onto the big test - GCompris-7, get ready this is long GCompris - Various puzzles *assemble - good *tangram - good *build - good *superbrain - good *hanoi - good *sliding blocks - good *sudoku - good *fifteen game - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - geometry *freedraw - good *redraw - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *mirror - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw_symmetry.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Gcompris - Mathematic games - calculations *math memory **multiply - good **add - good **subtract - good *algebra **add and subtract tested, took a while to work out that you have to push check answer or it thinks you havent entered an answer *number munchers **multiple - good **prime - good *math memory **bit confusing that questions with the same answer dont match in the matching game - e.g. 4 + 4 is not equal to 3 + 5, they are both = 8 only *balance the scales - good *target - good *series of correct operations - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - numeration *pairs of dice - good *count the items - couldn't find or load the file enumerate/food/banana.png this activity is incomplete - bruno *magician hat - good *feed tux the fish - good *money - couldnt find money/euro/p5e.png - bruno *helicopter - good *draw with numbers - good GCompris - amusement *tuxpaint - cannot find tux paint install it to use this activity *football - good *hexagon - good *word processor - good, we all like the themes *drawing / animation - works for draw not animation - save image exits GCompris so cannot make animation *chat - sorry couldnt test this today GCompris - reading *click on letter - good *reading practice - good *horizontal - words start above the box not in it *vertical - words start above the box not in it *missing letter - good *image name drag and drop - good GCompris - discover the computer *keyboard **numbers with dice - good **throw ball to tux - good **simple letters - good **falling words - good *mouse **control the hose pipe - good **click the mouse - good **move the mouse - good **click on me - good **click and draw - good GCompris - strategy games *practice chess - error: the external program gnuchess is mandatory to play chess in gcompris first install it and check it is in /usr/games/gnome-gnuchess *connect 4 - good *bar game - good - the prerequisite of a brain is cute *oware - good GCompris - experiental games *parachutist - good *canal lock - good *water cycle - good *electricity - cannot find the gnucap electric simulator you can download and install it from http://geda.seul.org/tools/gnucap/ to be detected it must be installed in /usr/bin/gnucap or /usr/local/bin/gnucap you can still use this activity to draw schematics without computer
Re: Wellington test team vs Activities - 2008-09-13
Thanks for the bug report concerning GCompris. I just uploaded a new version on the olpc Wiki page with the following fixes: - chess, scalesboard, sudoku: Uses the icons provided in bug #7138 - redraw*.activity.xo: Added missing icon - gcompris.activity.xo: Added a bunch of missing icons, fixing activities enumerate and money for fixed images. - Warning: The full GCompris bundle does not comes with gnuchess and gnucap (for electricity). You can install these programs with yum. Bruno. Le dimanche 14 septembre 2008 à 12:13 +1200, Grant Patterson a écrit : Ok, now onto the big test - GCompris-7, get ready this is long GCompris - Various puzzles *assemble - good *tangram - good *build - good *superbrain - good *hanoi - good *sliding blocks - good *sudoku - good *fifteen game - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - geometry *freedraw - good *redraw - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *mirror - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw_symmetry.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Gcompris - Mathematic games - calculations *math memory **multiply - good **add - good **subtract - good *algebra **add and subtract tested, took a while to work out that you have to push check answer or it thinks you havent entered an answer *number munchers **multiple - good **prime - good *math memory **bit confusing that questions with the same answer dont match in the matching game - e.g. 4 + 4 is not equal to 3 + 5, they are both = 8 only *balance the scales - good *target - good *series of correct operations - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - numeration *pairs of dice - good *count the items - couldn't find or load the file enumerate/food/banana.png this activity is incomplete - bruno *magician hat - good *feed tux the fish - good *money - couldnt find money/euro/p5e.png - bruno *helicopter - good *draw with numbers - good GCompris - amusement *tuxpaint - cannot find tux paint install it to use this activity *football - good *hexagon - good *word processor - good, we all like the themes *drawing / animation - works for draw not animation - save image exits GCompris so cannot make animation *chat - sorry couldnt test this today GCompris - reading *click on letter - good *reading practice - good *horizontal - words start above the box not in it *vertical - words start above the box not in it *missing letter - good *image name drag and drop - good GCompris - discover the computer *keyboard **numbers with dice - good **throw ball to tux - good **simple letters - good **falling words - good *mouse **control the hose pipe - good **click the mouse - good **move the mouse - good **click on me - good **click and draw - good GCompris - strategy games *practice chess - error: the external program gnuchess is mandatory to play chess in gcompris first install it and check it is in /usr/games/gnome-gnuchess *connect 4 - good *bar game - good - the prerequisite of a brain is cute *oware - good GCompris - experiental games *parachutist - good *canal lock - good *water cycle - good *electricity - cannot find the gnucap electric simulator you can download and install it from http://geda.seul.org/tools/gnucap/ to be detected it must be installed in /usr/bin/gnucap or /usr/local/bin/gnucap you can still use this activity to draw schematics without computer simulation *pilot a submarine - good *sea race - good GCompris - discovery games *misc **drag and drop shapes - good **left and right words - good **algorithm - good **chronos - good **learning clock - good **region - activity works well but my brain did not (lol) **locate countries - good (and easier for us to answer than regions! lol) *colors **rebuild the mosaic - good **colors (ducks) - good stopped here, sorry didnt quite get through all the activities Overall comments on GCompris -
Re: Wellington test team vs Activities - 2008-09-13
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 06:09, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Story Builder - Gorgeous activity, and well thought out lesson plans. Wish all activities had this. - Very slow - almost unusable - Very high cpu usage on idle. Other activities from the same set don't suffer this problem. Thanks! This is written in pygame using an old version of the olpcgames wrapper. It runs its own mainloop. When I have time I'll have another look at it - I'm sure it can be substantially improved. Logged #8473 to remind myself. Regards Morgan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Wellington test team vs Activities - 2008-09-13
Tabitha's notes: XO Build 8.2-759 Mini vMac-1 - ctrl F for full screen is great! played with excalibur, note pad, calculator, puzzle, all good, but it is hard to shut down Mini vMac - seems you have to stop in the frame? Bridge-1 good Stopwatch-1 good Poll-17 - create own poll good, voted good, lesson plans display as XML not so good, bug logged #8456 Schoolsplay-1 - loads, font size is too big in the frames and in the pyramid, cant really play as cant read :-( bug logged #8458 Audacity-1 - fails to launch, got logs, bug logged #8453 XaoS-1 - good Moon-4 good Colors-4 - still not able to stop activity, same as v4 - see original bug #8335 ProducePuzzle-0 - good Ok, now onto the big test - GCompris-7, get ready this is long GCompris - Various puzzles *assemble - good *tangram - good *build - good *superbrain - good *hanoi - good *sliding blocks - good *sudoku - good *fifteen game - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - geometry *freedraw - good *redraw - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]) *mirror - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw_symmetry.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Gcompris - Mathematic games - calculations *math memory **multiply - good **add - good **subtract - good *algebra **add and subtract tested, took a while to work out that you have to push check answer or it thinks you havent entered an answer *number munchers **multiple - good **prime - good *math memory **bit confusing that questions with the same answer dont match in the matching game - e.g. 4 + 4 is not equal to 3 + 5, they are both = 8 only *balance the scales - good *target - good *series of correct operations - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - numeration *pairs of dice - good *count the items - couldn't find or load the file enumerate/food/banana.png this activity is incomplete - bruno *magician hat - good *feed tux the fish - good *money - couldnt find money/euro/p5e.png - bruno *helicopter - good *draw with numbers - good GCompris - amusement *tuxpaint - cannot find tux paint install it to use this activity *football - good *hexagon - good *word processor - good, we all like the themes *drawing / animation - works for draw not animation - save image exits GCompris so cannot make animation *chat - sorry couldnt test this today GCompris - reading *click on letter - good *reading practice - good *horizontal - words start above the box not in it *vertical - words start above the box not in it *missing letter - good *image name drag and drop - good GCompris - discover the computer *keyboard **numbers with dice - good **throw ball to tux - good **simple letters - good **falling words - good *mouse **control the hose pipe - good **click the mouse - good **move the mouse - good **click on me - good **click and draw - good GCompris - strategy games *practice chess - error: the external program gnuchess is mandatory to play chess in gcompris first install it and check it is in /usr/games/gnome-gnuchess *connect 4 - good *bar game - good - the prerequisite of a brain is cute *oware - good GCompris - experiental games *parachutist - good *canal lock - good *water cycle - good *electricity - cannot find the gnucap electric simulator you can download and install it from http://geda.seul.org/tools/gnucap/ to be detected it must be installed in /usr/bin/gnucap or /usr/local/bin/gnucap you can still use this activity to draw schematics without computer simulation *pilot a submarine - good *sea race - good GCompris - discovery games *misc **drag and drop shapes - good **left and right words - good **algorithm - good **chronos - good **learning clock - good **region - activity works well but my brain did not (lol) **locate countries - good (and easier for us to answer than regions! lol) *colors **rebuild the mosaic - good **colors (ducks) - good stopped here, sorry didnt quite get through all the activities Overall comments on GCompris - there was lots of positive reinforcement for learners which was good to hear (literally hear), impressed by this work. Few times the words in the help and instructions and names were on top of each other, like it couldnt fit all the writing in the box so would overlap. Bit slow to open and close each game but still very cool. Thanks for all the effort put in here so far. Tabitha 2008/9/13 Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transcription of Paul's notes: Horse game - bottom half of screen is not filled with the same graphic (resolution problem?) and the horse leaves a track over it. No crash but visual nastiness. (tried to get screenshot hack going but failed) Success running these: - x2o - Wikipedia Spanish - MinivMac - Bridge -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working
Re: Wellington test team vs Activities - 2008-09-13
Grant's notes: Geoquiz-3 - Too easy to mistakenly select the wrong answer when using the left and right controllers (as suggested by the instructions). This problem is caused by Geoquiz not distinguishing between the left and right controllers. - Lesotho, Swaziland and Gambia aren't visible on the Africa map, so when these questions arise, the user can only guess. Swaziland and Gambia are blacked out on the map, while Lesotho appears as part of South Africa. - Completing the quiz (either Africa or South America) causes Geoquiz to crash! - The questions are always in the same order until the laptop is rebooted. - Got a segmentation fault during the normal usage of the activity! Wasn't reproducable. Stopwatch-1 - Worked well Bridge-1 - Seems a little harsh that girders that are deleted are still counted towards the total cost of the bridge, especially since they can't be moved once in place. - Some instructions would be helpful. (e.g. press space to start train) - Pressing the 'b', 'j', or 'p' keys crashes the activity! - Otherwise a great activity. Grant 2008/9/13 Tabitha Roder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tabitha's notes: XO Build 8.2-759 Mini vMac-1 - ctrl F for full screen is great! played with excalibur, note pad, calculator, puzzle, all good, but it is hard to shut down Mini vMac - seems you have to stop in the frame? Bridge-1 good Stopwatch-1 good Poll-17 - create own poll good, voted good, lesson plans display as XML not so good, bug logged #8456 Schoolsplay-1 - loads, font size is too big in the frames and in the pyramid, cant really play as cant read :-( bug logged #8458 Audacity-1 - fails to launch, got logs, bug logged #8453 XaoS-1 - good Moon-4 good Colors-4 - still not able to stop activity, same as v4 - see original bug #8335 ProducePuzzle-0 - good Ok, now onto the big test - GCompris-7, get ready this is long GCompris - Various puzzles *assemble - good *tangram - good *build - good *superbrain - good *hanoi - good *sliding blocks - good *sudoku - good *fifteen game - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - geometry *freedraw - good *redraw - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]) *mirror - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw_symmetry.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Gcompris - Mathematic games - calculations *math memory **multiply - good **add - good **subtract - good *algebra **add and subtract tested, took a while to work out that you have to push check answer or it thinks you havent entered an answer *number munchers **multiple - good **prime - good *math memory **bit confusing that questions with the same answer dont match in the matching game - e.g. 4 + 4 is not equal to 3 + 5, they are both = 8 only *balance the scales - good *target - good *series of correct operations - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - numeration *pairs of dice - good *count the items - couldn't find or load the file enumerate/food/banana.png this activity is incomplete - bruno *magician hat - good *feed tux the fish - good *money - couldnt find money/euro/p5e.png - bruno *helicopter - good *draw with numbers - good GCompris - amusement *tuxpaint - cannot find tux paint install it to use this activity *football - good *hexagon - good *word processor - good, we all like the themes *drawing / animation - works for draw not animation - save image exits GCompris so cannot make animation *chat - sorry couldnt test this today GCompris - reading *click on letter - good *reading practice - good *horizontal - words start above the box not in it *vertical - words start above the box not in it *missing letter - good *image name drag and drop - good GCompris - discover the computer *keyboard **numbers with dice - good **throw ball to tux - good **simple letters - good **falling words - good *mouse **control the hose pipe - good **click the mouse - good **move the mouse - good **click on me - good **click and draw - good GCompris - strategy games *practice chess - error: the external program gnuchess is mandatory to play chess in gcompris first install it and check it is in /usr/games/gnome-gnuchess *connect 4 - good *bar game - good - the prerequisite of a brain is cute *oware - good GCompris - experiental games *parachutist - good *canal lock - good *water cycle - good *electricity - cannot find the gnucap electric simulator you can download and install it from http://geda.seul.org/tools/gnucap/ to be detected it must be installed in /usr/bin/gnucap or /usr/local/bin/gnucap you can still use this activity to draw schematics without computer simulation *pilot a submarine - good *sea race - good GCompris - discovery games *misc **drag and drop shapes - good **left and right words - good **algorithm - good **chronos
Re: Wellington test team vs Activities - 2008-09-13
My notes Today we did a lot more activity testing, while keeping an eye out for OOM behaviour. On several machines we captured the output of ps_mem.py in a bg process. It quickly got boring as we didn't see any mem usage spikes. General - We were distributing the activities on ext3 usb sticks -- this does not work. Attached logs to #8099 - Machines have /home/pilgrim and/or /home/cscott directories...? Upgrade methods mixed (NAND, olpc-update) so I'm uncertain of the source of the problem... - Memory pressure/OOM killer: we didn't see the OOM killer in action. Firefox with several tabs open did get machines unusable due to memory pressure and killall -9 firefox failed to kill it. At that point ps_mem.py reported ff taking ~80MB - was ok as the single activity open, but could not coexist with another heavy activity such as Physics. At such times vmstat reported 0 buffers, 3M free, and ps_mym.py ~189MB used in total. Story Builder - Gorgeous activity, and well thought out lesson plans. Wish all activities had this. - Very slow - almost unusable - Very high cpu usage on idle. Other activities from the same set don't suffer this problem. Map - Hit #8318 which causes it to fail to start. yum install hulahop didn't see the new hulahop (reported as fixed by Scott) - probably in a different repo, so could not confirm the fix. Cartoon Builder - Very cool, also excellent lesson plans - The lesson plans in Spanish look remarkably similar to the English ones :-) #8459 - On close, got 'Keep error' #8460 OurStories - Fails to start - #8461 - from what I can see, suspect that the original authors have done something really nice but have failed to package the .xo properly... - Seems to be a really compelling concept from the wikipage... Physics - Too addictive - lost a ton of time playing with it. - Does not close - #8462 - High cpu usage when not in focus #8463 Firefox - Consumes a lot of memory - Is not killable when under memory pressure (perhaps it just takes very long to be killed?) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Wellington test team vs Activities - 2008-09-13
Transcription of Paul's notes: Horse game - bottom half of screen is not filled with the same graphic (resolution problem?) and the horse leaves a track over it. No crash but visual nastiness. (tried to get screenshot hack going but failed) Success running these: - x2o - Wikipedia Spanish - MinivMac - Bridge -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Wellington test team vs Activities - 2008-09-13
Forwarded as she's not on the list - -- Forwarded message -- From: Tabitha Roder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tabitha's notes: XO Build 8.2-759 Mini vMac-1 - ctrl F for full screen is great! played with excalibur, note pad, calculator, puzzle, all good, but it is hard to shut down Mini vMac - seems you have to stop in the frame? Bridge-1 good Stopwatch-1 good Poll-17 - create own poll good, voted good, lesson plans display as XML not so good, bug logged #8456 Schoolsplay-1 - loads, font size is too big in the frames and in the pyramid, cant really play as cant read :-( bug logged #8458 Audacity-1 - fails to launch, got logs, bug logged #8453 XaoS-1 - good Moon-4 good Colors-4 - still not able to stop activity, same as v4 - see original bug #8335 ProducePuzzle-0 - good Ok, now onto the big test - GCompris-7, get ready this is long GCompris - Various puzzles *assemble - good *tangram - good *build - good *superbrain - good *hanoi - good *sliding blocks - good *sudoku - good *fifteen game - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - geometry *freedraw - good *redraw - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *mirror - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw_symmetry.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Gcompris - Mathematic games - calculations *math memory **multiply - good **add - good **subtract - good *algebra **add and subtract tested, took a while to work out that you have to push check answer or it thinks you havent entered an answer *number munchers **multiple - good **prime - good *math memory **bit confusing that questions with the same answer dont match in the matching game - e.g. 4 + 4 is not equal to 3 + 5, they are both = 8 only *balance the scales - good *target - good *series of correct operations - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - numeration *pairs of dice - good *count the items - couldn't find or load the file enumerate/food/banana.png this activity is incomplete - bruno *magician hat - good *feed tux the fish - good *money - couldnt find money/euro/p5e.png - bruno *helicopter - good *draw with numbers - good GCompris - amusement *tuxpaint - cannot find tux paint install it to use this activity *football - good *hexagon - good *word processor - good, we all like the themes *drawing / animation - works for draw not animation - save image exits GCompris so cannot make animation *chat - sorry couldnt test this today GCompris - reading *click on letter - good *reading practice - good *horizontal - words start above the box not in it *vertical - words start above the box not in it *missing letter - good *image name drag and drop - good GCompris - discover the computer *keyboard **numbers with dice - good **throw ball to tux - good **simple letters - good **falling words - good *mouse **control the hose pipe - good **click the mouse - good **move the mouse - good **click on me - good **click and draw - good GCompris - strategy games *practice chess - error: the external program gnuchess is mandatory to play chess in gcompris first install it and check it is in /usr/games/gnome-gnuchess *connect 4 - good *bar game - good - the prerequisite of a brain is cute *oware - good GCompris - experiental games *parachutist - good *canal lock - good *water cycle - good *electricity - cannot find the gnucap electric simulator you can download and install it from http://geda.seul.org/tools/gnucap/ to be detected it must be installed in /usr/bin/gnucap or /usr/local/bin/gnucap you can still use this activity to draw schematics without computer simulation *pilot a submarine - good *sea race - good GCompris - discovery games *misc **drag and drop shapes - good **left and right words - good **algorithm - good **chronos - good **learning clock - good **region - activity works well but my brain did not (lol) **locate countries - good (and easier for us to answer than regions! lol) *colors **rebuild the mosaic - good **colors (ducks) - good stopped here, sorry didnt quite get through all the activities Overall comments on GCompris - there was lots of positive reinforcement for learners which was good to hear (literally hear), impressed by this work. Few times the words in the help and instructions and names were on top of each other, like it couldnt fit all the writing in the box so would overlap. Bit slow to open and close each game but still very cool. Thanks for all the effort put in here so far. Tabitha 2008/9/13 Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transcription of Paul's notes: Horse game - bottom half of screen is not filled with the same graphic (resolution problem?) and the horse leaves a track over it. No crash but visual nastiness. (tried to get screenshot hack going but failed) Success running these: - x2o - Wikipedia Spanish - MinivMac - Bridge -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
