Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
:) Good job!! Claudia On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Our short-term goal is to meet a release criteria of no regressions against build 801. Once this is done, we'll re-sync with the latest improvements from our upstreams, F11-XO1.5 and F11-XO1. Bravo. To Stephen, to all the ParaguayEduca folks pushing for this. To you. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 13:44 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll go with Mikus on that. With at least 3 development streams some qualifier is needed in the naming. eg os115x1/os115x15/os115py +1 -- and remember to keep it all 8.3 :-) Done: the next image will be called something like os117py.img I've always wondered why the XO builds don't have a real name. Everyone seems to generically refer to them as OS. For some time, I've been calling it xoos, then I realized I was the only one and gave up. Analogously, f11-xo1 is hardly pronounceable and f11-xo1-py is even worse. Where's Steve Jobs when we need him? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
I'll go with Mikus on that. With at least 3 development streams some qualifier is needed in the naming. eg os115x1/os115x15/os115py --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: From: Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay To: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org Cc: OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org, Fedora OLPC List fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 7:38 PM In my opinion, the name selected for this Paraguay build can create quite a bit of confusion. It used to be possible to distinguish within current development of F11-based builds by their naming -- 11 (or thereabouts) from Parrish for the XO-1, 67 (or thereabouts) from Innocenti for the XO-1, 116 (or thereabouts) from Ball for the XO-1.5. [64 and 200 were signed - so somewhat outsiders.] Now every mention of 115 will have to be qualified -- I mean the one focused for Paraguay versus -- I mean the one for general XO-1.5 testing. Bah, mikus ___ olpc mailing list o...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/olpc ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 02:47:33PM -0300, Bernie Innocenti wrote: http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os115.img http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os115.crc http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os115.img.fs.zip Can we agree on some naming scheme that distinguishes between F11-on-XO1.5 and F11-on-XO1? Having both named exactly the same is rather confusing. * Add patent-encumbered multimedia codecs (gstreamer-plugins-bad) So who can legally a) distribute and b) use this image? CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
so follow the red hat scheme of .arch OLPC/XObuildnumber.FC11.via.iso and .rpm? Not that I have a personal XO 1.5 but got my greedly little hands on one for FOSE demoing this week ;-/, but alas it has to go back today, and very little time to play with it, much less install a testing build... (actually not allow to install anything on it, as agreement from lender...) BTW: ran into someone who had been to SCALE? and saw the XO stuff there... On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-olpc-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 02:47:33PM -0300, Bernie Innocenti wrote: http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os115.img http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os115.crc http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os115.img.fs.zip Can we agree on some naming scheme that distinguishes between F11-on-XO1.5 and F11-on-XO1? Having both named exactly the same is rather confusing. * Add patent-encumbered multimedia codecs (gstreamer-plugins-bad) So who can legally a) distribute and b) use this image? CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLreXXAAoJELpz82VMF3DaPiMH/AthKA7MZNtiPv3X8QSzJShW ywa8DAqQ8vXpKFmY1MG/L/bnkWIHwPWjQ1qrU1s1LXTXToGTjU/bzSzJtknDepF/ Pn3P7a50Y2lzrmfYmmFa/VVWzf9DvWnkKifgOSJABdJxDkbhho2FyPI/2GWces8k HGrq3lvNY6HqWbJw8x46Nxetg68C66gY+aX2e5JRgEBD0ywkiT82C5oTb6HIa08f +hSWLmvOzsX2B9gRA6OtJdxhFtZHJaIYSESPEepHpptQ52aCzOsuG/p/RUch7uzU z2SIcIr5u4mMC3bxSRFI7WZP92PA61TE0eH8BpwiCITlyxdZvbYiv7ndmEFbqLk= =NcJv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- DancesWithCars leave the wolves behind ;-) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 12:02 +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: Can we agree on some naming scheme that distinguishes between F11-on-XO1.5 and F11-on-XO1? Having both named exactly the same is rather confusing. Good point, I'll see what I can do. * Add patent-encumbered multimedia codecs (gstreamer-plugins-bad) So who can legally a) distribute and b) use this image? The short answer is: anyone :-) Unlike copyright infringement, patent infringement is not by itself an illegal act [1]. The actual question is: who can *safely* use/distribute this image without being asked to pay royalties by the patent holder? 1) People living free nations where software patents are not applicable 2) Subjects who are not worth suing for patent infringement 3) Anyone who can hide their act from the patent holders ;-) 4) Subjects who already hold a license, of course 5) Subjects on which the patent holders declined to enforce license fees (the Wikipedia mentions some for MP3 [2]) Since I'm writing this from outside the US, I'm not required to say that I'm not a lawyer to give my opinion on legal matters, but of course you may want to double-check these statements with someone more competent. People generally lump proprietary software and patent-encumbered software together, calling both of them non-free. However, software containing an idea that was patented somewhere isn't non-free per se. This label shall be put on the specific nations restricting its usage. I'm interested in debating this subject further, but we're probably off-topic for this list. Let's move follow ups off-list, or to a more specific list. [1] This was explained by the president of the FFII at FOSDEM: http://archive.fosdem.org/2008/schedule/events/257 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#cite_ref-44 -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll go with Mikus on that. With at least 3 development streams some qualifier is needed in the naming. eg os115x1/os115x15/os115py +1 -- and remember to keep it all 8.3 :-) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
mavrot...@yahoo.com said: I'll go with Mikus on that. With at least 3 development streams some qualifier is needed in the naming. eg os115x1/os115x15/os115py There is another worm in this can. After installation, that name has to get out where we can easily see it. The My Settings/About My Computer window has a slot for Build. One system says: release 11 (Leonidas) Another says: 115 So in addition to the XO-1 vs XO-1.5, I think that slot should also contain F11 or whatever upstream release is underneath everything. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
This is a custom XO-1 OS image released by the Paraguay Educa technology team for field testing in Caacupé: http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os115.img http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os115.crc http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os115.img.fs.zip The system is a derivative of Stephen Parrish's excellent F11-XO1 series, frozen a few weeks ago to concentrate on stability and field testing. Our short-term goal is to meet a release criteria of no regressions against build 801. Once this is done, we'll re-sync with the latest improvements from our upstreams, F11-XO1.5 and F11-XO1. == Changes relative to the previous release (OS65 Paraguay) == * Removed all translations except English and Spanish to save space * 3G broadband support (untested, probably buggy) * Pick up all fixes from fedora-updates * Add patent-encumbered multimedia codecs (gstreamer-plugins-bad) == Bugs fixed == * Write activity doesn't let you cut, paste or delete selection http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1817 * Robot function in Speak does not work http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10059 * Graphics artifacts with some GMail backgrounds http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10076 * Black GTK buttons in Gnome and elsewhere http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7830 * Keyboard misconfigured if A/C is unplugged on first boot after update * NetworkManager crashes on suspend/resume (we have only a temporary work-around, tch is working on a solution) * Disable automatic power management even on first boot (this is a temporary work-around for wi-fi and XVideo bugs) * Activities updates from ASLO should go through local mirror http://trac.paraguayeduca.org/ticket/553 == Known bugs == Remaining bugs are summarized here: http://wiki.paraguayeduca.org/index.php/Devel/Builds/Todo In particular, these are the remaining *known* regressions wrt the old stable build from OLPC (OS801 Paraguay): * Record does not record sound http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1244 * NetworkManager crashes on resume from suspend We have an temporary workaround. See thread with subject NetworkManager from fedora-updates-testing broken on F11-XO1 for full details. Many more bugs are likely to be filed over the next days, as our testing team works through their test plan. == How to help testing == Feedback from the entire community is of course welcome as well. Bugs belonging to upstream components should be filed in the usual trackers: * Sugar and activities: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ * Fedora 11: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/ * Drivers and OLPC customizations: http://dev.laptop.org/ * Paraguay-specific bugs: http://trac.paraguayeduca.org/ If you're unsure where a bug belongs to, use the Paragauy Educa bug tracker. Please, always cc me so I can keep the status summary updated. We're unlikely to dedicate much attention to bugs affecting Gnome and obscure activities with no active maintainer, but it's good to stay informed on what's broken anyway. For everything else, we'll do our best, with the help of OLPC, Fedora, and Sugar Labs. == How to join development == Build system source: http://git.paraguayeduca.org/gitweb/users/bernie/olpc-os-builder.git Yum Repository of our custom RPMs: http://repo.paraguayeduca.org/f11-xo1-py/i386/os/ -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Our short-term goal is to meet a release criteria of no regressions against build 801. Once this is done, we'll re-sync with the latest improvements from our upstreams, F11-XO1.5 and F11-XO1. Bravo. To Stephen, to all the ParaguayEduca folks pushing for this. To you. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay
In my opinion, the name selected for this Paraguay build can create quite a bit of confusion. It used to be possible to distinguish within current development of F11-based builds by their naming -- 11 (or thereabouts) from Parrish for the XO-1, 67 (or thereabouts) from Innocenti for the XO-1, 116 (or thereabouts) from Ball for the XO-1.5. [64 and 200 were signed - so somewhat outsiders.] Now every mention of 115 will have to be qualified -- I mean the one focused for Paraguay versus -- I mean the one for general XO-1.5 testing. Bah, mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
