Acoustic distance measurement test results

2007-11-18 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
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Joyride builds currently include my Acoustic Tape Measure activity, designed to
turn any pair of laptops into a tool for measuring distance.  Today, I decided
to test the maximum range.  I used two B4's running clean installs of joyride 
289.

I went to the MIT football field, because it is a large, flat, open space with
clearly labeled distance markings.  Unfortunately, there were no markings
visible on the field, so I made measurements on the adjacent long-jump track,
which is labeled in feet.

Measurement worked perfectly up to 30 m (100 ft), with at most 1 cm of
variability, and usually none. Measurement worked unreliably up to 40 m, giving
spurious answers except during lulls in the wind. (Almost all microphones record
high-amplitude noise in the presence of wind.)

I have several ideas for increasing range (or equivalently, improving noise
tolerance).  However, I did not make any attempt to implement them, because it
was too cold out for programming.

I also encountered some difficulty when sharing the activity over the mesh at
distances greater than 25 meters.  This might be because the default mesh
frequency (Channel 1) is the same as MIT's pervasive wireless network.  After
switching to mesh channel 11, I had no difficulty sharing over distances up to 
40 m.

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Re: Acoustic distance measurement test results

2007-11-18 Thread quozl
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 06:01:22PM -0500, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
 I also encountered some difficulty when sharing the activity over the
 mesh at distances greater than 25 meters.  This might be because the
 default mesh frequency (Channel 1) is the same as MIT's pervasive
 wireless network.  After switching to mesh channel 11, I had no
 difficulty sharing over distances up to 40 m.

Your observations are consistent with mine, subject to variables you
didn't mention.

How high off the ground were the laptops?  At ground height, with ears
up, the node to node transmission distance is very small.  That's why
school server antennas will be mounted high.

A football field normally has very little slope, so the terrain
obstruction is easily understood.

It might also be an area with a large radio noise background.  By
placing the laptops on the ground you may also have reduced the noise
from nearby transmitters.

With two laptops in a paddock or dirt road away from any city, I can
easily get to 300m on with the laptops at 1.5m above ground.

Nearby, I can reproduce 1.6km on a tar road with about 5% packet loss.

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Re: Acoustic distance measurement test results

2007-11-18 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How high off the ground were the laptops?  At ground height, with ears
 up, the node to node transmission distance is very small.  That's why
 school server antennas will be mounted high.

The laptops were sitting directly on the ground.

 A football field normally has very little slope, so the terrain
 obstruction is easily understood.

Specifically, the laptops were sitting on the rubberized track surrounding the
field.  The surface appeared perfectly level to me, and free of obstructions
apart from myself.

It's entirely possible that what I saw was actually some unknown unrelated
software bug.  I wasn't intending to test wireless range, so I can't really say
anything more conclusive than it worked easily to at least 25m.

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Re: Acoustic distance measurement test results

2007-11-18 Thread James Cameron
On 19/11/2007, at 11:31 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
 The laptops were sitting directly on the ground.

Good, consistent results confirmed.

 Specifically, the laptops were sitting on the rubberized track  
 surrounding the
 field.  The surface appeared perfectly level to me, and free of  
 obstructions
 apart from myself.

Hmm, interesting.  Black rubberised track may contain a lot of  
carbon, may end up behing a good reflector for the signal.  Excluding  
grass improves the signal.

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Re: Acoustic distance measurement test results

2007-11-18 Thread Jim Gettys

Heh.  He said MIT; the field is surrounded by dormitories: very noisy
environment

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