Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 02:05:55PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: A hand-drawn proposal for what a Journal supporting directory traversal as well as tag space exploration is in the attached PDF. Discussion welcome! I am unable to view this PDF. It appears blank on this end. Would you

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Sep 23, 2008, at 2:05 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: A hand-drawn proposal for what a Journal supporting directory traversal as well as tag space exploration is in the attached PDF. Discussion welcome! FWIW, I made several impassioned proposals for these features -- in fact, with some visual

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, I thought you came to the conclusion that there was no use for ordered tags. What changed your mind? Was it the abilty to browse hierarchical systems with the Journal? I also thought you came to the conclusion

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so that's why you separate these legacy-hierarchical files with a light grey slash (/) . So that a kid who only knows the Journal tagging world can ignore it, and users who have know the hierarchical world can

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c. scott ananian wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so that's why you separate these legacy-hierarchical files with a light grey slash (/) . So that a kid who only knows the

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also imagine that the Extra options menu would appear in the main toolbar in the Detailed view. And aditionally, like in one of eben's mockup, once a entry is checked in this list view, either the main toolbar changes

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eben Eliason
I'm paying attention to this thread, quietly. I like a lot of this. :) I'll let it continue without interfering, for now, but I wanted to point out that the new toolbar design (posted on the wiki) would make that more actions option much nicer. For that matter, as Eduardo mentions, they don't

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so that's why you separate these legacy-hierarchical files with a light grey slash (/) . So that a kid who only knows the Journal tagging world can ignore it, and users who have know

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Bobby Powers
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm paying attention to this thread, quietly. I like a lot of this. :) I'll let it continue without interfering, for now, but I wanted to point out that the new toolbar design (posted on the wiki) would make that more

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm paying attention to this thread, quietly. I like a lot of this. :) I'll let it continue without interfering, for now, but I wanted to point out

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
Scott, I thought you came to the conclusion that there was no use for ordered tags. What changed your mind? Was it the abilty to browse hierarchical systems with the Journal? I also thought you came to the conclusion that turning directory names as tags alone worked. How would the results be

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
Ah, so that's why you separate these legacy-hierarchical files with a light grey slash (/) . So that a kid who only knows the Journal tagging world can ignore it, and users who have know the hierarchical world can understand it and make advance usage of that knowledge when transfering from or

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
I also imagine that the Extra options menu would appear in the main toolbar in the Detailed view. And aditionally, like in one of eben's mockup, once a entry is checked in this list view, either the main toolbar changes to provide contextual actions (those you placed in that menu, copy, apply

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
One extra thing that epiphany has that you didn't explicitelly showed in your mockup is, as you select/type tags, the most popular and/or recent section of the tag pane gets related tags thrown into its mix. Related tags are those which have been applied to objects along side the typed one(s).