Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:11 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: Don Hopkins worked on a PostScript-based window system (HyperLook) that would let you flip over an object on the screen to see behind it a control panel with the guts of its implementation visible.  You could modify those, then

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-09 Thread mokurai
On Tue, June 7, 2011 6:06 pm, Dr. Gerald Ardito wrote: Walter and Edward, I am very interested in this conversation. As you know, I have been working with 5th graders and XO Laptops for the past 3 years in the middle school in which I teach. For next year, I have designed a pilot program to

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-07 Thread mokurai
On Mon, June 6, 2011 8:11 pm, John Gilmore wrote: I had to think about this some before having a useful response. Excellent questions, and very timely. I believe that Walter Bender wrote: I cannot speak for every Sugar developer, but the approach I have tried to take with Turtle Art is a bit

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-07 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:11 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: I had to think about this some before having a useful response. Lots of good ideas here, so thank you for taking the time. I cannot speak for every Sugar developer, but the approach I have tried to take with Turtle Art is

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-07 Thread Dr. Gerald Ardito
Walter and Edward, I am very interested in this conversation. As you know, I have been working with 5th graders and XO Laptops for the past 3 years in the middle school in which I teach. For next year, I have designed a pilot program to teach our 6th graders about programming software and

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-07 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.comwrote: Walter and Edward, I am very interested in this conversation. As you know, I have been working with 5th graders and XO Laptops for the past 3 years in the middle school in which I teach. For next year, I have

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-07 Thread Dr. Gerald Ardito
Walter, Thanks. And I'll check out Fred Martin's book. If you are up for another visit to us in the Fall to do some more intensive Turtle Art work, we'd love to have you. Gerald On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Dr.

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-07 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.comwrote: Walter, Thanks. And I'll check out Fred Martin's book. If you are up for another visit to us in the Fall to do some more intensive Turtle Art work, we'd love to have you. Sounds like fun. Maybe early in the

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-07 Thread Dr. Gerald Ardito
Walter, That would be great. Thanks. Can you look and see when in September might work for you? Gerald On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Walter, Thanks. And I'll

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-06 Thread John Gilmore
I had to think about this some before having a useful response. I cannot speak for every Sugar developer, but the approach I have tried to take with Turtle Art is a bit different than you are describing. The block-based programming environment is not meant to be a substitute for real tools;

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-05-22 Thread mokurai
On Fri, May 20, 2011 3:11 pm, Walter Bender wrote: On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: Recently, I finished my dissertation on mobile development directly from mobile devices. Something like this might've been very useful, although I did target experienced

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-05-20 Thread John Gilmore
Recently, I finished my dissertation on mobile development directly from mobile devices. Something like this might've been very useful, although I did target experienced developers, not beginners. Mobile development would work great on mobile devices like the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75, and

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-05-20 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: separation.  This is why they never learn to modify the real programs that hide behind the fluffy interfaces on their real XO computers. I hope to show you a system where the real program *is* the fluffy interface (and vice

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-05-20 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: Recently, I finished my dissertation on mobile development directly from mobile devices. Something like this might've been very useful, although I did target experienced developers, not beginners. Mobile development would

Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-05-20 Thread Alan Kay
SugarLabs i...@lists.sugarlabs.org; OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org; John Gilmore g...@toad.com Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 5:51:08 PM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out On Fri, May 20, 2011 3:11 pm, Walter Bender wrote: On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote