Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot
OLPC kernels do *not* support NTFS (# CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set). It either should be activated in future builds or use another FS. I believe tha FAT32 (VFAT) can handle big drives and is universal. However it has a number of other problems that may not suit your needs (reliability, permissions etc) --- On Mon, 5/13/13, Braddock bradd...@braddock.com wrote: From: Braddock bradd...@braddock.com Subject: Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot To: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org, Holt h...@laptop.org, XS Devel server-de...@lists.laptop.org, Support Gangsters support-g...@laptop.org, Devel's in the Details devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Monday, May 13, 2013, 8:02 AM Hi James I'm using OpenFirmware Q7B26 EC Firmware 0.4.03 I have tried turning the boot flag off on the NTFS partition, but it still dumps me to the OpenFirmware ok prompt. I can reproduce the problem by formatting a USB stick to NTFS and trying to boot with it plugged in. So it is reacting badly to the mere presence of NTFS on USB media. -braddock On 05/12/2013 03:40 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 03:44:18PM -0400, Holt wrote: Is there a way to boot a large USB hard drive attached to an XO? At our XS Community Sprint this week outside Toronto, we've been unable to boot XOs with the 700+ GB drive(s) containing very polished open content provided by http://internet-in-a-box.org The XOs (eg. XO-4 etc) refuse to auto-boot, leaving the screen at the OK prompt. FYI our 1TB disk is a nearly complete snapshot of: * Wikipedia-in-41-languages, thumbnails for most all images * OpenStreetMap for the whole world cached at all zoom levels for fast display * Gutenberg Prjct's full collection of 40,000+ books, images * Khan Academy's ~4000 video classes, etc Does firmware currently block the mounting of all large USB drives -- NTFS in this case if not other filesystems? Open Firmware tries the first partition that is marked bootable. Exactly what it does next depends on the firmware version, but clearly in your case it stops booting. Might there be a workaround so isolated XO servers in Haiti (etc!) can hopefully auto-boot with this quality free content? Turn off the bootable flag using a partitioning program, ensure you are using latest firmware Q7B30, and attach a serial console for further debugging. If you can tell me how to reproduce the symptom, then I'm quite sure I can get it fixed. I certainly can't afford to download 700 GB or 1 TB to do that though. I'm happy to work with whoever has the drive and an XO-4. The nature and value of the content has no relationship to the diagnosis process, but is interesting regardless. ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot
NTFS is supported in OLPC builds, just not by the OS Kernel itself. The ntfs-3g filesystem in userspace package can be used to mount NTFS drives. So you should be able to use a command like mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/ntfs_partition /mnt/mountpoint if Sugar or GNOME do not automatically mount the filesystem for you. In general many Linux distributions seem to currently consider using ntfs-3g a better approach than using the kernel driver. The in-kernel driver still may not have full NTFS write support, while ntfs-3g does. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.comwrote: OLPC kernels do *not* support NTFS (# CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set). It either should be activated in future builds or use another FS. I believe tha FAT32 (VFAT) can handle big drives and is universal. However it has a number of other problems that may not suit your needs (reliability, permissions etc) --- On Mon, 5/13/13, Braddock bradd...@braddock.com wrote: From: Braddock bradd...@braddock.com Subject: Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot To: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org, Holt h...@laptop.org, XS Devel server-de...@lists.laptop.org, Support Gangsters support-g...@laptop.org, Devel's in the Details devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Monday, May 13, 2013, 8:02 AM Hi James I'm using OpenFirmware Q7B26 EC Firmware 0.4.03 I have tried turning the boot flag off on the NTFS partition, but it still dumps me to the OpenFirmware ok prompt. I can reproduce the problem by formatting a USB stick to NTFS and trying to boot with it plugged in. So it is reacting badly to the mere presence of NTFS on USB media. -braddock On 05/12/2013 03:40 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 03:44:18PM -0400, Holt wrote: Is there a way to boot a large USB hard drive attached to an XO? At our XS Community Sprint this week outside Toronto, we've been unable to boot XOs with the 700+ GB drive(s) containing very polished open content provided by http://internet-in-a-box.org The XOs (eg. XO-4 etc) refuse to auto-boot, leaving the screen at the OK prompt. FYI our 1TB disk is a nearly complete snapshot of: * Wikipedia-in-41-languages, thumbnails for most all images * OpenStreetMap for the whole world cached at all zoom levels for fast display * Gutenberg Prjct's full collection of 40,000+ books, images * Khan Academy's ~4000 video classes, etc Does firmware currently block the mounting of all large USB drives -- NTFS in this case if not other filesystems? Open Firmware tries the first partition that is marked bootable. Exactly what it does next depends on the firmware version, but clearly in your case it stops booting. Might there be a workaround so isolated XO servers in Haiti (etc!) can hopefully auto-boot with this quality free content? Turn off the bootable flag using a partitioning program, ensure you are using latest firmware Q7B30, and attach a serial console for further debugging. If you can tell me how to reproduce the symptom, then I'm quite sure I can get it fixed. I certainly can't afford to download 700 GB or 1 TB to do that though. I'm happy to work with whoever has the drive and an XO-4. The nature and value of the content has no relationship to the diagnosis process, but is interesting regardless. ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot
Indeed...but this is not an option as the XS=XO+TB needs to auto-boot after daily power failures in the developing world :) On 5/13/2013 9:53 AM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: NTFS is supported in OLPC builds, just not by the OS Kernel itself. The ntfs-3g filesystem in userspace package can be used to mount NTFS drives. So you should be able to use a command like mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/ntfs_partition /mnt/mountpoint if Sugar or GNOME do not automatically mount the filesystem for you. In general many Linux distributions seem to currently consider using ntfs-3g a better approach than using the kernel driver. The in-kernel driver still may not have full NTFS write support, while ntfs-3g does. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com mailto:mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: OLPC kernels do *not* support NTFS (# CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set). It either should be activated in future builds or use another FS. I believe tha FAT32 (VFAT) can handle big drives and is universal. However it has a number of other problems that may not suit your needs (reliability, permissions etc) --- On Mon, 5/13/13, Braddock bradd...@braddock.com mailto:bradd...@braddock.com wrote: From: Braddock bradd...@braddock.com mailto:bradd...@braddock.com Subject: Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot To: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org mailto:qu...@laptop.org, Holt h...@laptop.org mailto:h...@laptop.org, XS Devel server-de...@lists.laptop.org mailto:server-de...@lists.laptop.org, Support Gangsters support-g...@laptop.org mailto:support-g...@laptop.org, Devel's in the Details devel@lists.laptop.org mailto:devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Monday, May 13, 2013, 8:02 AM Hi James I'm using OpenFirmware Q7B26 EC Firmware 0.4.03 I have tried turning the boot flag off on the NTFS partition, but it still dumps me to the OpenFirmware ok prompt. I can reproduce the problem by formatting a USB stick to NTFS and trying to boot with it plugged in. So it is reacting badly to the mere presence of NTFS on USB media. -braddock On 05/12/2013 03:40 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 03:44:18PM -0400, Holt wrote: Is there a way to boot a large USB hard drive attached to an XO? At our XS Community Sprint this week outside Toronto, we've been unable to boot XOs with the 700+ GB drive(s) containing very polished open content provided by http://internet-in-a-box.org The XOs (eg. XO-4 etc) refuse to auto-boot, leaving the screen at the OK prompt. FYI our 1TB disk is a nearly complete snapshot of: * Wikipedia-in-41-languages, thumbnails for most all images * OpenStreetMap for the whole world cached at all zoom levels for fast display * Gutenberg Prjct's full collection of 40,000+ books, images * Khan Academy's ~4000 video classes, etc Does firmware currently block the mounting of all large USB drives -- NTFS in this case if not other filesystems? Open Firmware tries the first partition that is marked bootable. Exactly what it does next depends on the firmware version, but clearly in your case it stops booting. Might there be a workaround so isolated XO servers in Haiti (etc!) can hopefully auto-boot with this quality free content? Turn off the bootable flag using a partitioning program, ensure you are using latest firmware Q7B30, and attach a serial console for further debugging. If you can tell me how to reproduce the symptom, then I'm quite sure I can get it fixed. I certainly can't afford to download 700 GB or 1 TB to do that though. I'm happy to work with whoever has the drive and an XO-4. The nature and value of the content has no relationship to the diagnosis process, but is interesting regardless. ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org mailto:support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org mailto:support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang -- Help kids everywhere map their world, at http://olpcMAP.net ! ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot
Why? Can't be in a script? Gonzalo On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: Indeed...but this is not an option as the XS=XO+TB needs to auto-boot after daily power failures in the developing world :) On 5/13/2013 9:53 AM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: NTFS is supported in OLPC builds, just not by the OS Kernel itself. The ntfs-3g filesystem in userspace package can be used to mount NTFS drives. So you should be able to use a command like mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/ntfs_partition /mnt/mountpoint if Sugar or GNOME do not automatically mount the filesystem for you. In general many Linux distributions seem to currently consider using ntfs-3g a better approach than using the kernel driver. The in-kernel driver still may not have full NTFS write support, while ntfs-3g does. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: OLPC kernels do *not* support NTFS (# CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set). It either should be activated in future builds or use another FS. I believe tha FAT32 (VFAT) can handle big drives and is universal. However it has a number of other problems that may not suit your needs (reliability, permissions etc) --- On Mon, 5/13/13, Braddock bradd...@braddock.com wrote: From: Braddock bradd...@braddock.com Subject: Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot To: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org, Holt h...@laptop.org, XS Devel server-de...@lists.laptop.org, Support Gangsters support-g...@laptop.org, Devel's in the Details devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Monday, May 13, 2013, 8:02 AM Hi James I'm using OpenFirmware Q7B26 EC Firmware 0.4.03 I have tried turning the boot flag off on the NTFS partition, but it still dumps me to the OpenFirmware ok prompt. I can reproduce the problem by formatting a USB stick to NTFS and trying to boot with it plugged in. So it is reacting badly to the mere presence of NTFS on USB media. -braddock On 05/12/2013 03:40 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 03:44:18PM -0400, Holt wrote: Is there a way to boot a large USB hard drive attached to an XO? At our XS Community Sprint this week outside Toronto, we've been unable to boot XOs with the 700+ GB drive(s) containing very polished open content provided by http://internet-in-a-box.org The XOs (eg. XO-4 etc) refuse to auto-boot, leaving the screen at the OK prompt. FYI our 1TB disk is a nearly complete snapshot of: * Wikipedia-in-41-languages, thumbnails for most all images * OpenStreetMap for the whole world cached at all zoom levels for fast display * Gutenberg Prjct's full collection of 40,000+ books, images * Khan Academy's ~4000 video classes, etc Does firmware currently block the mounting of all large USB drives -- NTFS in this case if not other filesystems? Open Firmware tries the first partition that is marked bootable. Exactly what it does next depends on the firmware version, but clearly in your case it stops booting. Might there be a workaround so isolated XO servers in Haiti (etc!) can hopefully auto-boot with this quality free content? Turn off the bootable flag using a partitioning program, ensure you are using latest firmware Q7B30, and attach a serial console for further debugging. If you can tell me how to reproduce the symptom, then I'm quite sure I can get it fixed. I certainly can't afford to download 700 GB or 1 TB to do that though. I'm happy to work with whoever has the drive and an XO-4. The nature and value of the content has no relationship to the diagnosis process, but is interesting regardless. ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang -- Help kids everywhere map their world, at http://olpcMAP.net ! ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot
On 5/13/2013 10:45 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: Why? Can't be in a script? We can't run a script if we cannot boot =) (Due to firmware incompatibility w/ NTFS USB drives, forcing us to the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ok prompt, preventing auto-boot) Gonzalo On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Holt h...@laptop.org mailto:h...@laptop.org wrote: Indeed...but this is not an option as the XS=XO+TB needs to auto-boot after daily power failures in the developing world :) On 5/13/2013 9:53 AM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: NTFS is supported in OLPC builds, just not by the OS Kernel itself. The ntfs-3g filesystem in userspace package can be used to mount NTFS drives. So you should be able to use a command like mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/ntfs_partition /mnt/mountpoint if Sugar or GNOME do not automatically mount the filesystem for you. In general many Linux distributions seem to currently consider using ntfs-3g a better approach than using the kernel driver. The in-kernel driver still may not have full NTFS write support, while ntfs-3g does. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com mailto:mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: OLPC kernels do *not* support NTFS (# CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set). It either should be activated in future builds or use another FS. I believe tha FAT32 (VFAT) can handle big drives and is universal. However it has a number of other problems that may not suit your needs (reliability, permissions etc) --- On Mon, 5/13/13, Braddock bradd...@braddock.com mailto:bradd...@braddock.com wrote: From: Braddock bradd...@braddock.com mailto:bradd...@braddock.com Subject: Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot To: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org mailto:qu...@laptop.org, Holt h...@laptop.org mailto:h...@laptop.org, XS Devel server-de...@lists.laptop.org mailto:server-de...@lists.laptop.org, Support Gangsters support-g...@laptop.org mailto:support-g...@laptop.org, Devel's in the Details devel@lists.laptop.org mailto:devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Monday, May 13, 2013, 8:02 AM Hi James I'm using OpenFirmware Q7B26 EC Firmware 0.4.03 I have tried turning the boot flag off on the NTFS partition, but it still dumps me to the OpenFirmware ok prompt. I can reproduce the problem by formatting a USB stick to NTFS and trying to boot with it plugged in. So it is reacting badly to the mere presence of NTFS on USB media. -braddock On 05/12/2013 03:40 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 03:44:18PM -0400, Holt wrote: Is there a way to boot a large USB hard drive attached to an XO? At our XS Community Sprint this week outside Toronto, we've been unable to boot XOs with the 700+ GB drive(s) containing very polished open content provided by http://internet-in-a-box.org The XOs (eg. XO-4 etc) refuse to auto-boot, leaving the screen at the OK prompt. FYI our 1TB disk is a nearly complete snapshot of: * Wikipedia-in-41-languages, thumbnails for most all images * OpenStreetMap for the whole world cached at all zoom levels for fast display * Gutenberg Prjct's full collection of 40,000+ books, images * Khan Academy's ~4000 video classes, etc Does firmware currently block the mounting of all large USB drives -- NTFS in this case if not other filesystems? Open Firmware tries the first partition that is marked bootable. Exactly what it does next depends on the firmware version, but clearly in your case it stops booting. Might there be a workaround so isolated XO servers in Haiti (etc!) can hopefully auto-boot with this quality free content? Turn off the bootable flag using a partitioning program, ensure you are using latest firmware Q7B30, and attach a serial console for further debugging. If you can tell me how to reproduce the symptom, then I'm quite sure I can get it fixed. I certainly can't afford to download 700 GB or 1 TB to do that though. I'm happy to work with whoever has the drive and an XO-4. The nature and value of the content has no relationship to the diagnosis process, but is interesting regardless
Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: On 5/13/2013 10:45 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: Why? Can't be in a script? We can't run a script if we cannot boot =) (Due to firmware incompatibility w/ NTFS USB drives, forcing us to the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ok prompt, preventing auto-boot) Of course :) That need be solved. Gonzalo On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: Indeed...but this is not an option as the XS=XO+TB needs to auto-boot after daily power failures in the developing world :) On 5/13/2013 9:53 AM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: NTFS is supported in OLPC builds, just not by the OS Kernel itself. The ntfs-3g filesystem in userspace package can be used to mount NTFS drives. So you should be able to use a command like mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/ntfs_partition /mnt/mountpoint if Sugar or GNOME do not automatically mount the filesystem for you. In general many Linux distributions seem to currently consider using ntfs-3g a better approach than using the kernel driver. The in-kernel driver still may not have full NTFS write support, while ntfs-3g does. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: OLPC kernels do *not* support NTFS (# CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set). It either should be activated in future builds or use another FS. I believe tha FAT32 (VFAT) can handle big drives and is universal. However it has a number of other problems that may not suit your needs (reliability, permissions etc) --- On Mon, 5/13/13, Braddock bradd...@braddock.com wrote: From: Braddock bradd...@braddock.com Subject: Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot To: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org, Holt h...@laptop.org, XS Devel server-de...@lists.laptop.org, Support Gangsters support-g...@laptop.org, Devel's in the Details devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Monday, May 13, 2013, 8:02 AM Hi James I'm using OpenFirmware Q7B26 EC Firmware 0.4.03 I have tried turning the boot flag off on the NTFS partition, but it still dumps me to the OpenFirmware ok prompt. I can reproduce the problem by formatting a USB stick to NTFS and trying to boot with it plugged in. So it is reacting badly to the mere presence of NTFS on USB media. -braddock On 05/12/2013 03:40 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 03:44:18PM -0400, Holt wrote: Is there a way to boot a large USB hard drive attached to an XO? At our XS Community Sprint this week outside Toronto, we've been unable to boot XOs with the 700+ GB drive(s) containing very polished open content provided by http://internet-in-a-box.org The XOs (eg. XO-4 etc) refuse to auto-boot, leaving the screen at the OK prompt. FYI our 1TB disk is a nearly complete snapshot of: * Wikipedia-in-41-languages, thumbnails for most all images * OpenStreetMap for the whole world cached at all zoom levels for fast display * Gutenberg Prjct's full collection of 40,000+ books, images * Khan Academy's ~4000 video classes, etc Does firmware currently block the mounting of all large USB drives -- NTFS in this case if not other filesystems? Open Firmware tries the first partition that is marked bootable. Exactly what it does next depends on the firmware version, but clearly in your case it stops booting. Might there be a workaround so isolated XO servers in Haiti (etc!) can hopefully auto-boot with this quality free content? Turn off the bootable flag using a partitioning program, ensure you are using latest firmware Q7B30, and attach a serial console for further debugging. If you can tell me how to reproduce the symptom, then I'm quite sure I can get it fixed. I certainly can't afford to download 700 GB or 1 TB to do that though. I'm happy to work with whoever has the drive and an XO-4. The nature and value of the content has no relationship to the diagnosis process, but is interesting regardless. ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang -- Help kids everywhere map their world, at http://olpcMAP.net ! ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Help kids everywhere map their world, at http://olpcMAP.net ! ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org
Re: [support-gang] [Server-devel] 1TB drive of quality open content on XO/XS--won't boot
On May 13, 2013 10:32 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: OLPC kernels do *not* support NTFS (# CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set). It either should be activated in future builds or use another FS. I believe tha FAT32 (VFAT) can handle big drives and is universal. However it has a number of other problems that may not suit your needs (reliability, permissions etc) Why not UDF? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
