Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread James Zaki
I'm guilty of spending more time than I probably should at newgrounds.com, their slogan being Everything, by Everyone. Its a melting pot of free content, and what really impresses me are the absolute gems of creativity that one finds from time to time. I dont see flash as the main XO education

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Stanley Sokolow
Sorry, guys, but I just don't see why the content is somehow corrupted or limited by deployment on the Flash platform.The FlashPlayer implements a virtual machine that is customized by Adobe to run on various hardware and OSs. They're extending it now to ARM-processor-based devices (cell

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net wrote: So, please explain why constructionist educational models can't be Nobody has stated that it can't be done. But experience shows the opposite correlation (and I have worked in many edu projects using Flash myself,

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Stanley Sokolow
You can see the Xubuntu system running on our XO-1 at: Internet Math Tutoring / OLPC Project http://internetmathtutoring.com/olpc/static.php?page=static090711-100100. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.netwrote: Sorry, guys, but I just don't see why the content

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Fox
stanley wrote: You can see the Xubuntu system running on our XO-1 at: Internet Math Tutoring / OLPC Project http://internetmathtutoring.com/olpc/static.php?page=static090711-100100. what does this have to do with flash? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Stanley Sokolow

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community, does this run on the XO? Nope. We're to believe that Flash is appropriate for constructionism on the XO even though it doesn't allow XO users to construct anything. - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org One Laptop Per

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Stanley Sokolow
That page shows Vyew.com running on Xubuntu on the XO-1. In my experience, Vyew.com is something outstanding for learning with low barriers of entry and no ceiling that Martin asked to see built with Flash. (Stanford University uses Vyew for its Stanford Engineering

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Stanley Sokolow
I guess I don't understand constructionism. Is it reasonable to require that the development system run on the target machine?If Apple had this requirement, all of the iPhone/iPod/iPad applications would be gone. We wouldn't have any of the millions of devices (mp3 players, routers, modems,

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Nobody has stated that it can't be done. But experience shows the opposite correlation (and I have worked in many edu projects using Flash myself, some huge such as TLF's SOCCI). Maybe it's a cultural problem (ie: people who get excited with Flash things singing and dancing tend to build

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Fox
stanley wrote: I guess I don't understand constructionism. i think that's right. Is it reasonable to require that the development system run on the target machine? yes. it's one of the reasons most activities, and many of the system, is coded in python. If Apple had this

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote: Martin, how is this Flash's fault? I didn't say it was its fault -- I did point out the same cultural issue you mention. And shiny distracts. You are writing very long emails and not pointing to compelling deep and rich

Fwd: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Stanley Sokolow
-- Forwarded message -- From: Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC To: Paul Fox p...@laptop.org Sorry, Paul, I just can't accept the idea that the target audience of the OLPC projects must necessarily include

Re: Fwd: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Fox
stanley wrote: Sorry, Paul, I just can't accept the idea that the target audience of the OLPC projects must necessarily include kids who are capable and interested in re-programming the software activities they're using.Moreover, would you want to modify and re-compile your

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
There's been all this discussion of AIR. I am unfamiliar with AIR. My question : Why would I (as an user) __need__ AIR ? I do not mind using a browser, nor do I mind installing a special-purpose plugin into my browser in order to access particular material. But what does AIR provide that for

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Stanley Sokolow
AIR (Adobe Integrated Runtime) is a desktop application that runs the FlashPlayer virtual machine outside of a browser. You know that Flash is usually thought of as a plug-in to run Flash content inside of a web page being displayed on a browser. To maintain web security, the Flash plug-in

Fwd: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Stanley Sokolow
Sorry, I keep forgetting to put the list manager in my addresses. Here's my latest message: -- Forwarded message -- From: Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC To: mi...@bga.com I forgot to answer your

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
The AIR application is given more freedom -- for example, it can access local files. Back when Netscape first came out, I was bitten when a selfish plugin changed my system's defaults without me realizing it. Ever since, I do NOT want a remotely acquired program to be able to access the local

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Stanley Sokolow
So, I guess you don't install any software that you download and run, like Firefox or OpenOffice.org or Google Earth? An AIR program doesn't just sneak itself onto your system -- the user decides to buy it, or trust the source of it, downloads it, and runs the installer. The point about AIR is

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-12 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
So, I guess you don't install any software that you download and run, like Firefox or OpenOffice.org or Google Earth? I've installed and am running applications such as Firefox 3.6.3 (plus Flash 10.1), Google Chrome 5.0.342.9, Adobe Reader 9.3.1, mplayer, FBReader, etc. -- because I trust the

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote: hey guys! Good news, I was able to get in touch with John Dowdell of Adobe (email below). jd is still around! We used to correspond over bug and quirks in Director versions 3 to 6. From my PoV, Flash is ok installation

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Hey Martin! JD also hooked us up with Tom Nguyen, product manager for the Flash Player and here's what Tom said: Great to meet you. I actually recently graduated with an MA in Education from Stanford, where I spent a bit of time focusing on constructionist learning methods, so it's great to hear

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread John Watlington
On Apr 11, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: Hey Martin! JD also hooked us up with Tom Nguyen, product manager for the Flash Player and here's what Tom said: Great to meet you. I actually recently graduated with an MA in Education from Stanford, where I spent a bit of time focusing

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote: It is extremely hard to see how anyone conversant with constructionist learning could get excited about Flash + OLPC. Ditto here. I have never seen anyone who understands learning in depth advocating Flash. Social

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread James Cameron
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:51:01PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for something. My guess is that it is handy for repurposing the system for entertainment usage. (I don't have Flash enabled on my systems, so I don't really know what

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread John Watlington
On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:51:01PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for something. My guess is that it is handy for repurposing the system for entertainment usage. (I don't have

re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-08 Thread Carlos Nazareno
hey guys! Good news, I was able to get in touch with John Dowdell of Adobe (email below). I'll coordinate with Reuben Ed for the info needed by Adobe to improve Flash AIR behavior on the XOs. *crosses fingers* -Naz Some stuff OLPC needs to get Flash AIR running better on the XO-1 1.5: