Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-27 Thread Tom Parker
On Sat, 2011-08-27 at 11:52 +1000, James Cameron wrote: On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:36:01PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: Do you want us to examine the working XO-1.75 with membrane keyboard? Is it worth knowing whether it has the same touch pad as the not working clicky keyboard XO-1.75? You

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-26 Thread Tom Parker
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 12:02 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: There will be new builds weekly or more often for large feature additions that could do with testing. These will be announced on de...@laptop.org list. There was OS40 released today. Next one should be on Friday. If it is released early

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 12:02 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: There will be new builds weekly or more often for large feature additions that could do with testing. These will be announced on de...@laptop.org list. There was OS40

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-26 Thread Tom Parker
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 09:17 +1000, James Cameron wrote: We have some XO-1.5 prototypes with wich we could swap the touch pad and see if the problem follows the touchpad or stays with the 1.75. Is that useful? Yes, I think so. I swapped the bottom half of our clicky keyboard XO-1.75 with

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-26 Thread James Cameron
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:12:20PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: Is there anything you want me to record (model number? from where?). No, I think what you've provided is sufficient. The actual swapping operation was quite involved. I think maybe it would have been easier to unplug at the

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-26 Thread Tom Parker
On Sat, 2011-08-27 at 11:07 +1000, James Cameron wrote: On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:12:20PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: Is there anything you want me to record (model number? from where?). No, I think what you've provided is sufficient. Do you want us to examine the working XO-1.75 with

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-26 Thread James Cameron
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:36:01PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: Do you want us to examine the working XO-1.75 with membrane keyboard? Is it worth knowing whether it has the same touch pad as the not working clicky keyboard XO-1.75? You may as well catch a photograph of the XO-1.75 membrane

Re: Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-25 Thread Tom Parker
On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 14:30 +1000, James Cameron wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:57:25PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: I tried very carefully using one finger from directly above (no button pressing and no other hands nearby) and still experience the jumpy cursor problem. I was also able to

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-24 Thread Tom Parker
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 07:38 +1000, James Cameron wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:39:38PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: Nice! I made a simple position the turtle based on accelerometer x and y and found the sensor to be quite noisy. Could you quantify that please? Normal shaking of hand,

Re: Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-24 Thread Tom Parker
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 21:46 +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: I have noticed on the 1.5 and 1.75 mouse that if my finger is too far forward on the button it overhangs the pad and gives a jumpy cursor. The pad is not sure which finger to track. I tried very carefully using one finger from

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-24 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 07:38 +1000, James Cameron wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:39:38PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: Nice! I made a simple position the turtle based on accelerometer x and y and found the sensor to be

Re: Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-24 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:57:25PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: I tried very carefully using one finger from directly above (no button pressing and no other hands nearby) and still experience the jumpy cursor problem. I was also able to make it jump diagonally, mostly at 45 degrees. [...] Is

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-24 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:48:41PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: I must say I hadn't thought about where the noise might be coming from, I merely wanted to process it out. Is it really sensitive enough to pick up normal sound (not just boom sounds!)? The device resolution is typically 72

Re: Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-24 Thread forster
I don't know enough about Turtle Blocks to comment, but if an application such as Turtle Blocks tries to read the sensor, it will probably block for as long as it takes for the transaction to complete ... roughly 33 milliseconds. I am getting 60mS per read in Turtle Blocks from print time

Re: Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-24 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 03:22:06PM +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: I don't know enough about Turtle Blocks to comment, but if an application such as Turtle Blocks tries to read the sensor, it will probably block for as long as it takes for the transaction to complete ... roughly 33

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:30 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 06:56:38PM -0400, Kevin Gordon wrote: http://build.laptop.org/F14-arm/os36/ http://dev.laptop.org/pub/firmware/q4b07/ should do the trick Not really.  That's just the current build and firmware,

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Congrats on your new toys! It does seem you're finding some interesting things... comments below. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org wrote: Our clicky keyboard unit has some kind of mouse problem. Sometimes, the mouse jumps, especially when you are holding a button.

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I think shortly (maybe next build) we should move to auto firmware updates with the OS release so that with each OS update we're running the recommended OFW release. We're shipping it in OS40, not sure if it auto

Re: Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread forster
Hi Testing a 1.75 with the HS 'clicky' keyboard Speak is a bit clicky. The clicks occur in the same places on the same text. Repeat some text: ctrl C ctrl V ctrl V and the same word is clicky, eg 'the quick brown fox' the word 'quick' is noticably more clicky. Power on fanfare sounds

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org wrote: On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 07:08 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: Turtle Art v 114 has an accelerometer block in the sensor palette that should appear on 1.75 machines. Maybe you could play with it? (It pushes X, Y, Z values to the

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread Kevin Gordon
Installed qb407 and os40: Boots. No pretty boot. Boot chime is a little 'tinny'. Connect to WPA secure access point works great. os40 brings 'Switch to Gnome' function back into form. In os36 it was putting up a file not found and reverting to a text display. Required manual reboot to get

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread Tom Parker
On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 07:08 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: Turtle Art v 114 has an accelerometer block in the sensor palette that should appear on 1.75 machines. Maybe you could play with it? (It pushes X, Y, Z values to the stack: you retrieve them with 3 consecutive 'pop' blocks (found on the

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread Tom Parker
On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 21:15 +1000, James Cameron wrote: In testing the speakers we found the sound to be scratchy like there are buffer issues. That's interesting. More please? Speak is the only activity we've which produces sound and works. The sound is full of clicks. Also the turn on

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:39:38PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: Nice! I made a simple position the turtle based on accelerometer x and y and found the sensor to be quite noisy. Could you quantify that please? Normal shaking of hand, or the earth under you in your case, or nearby sound, may

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:20:13AM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I think shortly (maybe next build) we should move to auto firmware updates with the OS release so that with each OS update we're running the

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:57:21PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: Speak is the only activity we've which produces sound and works. The sound is full of clicks. Also the turn on tune sounds different to how I remember the XO 1.5 but I haven't done a side by side test. There is something less pleasing

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-23 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 08:36:42AM -0400, Kevin Gordon wrote: Installed qb407 and os40: No pretty boot. Being worked on, thanks. #10915. Boot chime is a little 'tinny'. Raised, and tested, thanks. One still needs to do the 'modprobe mmp-camera' to get cheese to see the device, and the

Re: [Testing] [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-22 Thread Kevin Gordon
http://build.laptop.org/F14-arm/os36/ http://dev.laptop.org/pub/firmware/q4b07/ should do the trick On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:16 PM, t...@carrott.org wrote: On Mon, August 22, 2011 11:15 pm, James Cameron wrote: The documentation is a bit chaotic so it's hard to work out what build and

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-22 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:16:31AM +1200, t...@carrott.org wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_1.75_B1 points to Q4B06 Removed. Made the Software Support section intro cleaner. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO-1.75 has a Software Builds link which points to the F13 series. Removed. Thanks for

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-22 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:04:06PM +1200, t...@carrott.org wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_1.75_11089_Fix points to Q4B06, but if there is one in XO_1.75_B1 then it's good that is gone too. I've updated XO_1.75_11089_Fix to point to the Firmware page. I've removed the or later, because I

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-22 Thread tom
On Mon, August 22, 2011 11:15 pm, James Cameron wrote: The documentation is a bit chaotic so it's hard to work out what build and firmware should be on it. I saw the Wiki XO-1.75 page was a bit out of date, as was the XO-1.75 B1 page, but I checked and they looked reasonable at the moment.

Re: [OLPC New Zealand] New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand

2011-08-22 Thread tom
On Tue, August 23, 2011 11:56 am, James Cameron wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:16:31AM +1200, t...@carrott.org wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_1.75_B1 points to Q4B06 Removed. Hmm.. I meant to say http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_1.75_11089_Fix points to Q4B06, but if there is one in