Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1
Note: I olpc-update to staging-9 . So far works great. able to find my favorite marked access point, after two reboots. Seem to work better/faster that staging-7 (or speed could be my imagination? :) However, found a 'bug/typo' in Browse / Library file /home/olpc/.library_pages/index.html Linkage: "Software Repository" goes to TRAC (i.e. dev.laptop.org) by mistake . Is this a bug or a feature ? :) Icons on home view still re-arranged from build 767 view... Continuing my testing... will report if I find anything else. -iXo On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 23:17, Ixo X oxI wrote: > FYI, > Downloading 8.2.1 (staging-7) now on an XO currently running with 8.2 > (build 767) . > > Will report on anything out of the ordinary when I play with it tomorrow. > :) > -iXo > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 08:09, Brian Pepple wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> A pre-release build of 8.2.1 is now available for testing. It has passed >> an initial smoke test and now needs broader testing. >> >> The build download and problem reporting instructions are here: >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing#Current_status >> >> The very early draft release notes are here: >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.1 >> >> Please send a note to the list if you try this build even if you don't >> find anything interesting. We want to measure our test capacity. >> >> Thanks, >> /B >> -- >> Brian Pepple >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple >> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E >> BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E >> >> ___ >> Testing mailing list >> test...@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing >> >> > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1
Greg Smith wrote: > Hi Sugar team, > > Can you help clarify the right Browse version for 8.2.0 and 8.2.1 per > the thread below? Latest version in Sucrose 0.82 of Browse was 99. Then for the 0.84 we used 100 and ongoing integer numbers. So there is one Browse activity 101 targeted at 0.84 which I released. Today we are at version 102 already, I have updated http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Joyride to reflect this. So even though not very clear, Sayamindu can go now and use 101 or 100 for his pdf-enable release. HTH, Simon > I also left a related note on the 0.83 release notes discussion page: > http://sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:DevelopmentTeam/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.83.3 > > Thanks, > > Greg S > > ** > > Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:09:37 -0500 > From: Mikus Grinbergs > Subject: Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1 > To: OLPC Devel Mailing List , > test...@lists.laptop.org > Message-ID: <496141b1.9040...@bga.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Gary wrote: >> Browse-98 . . . . . . . x x Browse-101 needed for 8.2.1 PDF support > > I Tested Browse-101 using the staging-7 build: > >- Browse-101 listed on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1 > (i.e., http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/0.83/Browse-101.xo) > is unacceptable to me -- it will not allow on-line user changes > to the entries in about:config (I selected an entry and > left-clicked, then clicked on 'modify' - nothing happened). > > [Besides, it copies PDFs to Journal, instead of showing them.] > > [Other wiki pages (Activities/G1G1/8.2) listed only Browse-98.] > >- http://dev.laptop.org/raw-attachment/ticket/9112/Browse-101.xo, > built by Sayamindu, works - I *can* modify about:config > > > Thus it appears there is Browse-101, and then there is Browse-101. > > mikus > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1
FYI, Downloading 8.2.1 (staging-7) now on an XO currently running with 8.2 (build 767) . Will report on anything out of the ordinary when I play with it tomorrow. :) -iXo On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 08:09, Brian Pepple wrote: > Hi All, > > A pre-release build of 8.2.1 is now available for testing. It has passed > an initial smoke test and now needs broader testing. > > The build download and problem reporting instructions are here: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing#Current_status > > The very early draft release notes are here: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.1 > > Please send a note to the list if you try this build even if you don't > find anything interesting. We want to measure our test capacity. > > Thanks, > /B > -- > Brian Pepple > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E > BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E > > ___ > Testing mailing list > test...@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1
On 4 Jan 2009, at 23:09, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > Gary wrote: >> Browse-98 . . . . . . . x x Browse-101 needed for 8.2.1 PDF support > > I Tested Browse-101 using the staging-7 build: > > - Browse-101 listed on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1 >(i.e., http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/0.83/Browse-101.xo) >is unacceptable to me -- it will not allow on-line user changes >to the entries in about:config (I selected an entry and >left-clicked, then clicked on 'modify' - nothing happened). > >[Besides, it copies PDFs to Journal, instead of showing them.] > >[Other wiki pages (Activities/G1G1/8.2) listed only Browse-98.] > > - http://dev.laptop.org/raw-attachment/ticket/9112/Browse-101.xo, >built by Sayamindu, works - I *can* modify about:config Can't comment on your about:config needs/edits, but yes just to confirm, http://dev.laptop.org/raw-attachment/ticket/9112/ Browse-101.xo was the one I've tested here. --Gary > Thus it appears there is Browse-101, and then there is Browse-101. > > mikus > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Autosaving (was Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1)
[trimming distribution list] On 04.01.2009, at 22:21, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 4 Jan 2009, at 20:28, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > >> This is no different than in 8.2.0 - assuming you just launched and >> immediately exited Etoys we do no longer create a useless Journal >> entry. Only if you make a new project (or rename the default one) >> is it saved automatically on exit. > > The previous auto keep when you made zero changes was both > annoyingly slow and daft, but to not auto keep especially after > making edits breaks the whole Sugar Journal concept in one fell > swoop (and even with no changes, I'd expect a Journal entry that > just resumes to the default start page but with no whole 'saving > project' cycle needed). > > First thing I imagine most kids would do with Etoys (well I do at > least) is make the 'welcome' screen car hoot as it hits the screen > edges, and then make it also hoot as it bounces off other graphic > objects. Happy in discovering all the rather obscure/hidden menus > and palettes to do this, I'd then stop to see all my effort vanish, > unrecorded for posterity. > > I almost reported this as a critical bug. It took me a good hour of > various reboots, reinstalls, and journal wipes before I realised the > behaviour had fundamentally changed and I had to keep before EToys > would bother making any Journal entry (even discovered all the > hidden toolbutton menus for Publishing and exiting without saving et > al, before realising I had to prime saving by hitting keep). > > Sorry for the negative report, I just think a well behaving EToys is > really important, FWIW, I may just be an edge case kid at heart. Having to consider edge cases keeps us honest, so please keep mentioning issues you feel unhappy about. I still feel good about the case you cite (modifying the launcher project). I think the learning in Etoys happens foremost by building projects and experimenting in them, not primarily in the actual artifacts one creates. Once you grasped the idea of where to place that honk tile, it takes less than 10 seconds to actually drop it in, producing the greatest of cacophonies (*). That said, I'd love for any changes made in Etoys to become permanent. This is possible (Smalltalk developers do that all the time) but alas impractical at the moment, and development resources are unlikely to be spent on this soon. Project saving is about the best we can do for the time being. If we could significantly speed it up we might reconsider the auto-save strategy, too. - Bert - (*) Once you try that in class you can relate to how teachers were very happy when we disabled the default "fence sound" an object used to produce when hitting a screen edge ;) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1
Gary wrote: > Browse-98 . . . . . . . x x Browse-101 needed for 8.2.1 PDF support I Tested Browse-101 using the staging-7 build: - Browse-101 listed on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1 (i.e., http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/0.83/Browse-101.xo) is unacceptable to me -- it will not allow on-line user changes to the entries in about:config (I selected an entry and left-clicked, then clicked on 'modify' - nothing happened). [Besides, it copies PDFs to Journal, instead of showing them.] [Other wiki pages (Activities/G1G1/8.2) listed only Browse-98.] - http://dev.laptop.org/raw-attachment/ticket/9112/Browse-101.xo, built by Sayamindu, works - I *can* modify about:config Thus it appears there is Browse-101, and then there is Browse-101. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1
On 4 Jan 2009, at 20:15, Wade Brainerd wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Gary C Martin > wrote: > Here's my Activity specific testing run through of all the activities > as currently installed by Activities/G1G1 > > What's required to get your activity listed here? If you're happy that your new Activity release also works with 8.2 (that's what all the latest G1G1 XOs will be pointing too***), you can hit the edit button next to your activity on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1 and point to a newer .xo. If you have release compatibility issues (say your latest 9.1 work will break on 8.2) things get more ugly, this wiki page may help: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update ***why it wasn't it just called Activities/8.2 and then changed per each new distro release is beyond me. > WikipediaEN-4 . . - . * . . x x Very slow following links 30sec+!! > Rainbow warning dialogue on > resume (but > did resume page), or after first > use. > > Sounds like something bad has crept into this activity. IIRC this > summer it took only a few seconds. A quick test of WikipediaEN-4 on an XO with 8.2.0 shows a similar behaviour. A quick selection if link hopping took 64sec, 31sec, 15sec, 29sec, 22sec, 17sec, 24sec, 14sec, 56sec, so there is some variation (though all seemed pretty painful times to me). --Gary > -Wade ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1
On 4 Jan 2009, at 20:28, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 04.01.2009, at 20:26, Gary C Martin wrote: > >> build 8.2.1-7 Could start >> . = success | Could stop (all must work ctrl-q, alt-esc, >> toolbar, frame) >> - = N/A | | Sound >> x = fail | | | Journal entry >> ? = unknown | | | | Useful journal resume state >> * = see note | | | | | Frame palette title matches resumed title >> | | | | | | License entry in activity.info >> | | | | | | | Using bundle_id in activity.info >> | | | | | | | | Frame picks-up live title changes >> | | | | | | | | | >> Etoys-94 . * . * . x . x x Ctrl-q fails to stop. >>Stop no longer auto-keeps to >>journal - you >>need to manually keep a project >>first, or >>you loose changes made and see no >>entry. > > This is no different than in 8.2.0 - assuming you just launched and > immediately exited Etoys we do no longer create a useless Journal > entry. Only if you make a new project (or rename the default one) is > it saved automatically on exit. The previous auto keep when you made zero changes was both annoyingly slow and daft, but to not auto keep especially after making edits breaks the whole Sugar Journal concept in one fell swoop (and even with no changes, I'd expect a Journal entry that just resumes to the default start page but with no whole 'saving project' cycle needed). First thing I imagine most kids would do with Etoys (well I do at least) is make the 'welcome' screen car hoot as it hits the screen edges, and then make it also hoot as it bounces off other graphic objects. Happy in discovering all the rather obscure/hidden menus and palettes to do this, I'd then stop to see all my effort vanish, unrecorded for posterity. I almost reported this as a critical bug. It took me a good hour of various reboots, reinstalls, and journal wipes before I realised the behaviour had fundamentally changed and I had to keep before EToys would bother making any Journal entry (even discovered all the hidden toolbutton menus for Publishing and exiting without saving et al, before realising I had to prime saving by hitting keep). Sorry for the negative report, I just think a well behaving EToys is really important, FWIW, I may just be an edge case kid at heart. --Gary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1
On 04.01.2009, at 20:26, Gary C Martin wrote: > build 8.2.1-7 Could start > . = success | Could stop (all must work ctrl-q, alt-esc, > toolbar, frame) > - = N/A | | Sound > x = fail | | | Journal entry > ? = unknown | | | | Useful journal resume state > * = see note | | | | | Frame palette title matches resumed title > | | | | | | License entry in activity.info > | | | | | | | Using bundle_id in activity.info > | | | | | | | | Frame picks-up live title changes > | | | | | | | | | > Etoys-94 . * . * . x . x x Ctrl-q fails to stop. > Stop no longer auto-keeps to > journal - you > need to manually keep a project > first, or > you loose changes made and see no > entry. This is no different than in 8.2.0 - assuming you just launched and immediately exited Etoys we do no longer create a useless Journal entry. Only if you make a new project (or rename the default one) is it saved automatically on exit. - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > Here's my Activity specific testing run through of all the activities > as currently installed by Activities/G1G1 What's required to get your activity listed here? > WikipediaEN-4 . . - . * . . x x Very slow following links 30sec+!! > Rainbow warning dialogue on > resume (but > did resume page), or after first > use. Sounds like something bad has crept into this activity. IIRC this summer it took only a few seconds. -Wade ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1
On 2 Jan 2009, at 16:09, Brian Pepple wrote: > Hi All, > > A pre-release build of 8.2.1 is now available for testing. It has > passed > an initial smoke test and now needs broader testing. > > The build download and problem reporting instructions are here: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing#Current_status > > The very early draft release notes are here: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.1 > > Please send a note to the list if you try this build even if you don't > find anything interesting. We want to measure our test capacity. > > Thanks, > /B > -- > Brian Pepple Here's my Activity specific testing run through of all the activities as currently installed by Activities/G1G1, a quick plea to Activity developers out there to update their links if they know a newer release works and should go with 8.2.1 (I've lots of other, much newer, versions that seem to work fine but have not made the auto update wiki page yet). Tested on a clean (nand-copy) of a fresh 8.2.1 staging-7 on an XO-1, then a software update from the control panel (via a WEP access point). No bugs filed or authors not directly pinged yet for any of the below. View with a fixed width font for the below columns to align... build 8.2.1-7 Could start . = success | Could stop (all must work ctrl-q, alt-esc, toolbar, frame) - = N/A | | Sound x = fail | | | Journal entry ? = unknown | | | | Useful journal resume state * = see note | | | | | Frame palette title matches resumed title | | | | | | License entry in activity.info | | | | | | | Using bundle_id in activity.info | | | | | | | | Frame picks-up live title changes | | | | | | | | | Analyze-8 . . - . x x . x x Browse-98 . . . . . . . x x Browse-101 needed for 8.2.1 PDF support. Calculate-25 . * - . . . . . x Ctrl-q fails to stop. Chat-48 . . - . . . . . x Joining shared activity does not pick-up correct title. Distance-14 . . . . x . . x x Etoys-94 . * . * . x . x x Ctrl-q fails to stop. Stop no longer auto-keeps to journal - you need to manually keep a project first, or you loose changes made and see no entry. Help-10 . . - . x . . x x Implode-5 . . - . . . . x x Log-16 . . - . x x . x x Maze-6 . . - . x x . . * Can't edit activity title. Measure-21 . * - . x . . x x Always keep error all changes will be lost! Memorize-28 . . . . * . . x x No game resume, but you can save custom memorize tile sets to the journal. Moon-8 . . - . . x . . x Paint-23 . . - . . . . x x Pippy-30 . . . . . . . . x Read-52 . . - . * . . x x Page meta-data lost after restart. Large pdfs will lock-up Sugar UI. Record-59 . . . . . . . x x UI response seems to have slowed but works. Ruler-3 . . - . x . . x x Scratch-12 . * . x x x * x x Alt-esc fails to stop, frame fails to stop. Nonstandard license string to a URL Speak-9 . . . . . . . . x Resuming starts speaking greetings before activity UI is revealed. TamTamEdit-50 . . . . . . . . x Lost all sound here once and needed to reboot. TamTamJam-51 . . . . . x . . x TamTamMini-49 . . . . x x . . x TamTamSynthLab-51 . . . . . x . . x Terminal-18 . . - . x x . x x TurtleArt-10 . . - . . . . x x WikipediaEN-4 . . - . * . . x x Very slow following links 30sec+!! Rainbow warning dialogue on resume (but did resume page), or after first use. Write-60 . . - . . . . x x --Gary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
