Re: Data Storage and User-facing System Requirements [was Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files]

2008-10-31 Thread Erik Garrison
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 03:09:16PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Erik Garrison wrote: > > It seems from my reading of mailing lists, IRC logs, and listening to > > conversations with people that we are trying to resolve all of these > > is

Re: Data Storage and User-facing System Requirements [was Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files]

2008-10-30 Thread david
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Erik Garrison wrote: >> It seems from my reading of mailing lists, IRC logs, and listening to >> conversations with people that we are trying to resolve all of these >> issues by implementing mor

Re: Data Storage and User-facing System Requirements [was Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files]

2008-10-30 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik Garrison wrote: > It seems from my reading of mailing lists, IRC logs, and listening to > conversations with people that we are trying to resolve all of these > issues by implementing more code to get around difficulties imposed by > our current d

Data Storage and User-facing System Requirements [was Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files]

2008-10-30 Thread Erik Garrison
Thank you to the repliers to my original proposal. I missed a crucial point--- which is that I must clearly draw the lines of connection between user-facing requirements and the solutions provided by my proposal. I am rewriting it with this pattern in mind. If you wish to reply on the mailing li

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-30 Thread Morgan Collett
2008/10/30 Luke Faraone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 20:50, Bill Bogstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > the fact that they will quickly disappear off the screen, and may be >> > auto-deleted by the system greatly limits their value. >> >> Only if they don't get used. In which

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-29 Thread david
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Bill Bogstad wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:11 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Bill Bogstad wrote: >> > >>> Alternative proposal to encourage Journal use: >>> >>> When the system boots, start in the Activity view with the Journal; >>> not in the Hom

Re: 9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-29 Thread S Page
Erik Garrison wrote: > However, it is unclear how hacking is > supposed to proceed within Sugar without some exposure to the underlying > filesystem. Run Browse and you start with "OLPC Library". Click in the location field and you see file:///home/olpc/.library_pages/index.html. Any inquisit

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-29 Thread Luke Faraone
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 20:50, Bill Bogstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the fact that they will quickly disappear off the screen, and may be > > auto-deleted by the system greatly limits their value. > > Only if they don't get used. In which case, those entries should > scroll off the bottom a

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-29 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:11 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Bill Bogstad wrote: > >> Alternative proposal to encourage Journal use: >> >> When the system boots, start in the Activity view with the Journal; >> not in the Home view. Pre-populate Journal with entries for the >

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-29 Thread david
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Bill Bogstad wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> 2) Data access and user-perceived reliability: >> >> Problem: Users can't find things because they're not providing enough >> metadata for search to work, and there's

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-29 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2) Data access and user-perceived reliability: > > Problem: Users can't find things because they're not providing enough > metadata for search to work, and there's too much stuff for them to find > it without searc

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-28 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mel Chua wrote: > I'm going to try to reword this as a list of features that would potentially > be good for the XO to have Me too. I should make my bias clear: I believe we should put our efforts into improving our existing datastore/Journal implem

Re: 9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-28 Thread david
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Mel Chua wrote: 1) Compatibility with existing applications Feature: Making it possible to convert Linux/X applications into Activity bundles, retaining all important functionality, without source code alterations. Current Sugar: Has a custom API for saving data that's "di

Re: 9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-28 Thread Mel Chua
I'm going to try to reword this as a list of features that would potentially be good for the XO to have, followed with a section on how Sugar currently addresses the problem, and then potential solutions, including - but not limited to - "modifying the datastore to provide human-readable file names

9.1 Proposal: Files

2008-10-27 Thread Erik Garrison
By reintroducing the concept of files to our systems we can simplify our work in a number of areas relative to 8.2: - Compatibility with existing applications: One of the principal reasons that the tens of thousands of open source applications that run on Linux aren't usable under Sugar is that we