9.1.0 Weekly Meeting Minutes (formerly called the feature roadmap meeting)

2008-12-04 Thread Greg Smith
Caryl, Chris, Scott, Ed, CJL, Greg, Marco and possibly others met on 
IRC, Wed. December 3.

Next meeting December 10 2PM US ET. See agenda below.

Notes:
- XO camp update. See: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2
Comment that travel budget is not final but Ed is working on it. 
Discussion about the goal of the meeting (see link) and comment that SJ 
plans to add a community track of meetings which will run in parallel 
to the technical proposals.
Comment by Scott:
for the record, i think we should come up with a better goal for xocamp2
Request that anyone who is presenting or has something valuable to add, 
please update the proposals with agenda details and presentations. More 
time reserved next meeting week for XO Camp. All are welcome to iron out 
goal and proposals in e-mail and on the wiki page.

- Status and action items for Feature roadmap page: 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap

Comment that Greg and S. are working on turning it in to a sortable 
semantic format. See definition here: 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Semantic_MediaWiki#Software_features_December_proposal

When all well-defined features are listed in the main section, we will 
triage them for inclusion in 9.1. Target of next Wed to start feature 
triage.

- Agree on Trac conventions for 9.1.
General agreement that Milestone = 9.1.0 will list all bugs which are 
targeted for the release. IDs with milestone = 9.1.0 will be turned 
into real, implementable work with someone working on them (or assigned 
to them, even if work hasn't started).

More trac usage to be defined in follow up meeting which Ed will convene 
with Michael and others. Will also cover synching with upstream bug 
systems. Discussion of Trac - Bugzilla, Trac to Trac, and OLPC - Fedora 
tools.

After the meeting, Ed and team will update this page: 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Trac_conventions for 9.1.0.

Goal to start review of all open Trac items December 15 and 16, four 
hours each day. End result will be a list of must fix bugs for 9.1.0.

- General comment by Greg:
To post 9.1.0 in March we must have a clean list of features and must 
fix bugs before Christmas!

Time to ratchet up the productivity! See the updated 9.1.0 page, 
especially the schedule section: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0

Edits and additions welcome.

- Action items
* Everyone to update roadmap page. I especially need help finding a home 
for everything in the engineering section: 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Priorities_from_Engineering
Please move your comments from there in to the main section.

* Greg to get semantic format in place and start flagging features for 
9.1.0.

* Ed to convene meeting on trac conventions for 9.1.0

* Greg to update XOcamp page with an attendee section

* Greg to schedule two grueling bug backlog triage meetings for 12/15 
and 1/16.

Next meeting December 10, 2PM US ET, IRC freenode.net #olpc-meeting.

Agenda for next week:
20 minutes - XO Camp update
20 minutes roadmap update and 9.1.0 page edits (especially schedule)
10 minutes finalize and approve trac usage
10 agenda and action items for next week

Comments and additions welcome!

Thanks,

Greg S


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XO Feature Roadmap meeting on today at 2PM US ET IRC freenode.net #olpc-meeting

2008-11-26 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All,

The weekly XO Feature Roadmap meeting is on today at:
2PM US ET IRC freenode.net #olpc-meeting

Minutes from the last meeting and agenda for todays meeting are here:
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/021252.html

The count down to release 9.1 has begun!

Target release day is March 7. Assuming we hit the date, we have 101 
days from today until the release.

Thanks,

Greg S


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Re: XO Feature Roadmap meeting on today at 2PM US ET IRC freenode.net #olpc-meeting

2008-11-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg

On 26.11.2008, at 15:27, Greg Smith wrote:

 Hi All,

 The weekly XO Feature Roadmap meeting is on today at:
 2PM US ET IRC freenode.net #olpc-meeting

 Minutes from the last meeting and agenda for todays meeting are here:
 http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/021252.html

 The count down to release 9.1 has begun!

 Target release day is March 7. Assuming we hit the date, we have 101
 days from today until the release.


Will there still be an 8.2.1 release? Have not heard of that in a while.

- Bert -


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Re: XO Feature Roadmap meeting on today at 2PM US ET IRC freenode.net #olpc-meeting To: OLPC Development

2008-11-26 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Bert,

We are closer to an 8.2.1. The main motivator is likely to be a few bug 
fixes for Uruguay.

It will be a very focused release, just resolving a few specific items 
over 8.2.0. Not taking the Joyride branch.

That's the latest thinking but its not final yet. I'll keep the list up 
to date on plans as they develop and I'll update the 8.2.1 section of 
this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Releases.

Thanks,

Greg S

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:02:08 +0100 From: Bert Freudenberg 
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text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 26.11.2008, at 15:27, 
Greg Smith wrote:
   Hi All,
  
   The weekly XO Feature Roadmap meeting is on today at:
   2PM US ET IRC freenode.net #olpc-meeting
  
   Minutes from the last meeting and agenda for todays meeting are here:
   http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/021252.html
  
   The count down to release 9.1 has begun!
  
   Target release day is March 7. Assuming we hit the date, we have 101
   days from today until the release.


Will there still be an 8.2.1 release? Have not heard of that in a while.

- Bert -

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XO Feature Roadmap Meeting Minutes from November 26

2008-11-26 Thread Greg Smith
Ed, Gary, Deepak, Ben, Caryl and possibly other met on IRC on Wed. 
November 25.

Minutes:

- XO Camp miniconference dates are set for January 12 - 16 in Cambridge!

* Greg, Ed and others to update XO camp agenda to refine it and follow 
up with presenters to get more detailed agendas and presentations.

- Feature Roadmap page and 9.1 planning 
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap) :
* Greg to send e-mail to Mel asking for help recruiting people to work 
on the Feature roadmap page. The roadmap gang will work on updating the 
feature roadmap page to ensure every important feature request has a 
place and adding tags and reformatting as needed.

* Greg to send cjb and ed and invite for a power meeting (other key 
stakeholders welcome so may do it on IRC if there is demand). Current 
documentation on requirements is at: 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Power_management

* Greg to add detail to meaning of Deployability as the goal for 9.1. So 
far, the top 5 items for 9.1 are:
- Rebasing on F10
- power management
- localization/translation
- activation/lease/signing/management
- run linux and any linux app easily

Other things can be worked on as bug fixes. Lots of debate about feature 
vs. bug. Agreement that major areas of work should have an item on the 
feature roadmap page but Trac will also be tagged to allow easy querying 
of must fix bugs. Discussion of touchpad as something we will work on 
and how to document it.

Main idea is that all items have one or more tickets in Trac. Main 
topics and features should also have a location in the Wiki which can 
also list Trac bugs.

Mention that we need to keep 9.1 plan up to date with sugar plans 
(http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/0.84/Ideas). I believe that is 
all accounted for but should check for synch again soon.

Next steps on Roadmap page are to get the feature roadmap in to shape by 
Wed. December 3. Then documentation can focus more on Trac after that.

Next meeting: Wed. December 3, 2PM US ET IRC Freenode.net #olpc-meeting 
channel.

Agenda for next week:

10 minutes - XO camp update
10 minutes - Status and action items for Feature roadmap page updates.
30 minutes - Agree on Trac conventions for 9.1.
10 minutes - Set agenda for next week and write down action items.

Thanks,

Greg S

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Re: XO Feature Roadmap Meeting Minutes from November 26

2008-11-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Ed, Gary, Deepak, Ben, Caryl and possibly other met on IRC on Wed.
 November 25.


Sorry to not have made this, still fighting with the jet lag here...



 - Feature Roadmap page and 9.1 planning
 (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap) :



I went through it and I'm a bit confused about time/scope/target:

* What's the time target of these features? I assume 9.1 *and* beyhond?
* Is it work OLPC stuff is going to do or something we encourage the
community to take over?
* Do we need some sort of consensus about features before adding them to the
roadmap? For example it's the first time I hear Joe remove the frame idea
and I don't think it has been discussed at all with the design team.
* Any reason to *not* use trac directly for it instead of the wiki? It
mostly seems like a list of items.
* How do I propose a feature to be added to the list?

Thanks,
Marco
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Re: XO Feature Roadmap Meeting Minutes from November 26

2008-11-26 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Marco,

NP on the meeting, thanks for reading the minutes!
Comments inline.

  * What's the time target of these features? I assume 9.1 *and* beyhond?

GS - This page is the heap of all items we have thought of building on 
the XO: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap I have a few days left 
to make sure everything under consideration is on there. Then I plan to 
start tagging items for 9.1 and adding other tags. For 9.1, a quick 
filter will show what is top priority for that release. In the end I 
want it to look like this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs

Then I will have a separate 9.1 page with the 9.1 filter and additional 
project management details (schedule etc. like we did in 8.2) and a 
statement of goals.

  * Is it work OLPC stuff is going to do or something we encourage the
  community to take over?

GS - Its going to cover both. I need to get the top priority OLPC stuff 
nailed down ASAP. Then I want to list the things which are important to 
XO users and make it easy for anyone to work on those.

  * Do we need some sort of consensus about features before adding them 
to the
  roadmap? For example it's the first time I hear Joe remove the 
frame idea
  and I don't think it has been discussed at all with the design team.

GS - No consensus needed to put it on this page. Just follow the 
guidelines 
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Suggestions_for_providing_input) 
and make sure its well motivated.  Getting something built is another story.

  * Any reason to *not* use trac directly for it instead of the wiki? It
  mostly seems like a list of items.

GS - I want requirements, specifications, lists of customers and more 
detail then we have in trac. I also use the wiki to show the feature 
design to customers and get their ack on the requirements. Lastly, I 
want an easy place to track topics and main ideas. Items on the wiki can 
have one or more Trac items as well. Its extra work to use wiki and Trac 
but those are my reasons. Again, I want to follow the Ubuntu example and 
I think Semantic wiki will get me real close...

  * How do I propose a feature to be added to the list?

GS - Just out it on there. Follow the guidelines and make sure you are 
as clear as possible about who benefits from the feature and how. I get 
an e-mail whenever the page is updated but you can also e-mail me 
directly. Also, if you have an idea and want to know if any customers 
have asked for it or if they would benefit from it, feel free to ask and 
I'll hunt down an answer for you.

Thanks,

Greg S

PS Thursday and Friday are holidays in the US. Back online Monday.

Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 
 Ed, Gary, Deepak, Ben, Caryl and possibly other met on IRC on Wed.
 November 25.

 
 Sorry to not have made this, still fighting with the jet lag here...
 
 
 - Feature Roadmap page and 9.1 planning
 (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap) :
 
 
 
 I went through it and I'm a bit confused about time/scope/target:
 
 * What's the time target of these features? I assume 9.1 *and* beyhond?
 * Is it work OLPC stuff is going to do or something we encourage the
 community to take over?
 * Do we need some sort of consensus about features before adding them to the
 roadmap? For example it's the first time I hear Joe remove the frame idea
 and I don't think it has been discussed at all with the design team.
 * Any reason to *not* use trac directly for it instead of the wiki? It
 mostly seems like a list of items.
 * How do I propose a feature to be added to the list?
 
 Thanks,
 Marco
 
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Future Feature Roadmap Meeting Minutes from 11/19

2008-11-19 Thread Greg Smith
Ed, CJL, Mel, Greg, and CJB (and maybe others) met on IRC On Wed. 11/19

Minutes:

- Update on January camp and reminder to fill in details on proposals.

GS - January camp proposals update

Exact meeting dates to be set ASAP, target Monday. The conference will 
be held either week before or after January 9 - 11.

- Start work on reviewing and prioritizing the Feature Roadmap 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap.

GS - We will add two fields to each feature on the roadmap page.
* Helps deployability
* Target for OLPC resources

That flagging is my interpretation of the discussion. Any comments welcome.

Deployability was chosen because its currently the main goal for 9.1. 
More definition of goals for 9.1 will be forthcoming with Ed leading.

Target for OLPC resources defines which will get an OLPC engineer 
assigned. Many other features are important and we want to highlight 
those to encourage other open source developers focus their time on 
useful items.

This is discussion is preparation for a quick triage of the Feature 
Roadmap page. Before we start that, we need another pass to ensure all 
well defined features are included. Target is to complete the first 
triage by the end of the first week of December.

Next meeting Wed. November 26, 2PM US ET IRC Freednode.net #olpc-meeting

Agenda for next week:

10 minutes - XO Camp status and updates.

15 minutes - Status and action items for getting all feature requests on 
the feature roadmap page and for tagging per minutes above. Any other 
tags needed to focus engineering on the right priorities for 9.1?

15 minutes - Trac usage conventions for 9.1. Choosing and defining which 
fields we will use for tracking target bugs and features.

15 minutes - Status of 9.1 goals definition and plans for creation of a 
9.1 page.

5 minutes - Set agenda for next week and review action items

Thanks,

Greg S


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XO Feature Roadmap Meeting - Wed Nov. 12, 2PM US ET

2008-11-11 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All,

The next XO Feature Roadmap meeting is Wed November 12 at 2PM US ET on 
IRC freenode.net #olpc-meeting channel.

Agenda is the following:

- 5 minutes - Review edits and action items.
- 40 minutes - Review proposals (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2) 
starting at Fedora 10.
- 10 minutes - Relationship between January conference and November 
Sugar Camp (agenda item request by Joe).
- 5 minutes - set agenda and action items for next week

Hope to see you there!

Thanks,

Greg S

***
Minutes from last week

Several engineers and others met on IRC on Wed. November, 5 to discuss 
Future Feature planning for the XO.

*
Agenda: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/020918.html

This meeting is currently focused on setting the agenda and preparing 
material for an XO and XS focused technical conference in January, 2009.

*

Minutes:
- Review open action items.
Mel updated Automated testing tools proposal.

Kim removed 'What is support' and Customization, imaging, and 
Activating XOs.

No other updates done this week. Will start pushing harder for more 
details on target talks once we finish first pass review of all proposals.

- Reviewed proposals
* Uruguay Observations
Yes agreed we want to do this. Chris to add details.

Networking section:
The proposal is to fold this whole section in to two sessions.
1 - GUI, activities, asynchronous collaboration, journal and object file 
sharing including requirements and use cases.

Networking and collaboration technology including network manager, mesh, 
presence and 802.11s ad hoc, and wireless.

Pending buy in, Greg, Morgan, Michail and Scott to work on setting those 
agendas, times and preparing materials.

Linux section:
* Filesystems
Yes want to discuss this. Deepak to fill in details

* Updates
Defer. May be good but we need more details from Scott.

* Dealing with Low Memory conditions.
Should be part of performance section. Greg to move up.

**
Comments, edits and suggestions welcome.

Please update your proposals with more detail!
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2#Proposals

Next meeting Wed November, 12 2PM US ET on IRC Freenode.net #olpc-meeting

Agenda for next meeting:
5 minutes - Review edits and action items.
40 minutes - Review proposals starting at Fedora 10.
10 minutes - Relationship between January conference and November Sugar 
Camp (agenda item request by Joe).
5 minutes - set agenda and action items for next week

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Feature Roadmap Meeting

2008-11-04 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All,

We have our next Feature Roadmap planning meeting tomorrow, Wed. 11/5 at 
2PM US ET on IRC freenode.net #olpc-meeting channel.

Agenda is:

10 minutes: Follow up on action items from last week.
45 minutes: Continue reviewing miniconference proposals 
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2#Proposals). Starting at Networking 
section.
5 minutes: set action items and agenda for next week.

Let me know if there are any additions or comments on the agenda.

Minutes from last week's meeting are at:
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/020805.html

Thanks,

Greg S


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