Re: [sugar] [support-gang] Microsoft
On Friday 16 May 2008 6:31:51 am Jim Gettys wrote: > Ah, Windows needs more than 1GB to be useful; so to run Windows you need > to pay extra for a SD card big enough to hold it. Mmm Windows doesn't need to do anything useful. It just needs to rake in $3. Once sold, you are free to load software that will do something useful. Tongue firmly in cheek, Subbu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] [support-gang] Microsoft
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thu, 15 May 2008, Steve Holton wrote: > > > >> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Seth Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Let's look at this with a slightly different lens before we blow up > >>> on NN > >>> and Microsoft. > >>> > >>> What does this agreement equate to? And what are the alternatives to > >>> Microsoft? > >>> > >>> If the XO was running a completely closed source stack with no > >>> documentation on hardware, how would the Linux community feel? They > >>> would > >>> feel that they were being shut out and not allowed to run whatever > >>> software > >>> they wanted to or develop. This is something the linux community has > >>> speared hardware companies over for years. > >> > >> > >> ...and to which the free software (linux) community would respond with a > >> reverse engineering effort, at it's own (collective) expense, and rather > >> quickly have a solution. If turnabout is fair play, let Microsoft > >> adopt the > >> free software community response as well. > >> > >> (When Cisco modified their WRT54G hardware so that Linux could no longer > >> run, the response was to strip-down the gnu/linux stack even more > >> until it > >> would run again.) > >> > >> It's doubtful the free software community would do what Microsoft is > >> demanding: asking the manufacturer to add 5-10% to the cost of the > >> hardware > >> to facilitate their efforts, nor would the free software community > >> charge a > >> $3.00 license fee for the use thereafter. > > > > I missed where the hardware was being changed and the cost going up to > > support this. what I read was that the boot firmware was being modified > > so that it could dual-boot into windows. > > > > please point me at the additional cost involved. > > > > David Lang > > from: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/technology/16laptop.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin > > "Windows will add a bit to the price of the machines, about $3, the > licensing > fee Microsoft charges to some developing nations under a program called > Unlimited Potential. For those nations that want dual-boot models, running > both > Windows and Linux, the extra hardware required will add another $7 or so to > the > cost of the machines, Mr. Negroponte said." > I think the extra hardware is the 2gb SD card, as XP + Office won't fit into the NAND (especially if you're dual booting...) Correct me if I'm wrong -Bobby Powers > > Simon > ___ > Sugar mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] [support-gang] Microsoft
Ah, Windows needs more than 1GB to be useful; so to run Windows you need to pay extra for a SD card big enough to hold it. Doesn't add any cost for Linux, which fits nicely on the internal 1GB flash. - Jim On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 02:57 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: > > from: > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/technology/16laptop.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin > > "Windows will add a bit to the price of the machines, about $3, the > licensing > fee Microsoft charges to some developing nations under a program > called > Unlimited Potential. For those nations that want dual-boot models, > running both > Windows and Linux, the extra hardware required will add another $7 or > so to the > cost of the machines, Mr. Negroponte said." > > Simon > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -- Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] [support-gang] Microsoft
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 2008, Steve Holton wrote: > >> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Seth Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Let's look at this with a slightly different lens before we blow up >>> on NN >>> and Microsoft. >>> >>> What does this agreement equate to? And what are the alternatives to >>> Microsoft? >>> >>> If the XO was running a completely closed source stack with no >>> documentation on hardware, how would the Linux community feel? They >>> would >>> feel that they were being shut out and not allowed to run whatever >>> software >>> they wanted to or develop. This is something the linux community has >>> speared hardware companies over for years. >> >> >> ...and to which the free software (linux) community would respond with a >> reverse engineering effort, at it's own (collective) expense, and rather >> quickly have a solution. If turnabout is fair play, let Microsoft >> adopt the >> free software community response as well. >> >> (When Cisco modified their WRT54G hardware so that Linux could no longer >> run, the response was to strip-down the gnu/linux stack even more >> until it >> would run again.) >> >> It's doubtful the free software community would do what Microsoft is >> demanding: asking the manufacturer to add 5-10% to the cost of the >> hardware >> to facilitate their efforts, nor would the free software community >> charge a >> $3.00 license fee for the use thereafter. > > I missed where the hardware was being changed and the cost going up to > support this. what I read was that the boot firmware was being modified > so that it could dual-boot into windows. > > please point me at the additional cost involved. > > David Lang from: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/technology/16laptop.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin "Windows will add a bit to the price of the machines, about $3, the licensing fee Microsoft charges to some developing nations under a program called Unlimited Potential. For those nations that want dual-boot models, running both Windows and Linux, the extra hardware required will add another $7 or so to the cost of the machines, Mr. Negroponte said." Simon ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
