That's great - a 'somebody oughta' thread that actually produces action!
Good job, guys!
Now, somebody oughta dodge the patents for MP3, too
Jameson
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Rob,
> I think it is work the effort, and would like to figure out how we on
> the Gnash team can do this.
great! I'll contact you off list to discuss some of the ways we do
this for Samba and see if I can give you some help getting started.
Cheers, Tridge
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> no, it does not need to be thrashed out either in the press or in
> court. The aim is to avoid both. What you need to do is produce
> detailed claim charts, along with a set of non-infringement
> arguments. Once you have those then you can work out how to write your
> co
Ed,
> 1. There are two kinds of "good patent attorneys". One kind works "pro
> bono" for free software and the other gets paid big bucks by patent
> holders.
There is a 3rd kind - the kind that works for a law firm specifically
funded to assist free software projects. For example, the Softwa
David Woodhouse wrote:
> Oooh. Gnash now supports RTMP?
We have a mostly complete RTMP implementation, but I've been primarily
using in in Cygnal, on the server side. The last few weeks I've
refactored our AMF low-level code, cracked both Shared Objects and Local
Connections, both of which
David Woodhouse wrote:
> Does Gnash not use gstreamer and hence work with the extra codec plugins
> which are already available in livna?
Yes, we support Gstreamer 0.10, ffmpeg or libmad directly. I haven't
had a chance to figure out why, but for whatever reason, the build of
Gnash for the X
Sebastien Adgnot wrote:
> However it seems quite difficult for us to encode our videos in
> Theora+Vorbis right now. I'm gonna talk to different people in the
> company to get their opinion and see what we can do.
Ffm peg does a fair job at codec conversion. We use our friends at
Lulu.tv to c
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> We really need a open project to do patent analysis of this kind and
> determine which of these key patents (not just codecs, but also other
> important blocking patents) can be avoided, and which ones are too
> tied to the format to avoid. Perhaps the OLPC project would
Jake Beard wrote:
> Hopefully, later this year we'll see a completely open Java, and then see
> Java on the XO.
> Flash is terrible. If it were possible, I'd prefer to see an all-Java
> solution.
Sorry, but java sucks rocks, and although I dislike flash, I think
it's a better solution for jus
Thanks for offering help. However, I was thinking more about
ressources (time, people, storage, encoding, priorities, etc.).
Anyway, I'm going to report what everybody wrote and see if we can
make it soon ... or later.
Thanks
Sebastien
On Jan 9, 2008 10:32 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROT
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 22:19 +0100, Sebastien Adgnot wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks a lot for your help and comments.
>
> However it seems quite difficult for us to encode our videos in
> Theora+Vorbis right now. I'm gonna talk to different people in the
> company to get their opinion and see what we
Hi all,
Thanks a lot for your help and comments.
However it seems quite difficult for us to encode our videos in
Theora+Vorbis right now. I'm gonna talk to different people in the
company to get their opinion and see what we can do.
In the meantime, I've heard of the Helix Media Player
http://en
Jake Beard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
> Hopefully, later this year we'll see a completely open Java, and then see
> Java on the XO.
> Flash is terrible. If it were possible, I'd prefer to see an all-Java
> solution.
That being said, in my experience both with closed and open Java
implementations,
Here's a Java player that plays Theora+Vorbis and can be embedded in an
applet:
http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/
http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~fischer/blog/20071230_Ogg_Theora_Applet_instead_of_Flash/
Hopefully, later this year we'll see a completely open Java, and then see
Java on the XO.
Flash
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The other option is to write implementations of the codecs that avoid
> the patents. Whether that is possible depends on the exact wording of
> the patent, and sometimes it takes a few weeks working with a good
> patent attorney to work out exactly what the patent really
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 20:06 -0700, Rob Savoye wrote:
>To go along with this, I've been working on a clone of the Adobe
> Media Server, so we can steam free codecs. Right now you can only do
> this with icecast, but it doesn't speak the flash protocols, which
> Gnash now supports.
Oooh. Gna
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 19:34 -0700, Rob Savoye wrote:
>
>Sigh, I am getting so tired of this issue with codecs... Gnash for
> the XO is built without support for any proprietary audio or video
> codecs. Because of the patent laws, the OLPC project (which is based in
> the US) cannot redistr
Thanks, it clarified a few things. I did not even think of the GPL and
the QEMU images.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> NoiseEHC,
>
> > Sure, using Ogg over MP3 is totally okay, since it is not only free but
> > better than MP3. But as others said all the free video codecs are crap
> > compared t
NoiseEHC,
> Sure, using Ogg over MP3 is totally okay, since it is not only free but
> better than MP3. But as others said all the free video codecs are crap
> compared to commercial ones. So my question: is there any reason that
> the OLPC cannot license one good quality codec for ~10 cents
I have been following prior discussions about codecs in general (it is
not about Gnash) and there is one thing I cannot understand.
As I see for example a H.264 AVC codec license is 0 or 10 or 20
cents/device. If I am mistaken somebody please correct me. See:
http://www.mpegla.com/avc/AVC_TermsSu
Hi Rob,
>I'm on vacation this week, but I'm very strongly considering finding
> a safe host far away where I can stick a Gnash build for the XO that
> fully works, as that's probably the easiest fix. I sure wish Gnash could
> be distributed to support these codecs, but changing US paten
Walter Bender wrote:
> Ben is right on target. Rather than going "off shore" to support proprietary
> codecs, we should be advocating the use of FOSS codecs.
That's our feeling for the Gnash project, supporting free codecs is
more important than supporting proprietary ones. We support the
pro
Ben is right on target. Rather than going "off shore" to support proprietary
codecs, we should be advocating the use of FOSS codecs.
-walter
On Jan 8, 2008 10:06 PM, Rob Savoye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
>
> > There might be some way to embed Theora in Flash in a wa
Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
> There might be some way to embed Theora in Flash in a way that Gnash can play,
> but this will never work in Adobe Flash. I strongly advise that, for OLPC,
> you
> avoid Flash altogether.
Gnash can already handle both Ogg and Theora as external files just
fine.
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Walter Bender wrote:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ask_OLPC_a_Question_about_Software#Include_Flash_Player.3F>
> but I want to be sure to be optimized with all the parameters of the
> laptop (video performance, cpu, power management, etc.). We encode our
Walter Bender wrote:
> Unfortunately, when I tried to see Dailymotion's website
> http://www.dailymotion.com, the videos didn't work.
Sigh, I am getting so tired of this issue with codecs... Gnash for
the XO is built without support for any proprietary audio or video
codecs. Because of the p
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From: Sebastien Adgnot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jan 8, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: Dailymotion for XO laptop
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
My name is Sebastien and I'm a web developer at Dailymotion, a major
European video sharing web site. I had the chance a coupl
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