Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> Also, if you find you have no disk space free, please make yourself >> heard at http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/12150 > > Martin was this still an issue on os5? Yes. But it's hit and miss, and still unclear to me whether it's more likely on specific units. m -- mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> The "ball? What ball?" release. >> >> THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT RELEASE > > Users on XO-4 need to be aware of lots of limitations -- no > suspend/resume, no audio, etc. We need a quick status page for this I put some notes brief here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0#XO-4 Anyone is welcome to add more. Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
Hi Peter, On 8 Oct 2012, at 15:09, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Chris Leonard > wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Gary Martin >> wrote: >> Are the layouts each in a distinct set of files? If so we could possibly split out layouts to standalone packages to make it easy to add extras at a later date. >>> >>> Yes the language layouts are a distinct set of XML files in one directory. >>> They can be edited live on running system, so it's not like they really >>> need to be part of maliit-plugins build compilation. >> >> If the OLPC OS build creators (e.g. dsd) do not plan to include all of >> these files in "stock" releases, then we should definitely look at >> incorporating them into language packs installs. > > At the moment all layouts are packaged as part of the maliit-plugins package > >> Just like with L10n MO files there may be good reasons (mostly size in >> image) not to include them all, but in a such a case we definitely >> want to make them easy to find and easy to install, without much >> technical knowledge, or even knowledge that they even exist. > > The layouts are xml files and hence very small is size so the easiest > way to install them would be to have them there by default. > > My question to Gary about the layouts was more about how hard it would > be to package them up separately so it's easy to add new layouts post > release of a release. It's quicker to add a single package with a > single layout than having to QA an entire release again. How would you like them? I could just send you a zip of the files, though I guess you're after something a little more bundled, let me know ;) So this certainly seems a good way to go, though note I'm probably going to need at least one more pass at the style changes for this cycle (unfortunately key sizes are hardcoded in the style and I need to tweak there every now and againg to get a layout to work), which is a different set of files in maliit-plugins. These styles can also safely make their way up stream to Michael, leaving us just with our new language layouts to apply to builds. Regards, --Gary >> With a little tweaking of the language pack generating script, >> >> http://git.sugarlabs.org/pootle-helpers/mainline/trees/master/langpackgen >> >> the language packs could serve that purpose. > > I'm sure there's a number of ways to skin that cat :-) > > Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Chris Leonard wrote: > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Gary Martin > wrote: > >>> Are the layouts each in a distinct set of files? If so we could possibly >>> split out layouts to standalone packages to make it easy to add extras at a >>> later date. >> >> Yes the language layouts are a distinct set of XML files in one directory. >> They can be edited live on running system, so it's not like they really need >> to be part of maliit-plugins build compilation. > > If the OLPC OS build creators (e.g. dsd) do not plan to include all of > these files in "stock" releases, then we should definitely look at > incorporating them into language packs installs. At the moment all layouts are packaged as part of the maliit-plugins package > Just like with L10n MO files there may be good reasons (mostly size in > image) not to include them all, but in a such a case we definitely > want to make them easy to find and easy to install, without much > technical knowledge, or even knowledge that they even exist. The layouts are xml files and hence very small is size so the easiest way to install them would be to have them there by default. My question to Gary about the layouts was more about how hard it would be to package them up separately so it's easy to add new layouts post release of a release. It's quicker to add a single package with a single layout than having to QA an entire release again. > With a little tweaking of the language pack generating script, > > http://git.sugarlabs.org/pootle-helpers/mainline/trees/master/langpackgen > > the language packs could serve that purpose. I'm sure there's a number of ways to skin that cat :-) Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Gary Martin wrote: >> Are the layouts each in a distinct set of files? If so we could possibly >> split out layouts to standalone packages to make it easy to add extras at a >> later date. > > Yes the language layouts are a distinct set of XML files in one directory. > They can be edited live on running system, so it's not like they really need > to be part of maliit-plugins build compilation. If the OLPC OS build creators (e.g. dsd) do not plan to include all of these files in "stock" releases, then we should definitely look at incorporating them into language packs installs. Just like with L10n MO files there may be good reasons (mostly size in image) not to include them all, but in a such a case we definitely want to make them easy to find and easy to install, without much technical knowledge, or even knowledge that they even exist. With a little tweaking of the language pack generating script, http://git.sugarlabs.org/pootle-helpers/mainline/trees/master/langpackgen the language packs could serve that purpose. cjl Sugar labs Translation Team Coordinator ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
Hi Peter, On 8 Oct 2012, at 07:02, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On 8 Oct 2012 00:41, "Gary Martin" wrote: > > > > On 7 Oct 2012, at 23:56, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > > > > > On 7 Oct 2012 23:17, "Martin Langhoff" wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Peter Robinson > > > > wrote: > > > > > #12082 Maliit on-screen keyboard > > > > > > > > Yay!!! Is the evdev trickery all hooked up? Does ebook mode DTRT? > > > > > > Not yet, all the layouts are in and gtk2 works now > > > > Not quite all the layouts, but the vast majority are done in both landscape > > and portrait. I have Türkçe, Українська, Việt, and 1 usable (out of 3 due > > to the need of the others for a proprietary glyph composition engine) > > Chinese keyboards still to do, and some general bug fixes on several > > extended keys I spotted while testing. Expect an updated set of similar > > patches before build lockdown. There is also still the hanging question > > with regard for the need for additional keyboards for existing or potential > > deployments. Armenia has been raised as one possible extra, but not yet > > confirmed. Perhaps once XO-4's start to land and folks play with the OSK > > we'll see some formal requests. > > > > Are the layouts each in a distinct set of files? If so we could possibly > split out layouts to standalone packages to make it easy to add extras at a > later date. Yes the language layouts are a distinct set of XML files in one directory. They can be edited live on running system, so it's not like they really need to be part of maliit-plugins build compilation. Regards, --Gary > Peter > > > Regards, > > --Gary > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > m > > > > -- > > > > mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC > > > > - ask interesting questions > > > > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > > > > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > > > ___ > > > olpc mailing list > > > o...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/olpc > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On 8 Oct 2012 00:41, "Gary Martin" wrote: >> >> On 7 Oct 2012, at 23:56, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> > >> > On 7 Oct 2012 23:17, "Martin Langhoff" wrote: >> > > >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Peter Robinson >> > > wrote: >> > > > #12082 Maliit on-screen keyboard >> > > >> > > Yay!!! Is the evdev trickery all hooked up? Does ebook mode DTRT? >> > >> > Not yet, all the layouts are in and gtk2 works now >> >> Not quite all the layouts, but the vast majority are done in both >> landscape and portrait. I have Türkçe, Українська, Việt, and 1 usable (out >> of 3 due to the need of the others for a proprietary glyph composition >> engine) Chinese keyboards still to do, and some general bug fixes on several >> extended keys I spotted while testing. Expect an updated set of similar >> patches before build lockdown. There is also still the hanging question with >> regard for the need for additional keyboards for existing or potential >> deployments. Armenia has been raised as one possible extra, but not yet >> confirmed. Perhaps once XO-4's start to land and folks play with the OSK >> we'll see some formal requests. >> > > Are the layouts each in a distinct set of files? If so we could possibly > split out layouts to standalone packages to make it easy to add extras at a > later date. One thought would be to add them to the langpack self-installing scripts as needed so that a given langpack also carries the necessary keyboard layout with it. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/langpacks/ cjl ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On 8 Oct 2012 00:41, "Gary Martin" wrote: > > On 7 Oct 2012, at 23:56, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > > On 7 Oct 2012 23:17, "Martin Langhoff" wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > #12082 Maliit on-screen keyboard > > > > > > Yay!!! Is the evdev trickery all hooked up? Does ebook mode DTRT? > > > > Not yet, all the layouts are in and gtk2 works now > > Not quite all the layouts, but the vast majority are done in both landscape and portrait. I have Türkçe, Українська, Việt, and 1 usable (out of 3 due to the need of the others for a proprietary glyph composition engine) Chinese keyboards still to do, and some general bug fixes on several extended keys I spotted while testing. Expect an updated set of similar patches before build lockdown. There is also still the hanging question with regard for the need for additional keyboards for existing or potential deployments. Armenia has been raised as one possible extra, but not yet confirmed. Perhaps once XO-4's start to land and folks play with the OSK we'll see some formal requests. > Are the layouts each in a distinct set of files? If so we could possibly split out layouts to standalone packages to make it easy to add extras at a later date. Peter > Regards, > --Gary > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > m > > > -- > > > mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC > > > - ask interesting questions > > > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > > > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > > ___ > > olpc mailing list > > o...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/olpc > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
martin wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Not yet, all the layouts are in and gtk2 works now
>
> Installed, quick test. You're right, the ebook trigger isn't
> happening. And I cannot type with it -- Write won't show input from
> the OSK, home view search box won't show input from OSK.
>
> The touchscreen scale_{x,y} defaults are killing me. They make the UI
> _very_ awkward to use -- I average 2.5 touches before I can hit a
> moderately large button ("next", or the "stop" icon). This is because
> the offset the driver applies shifts in every spot of the screen, it's
> a devilish thing.
>
> Paul, can we crank those defaults way down? Or add a dampening / ramp
> up effect to the offset that is flat in most of the screen, but
> quickly ramps up near edges? (If you don't believe me, install OS5 and
> use Sugar with the touchscreen for a while).
as i said the other day, the kernel driver should either do no scaling
by default, or it should make every pixel on the screen touchable with
a "standard" pointing instrument (i.e., a stylus). the latter is what
it does now -- perhaps exaggerated. but any other midway decision
between those extremes (which i agree is probably the right thing)
constitutes policy, and therefore belongs at user level.
which is to say, i think the correct defaults belong in olpc-utils,
along with the countless other XO useablility tweaks that are already
there.
(once that change is firmly in place, i'll probably revert the driver to
default to no scaling at all.)
paul
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
> m
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Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Gary Martin wrote: > Armenia has been raised as one possible extra, but not yet confirmed. We definitely have a deployment in Armenia, and it is bilingual Armenian and Russian. Physical keyboard layout is Armenian, IIRC. I'd liketo have both langs. > Perhaps once XO-4's start to land and folks play with the OSK we'll see some > formal requests. Everyone remembers about these things the week before their units arrive, and chaos ensues. Been there, bled through it ;-) Let's DTRT: coordinate with Reuben to make sure we have good coverage up front. After all, we will do the job. Timeliness is next to godliness, specially with HW lead times and OS release lead times. m -- mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On 7 Oct 2012, at 23:56, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On 7 Oct 2012 23:17, "Martin Langhoff" wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > #12082 Maliit on-screen keyboard > > > > Yay!!! Is the evdev trickery all hooked up? Does ebook mode DTRT? > > Not yet, all the layouts are in and gtk2 works now Not quite all the layouts, but the vast majority are done in both landscape and portrait. I have Türkçe, Українська, Việt, and 1 usable (out of 3 due to the need of the others for a proprietary glyph composition engine) Chinese keyboards still to do, and some general bug fixes on several extended keys I spotted while testing. Expect an updated set of similar patches before build lockdown. There is also still the hanging question with regard for the need for additional keyboards for existing or potential deployments. Armenia has been raised as one possible extra, but not yet confirmed. Perhaps once XO-4's start to land and folks play with the OSK we'll see some formal requests. Regards, --Gary > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > > m > > -- > > mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC > > - ask interesting questions > > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > ___ > olpc mailing list > o...@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/olpc ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> Not yet, all the layouts are in and gtk2 works now
Installed, quick test. You're right, the ebook trigger isn't
happening. And I cannot type with it -- Write won't show input from
the OSK, home view search box won't show input from OSK.
The touchscreen scale_{x,y} defaults are killing me. They make the UI
_very_ awkward to use -- I average 2.5 touches before I can hit a
moderately large button ("next", or the "stop" icon). This is because
the offset the driver applies shifts in every spot of the screen, it's
a devilish thing.
Paul, can we crank those defaults way down? Or add a dampening / ramp
up effect to the offset that is flat in most of the screen, but
quickly ramps up near edges? (If you don't believe me, install OS5 and
use Sugar with the touchscreen for a while).
thanks!
m
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- don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first
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Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On 7 Oct 2012 23:17, "Martin Langhoff" wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > #12082 Maliit on-screen keyboard > > Yay!!! Is the evdev trickery all hooked up? Does ebook mode DTRT? Not yet, all the layouts are in and gtk2 works now > cheers, > > > > > m > -- > mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] 13.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > #12082 Maliit on-screen keyboard Yay!!! Is the evdev trickery all hooked up? Does ebook mode DTRT? cheers, m -- mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
