Re: Google summer of Code?

2009-03-13 Thread Mel Chua
 2009/3/8 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com:
  No definite agreement has been made, but in preliminary chats, it seems
  that both organizations agree that anything for XS or specific to XO
 hardware
  should go in OLPC, and everything else (general Sugar improvements,
  frameworks, or activities) should go in Sugarlabs.

 We discussed this at XO camp, and people from Sugar Labs were
 considering not supporting activity development and focusing on core
 sugar development.


This is correct.


 Has this changed? In general, do you expect that
 priorities for toolchain and activity development will be the same?


In general, sugar-core and toolchain development is a higher priority than
generative Activity development (Activities that lower the barrier to
Activity development). It's highly unlikely that non-generative Activity
development will be supported.


 I expect that many activity development and student projects
 interested in working with current schools will apply for both OLPC
 and Sugar Labs projects; they are welcome to apply to both, and those
 doing work relevant to Sugar should be encouraged to!  Applying to
 multiple GSOC groups is standard practice; students do not need to
 choose.  We had a couple of students last year who ended up working on
 OLPC related projects for other orgs.


Yup, I remember that. :) We talked with Cjb about shuttling relevant apps
back and forth as needed - what we're doing right now is setting up
guidelines that will hopefully minimize the amount of sorting that's needed,
then waiting for students to come in, then sorting. Double-apping is not a
problem.

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Re: Google summer of Code?

2009-03-13 Thread Jameson Quinn
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote:


 2009/3/8 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com:
  No definite agreement has been made, but in preliminary chats, it seems
  that both organizations agree that anything for XS or specific to XO
 hardware
  should go in OLPC, and everything else (general Sugar improvements,
  frameworks, or activities) should go in Sugarlabs.

 We discussed this at XO camp, and people from Sugar Labs were
 considering not supporting activity development and focusing on core
 sugar development.


 This is correct.


 Has this changed? In general, do you expect that
 priorities for toolchain and activity development will be the same?


 In general, sugar-core and toolchain development is a higher priority than
 generative Activity development (Activities that lower the barrier to
 Activity development). It's highly unlikely that non-generative Activity
 development will be supported.


Honestly, this is news to me. (and I am the co-administrator of the
Sugarlabs program). If I had to articulate my view of our priorities, it
would be something like the following:

7-10 points: Key sugar core improvements. Long-standing, important gaps like
versioning or unit-tests at the high end of this.
6-9 points: Activity frameworks to open new forms of activity development
(in descending priority: javascript/AJAX, swf, improved PyGTK tools such as
Develop activity, mono or java)
4-8 points: Core activities: For instance, Nepal has expressed the need for
an improved Read.
3-6 points: Quality non-core educational activities: a physics sim or other
creative idea.
0-8 points: Proposal quality.

In other words, an excellent proposal from a highly-qualified student could
very well make the cut, even if it were a non-core activity.

Jameson (whose daughter likes colors)
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Re: Google summer of Code?

2009-03-13 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
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Jameson Quinn wrote:
 Honestly, this is news to me. (and I am the co-administrator of the
 Sugarlabs program). If I had to articulate my view of our priorities, it
 would be something like the following:
 
 7-10 points: Key sugar core improvements. Long-standing, important gaps like
 versioning or unit-tests at the high end of this.

As others have pointed out many times, the SoC projects that are least
likely to produce useful results are the ones that are the most ambitious.
 In particular, it is difficult to find SoC applicants who are ready to
make deep modifications to an existing codebase, or will be able to
architect complex software.  Remember, SoC applicants are mostly current
undergrads, so most have never participated in multi-person development
effort, or written anything larger than 1000 lines.

 0-8 points: Proposal quality.

Maybe this problem is wrapped up in Proposal quality.  If I were
designing a system to reflect my own internal judgment structure, I would
probably add another /multiplying/ factor, the estimated probability of
success (although I hope we can do selection without resorting to
numerical scores.)

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Re: Google summer of Code?

2009-03-13 Thread Jameson Quinn
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:

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 Jameson Quinn wrote:
  Honestly, this is news to me. (and I am the co-administrator of the
  Sugarlabs program). If I had to articulate my view of our priorities, it
  would be something like the following:
 
  7-10 points: Key sugar core improvements. Long-standing, important gaps
 like
  versioning or unit-tests at the high end of this.

 As others have pointed out many times, the SoC projects that are least
 likely to produce useful results are the ones that are the most ambitious.
  In particular, it is difficult to find SoC applicants who are ready to
 make deep modifications to an existing codebase, or will be able to
 architect complex software.  Remember, SoC applicants are mostly current
 undergrads, so most have never participated in multi-person development
 effort, or written anything larger than 1000 lines.


Agreed. However, I think that a relatively-skilled GSoC student could take
on one of the tasks I mentioned. Versioning could build on CScott's OLPCFS2,
which AFAIK works remarkably well; it really only needs an interface and
maybe a converter. Unit tests require a harness (and Sugarbot already
exists) and a couple of demo self-tests of the harness; the tests themselves
would be a separate story. Yet it is true, both of these would still be
ambitious, and would probably be scored down because of it.




  0-8 points: Proposal quality.

 Maybe this problem is wrapped up in Proposal quality.  If I were
 designing a system to reflect my own internal judgment structure, I would
 probably add another /multiplying/ factor, the estimated probability of
 success (although I hope we can do selection without resorting to
 numerical scores.)


I agree. The numbers are only a way of communicating, not a proposed system
for choosing.
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Re: Google summer of Code?

2009-03-12 Thread Samuel Klein
A few of the the details here are wrong...

2009/3/8 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com:
 No definite agreement has been made, but in preliminary chats, it seems
 that both organizations agree that anything for XS or specific to XO hardware
 should go in OLPC, and everything else (general Sugar improvements,
 frameworks, or activities) should go in Sugarlabs.

We discussed this at XO camp, and people from Sugar Labs were
considering not supporting activity development and focusing on core
sugar development.  Has this changed?  In general, do you expect that
priorities for toolchain and activity development will be the same?

I expect that many activity development and student projects
interested in working with current schools will apply for both OLPC
and Sugar Labs projects; they are welcome to apply to both, and those
doing work relevant to Sugar should be encouraged to!  Applying to
multiple GSOC groups is standard practice; students do not need to
choose.  We had a couple of students last year who ended up working on
OLPC related projects for other orgs.

 expected with just one org. We actually got only 2,

We had 4 students last year.

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Re: Google summer of Code?

2009-03-08 Thread Jameson Quinn
Marco gave the link, but I'd just like to repeat that Sugarlabs will be
applying to GSoC this year, independently of OLPC. The two organizations
have talked about doing some coordinating behind the scenes, passing off
student applications that are better done by the other organization. No
definite agreement has been made, but in preliminary chats, it seems that
both organizations agree that anything for XS or specific to XO hardware
should go in OLPC, and everything else (general Sugar improvements,
frameworks, or activities) should go in Sugarlabs. For comparison, out of last
years' applications http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:GSoC_proposals,
about 5-6 out of 30-35 applications would have been OLPC, the rest would
have been Sugarlabs.

(Note that this is if anything an advantage to the community if both
organizations are accepted, as the purported algorigthm for assigning slots
is by number of applications, with a floor of 1-2 per accepted organization,
and lots of other fudge factors. If we'd had both organizations last year,
we might have gotten 4-6 slots total, instead of the 2-4 we could have
expected with just one org. We actually got only 2, but that was because of
the circumstances of the previous year.)

Jameson

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Ben Lau xben...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi all,

 As the registration will start soon , I am interested about the
 preparation of OLPC for GSoc and being a mentor. According to the
 wiki, no any mentors show up yet. It is quite strange. Is that the
 list is held in someplace else?

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code#Mentors

 On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  I noticed that quite a few organisations are starting to ramp up for
  GSOC and getting people to start thinking about proposals etc. Not
  sure if OLPC/Sugar are planning on participating but if so it might be
  worthwhile to start to get people thinking about what needs to be done
  etc.
 
  Cheers,
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Google summer of Code?

2009-02-09 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi All,

I noticed that quite a few organisations are starting to ramp up for
GSOC and getting people to start thinking about proposals etc. Not
sure if OLPC/Sugar are planning on participating but if so it might be
worthwhile to start to get people thinking about what needs to be done
etc.

Cheers,
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Re: Google summer of Code?

2009-02-09 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks Peter!  OLPC are definitely participating tihs year.  We should
pull together a good list of both sugar and OLPC projects.

On the OLPC wiki, this means updating two pages
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2009/Ideas

The latter needs a new page.  SL should set up one as well, assuming
they are doing SOC.

SJ

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 I noticed that quite a few organisations are starting to ramp up for
 GSOC and getting people to start thinking about proposals etc. Not
 sure if OLPC/Sugar are planning on participating but if so it might be
 worthwhile to start to get people thinking about what needs to be done
 etc.

 Cheers,
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Re: Google summer of Code?

2009-02-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:
 Thanks Peter!  OLPC are definitely participating tihs year.  We should
 pull together a good list of both sugar and OLPC projects.

 On the OLPC wiki, this means updating two pages
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2009/Ideas

 The latter needs a new page.  SL should set up one as well, assuming
 they are doing SOC.

http://sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code

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Re: Google Summer of Code project, sugarbot

2008-05-20 Thread Zach Riggle
Hi Tom, thanks for the interest in the project.

Right now everything is more towards the exploratory phase, in  
seeing what can be done.  I thought that I had a method picked out  
that worked fairly well on standalone PyGTK apps, that doesn't work so  
well for OLPC Activities.

The approach that I found works with zero-to-minimal modification of  
the target applications is the same employed by kiwi.ui.test of the  
Kiwi project (http://www.async.com.br/projects/kiwi/).  The majority  
of the functionality stems from a call to gtk.gdk.event_handler_set to  
intercept all GTK Events (gtk.Event).  This allows me to build a very  
accurate picture of how a given application is laid out, through the  
various gdk.MAP (and related) Events.  Additionally, since I am doing  
a great deal of work with GTK Events, I will already have a great deal  
of infrastructure in place to deal with events, and can use them to  
drive the GUI automation.  I find that this method is very  
straightforward and non-intrusive, and allows me to see /everything/  
that goes on inside GTK.

However, the limitation of this method should be readily apparent: It  
only works when the target code is executing in the same process as my  
code.  In order to handle this for normal PyGTK apps, a simple call to  
exec() would suffice in getting the code to execute in the same process.

For actually working with OLPC Activities, it was suggested to port  
what code I had into a Sugar Activity (not a difficult task,  
thankfully), and attempt to call other Activities from there, for  
example:

class sugarbot(activity.Activity):
def launchCalculateActivity(self,handle):
sys.path.insert(1,/home/zriggle/Activities/Calculate.activity)
from calculate import Calculate
doActivity = Calculate(handle)

def __init__(self, handle):
self.launchCalculateActivity(handle)

However, this method causes issues with sugarbot.__init__ never  
completing, which results in exceptions being raised when sugar- 
activity tries to perform some manipulation on a sugarbot object.  The  
only workaround I've thought of so far is to launch a separate thread  
for the called Activity.

Thanks for the interest :-)
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Re: Google Summer of Code project, sugarbot

2008-05-16 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
Hey Zach. I'm the maintainer for the Develop activity, over the long term
I would love to have this functionality in Develop. Got to go now, but we
definitely have to talk. You should start hanging out on the IRC channels -
I am homonq (actually I misspelled that to keep google from caching my real
name with my nickname, but you will recognize me).

On 5/16/08, Zach Riggle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello All

 My name is Zach Riggle, and I am participating in the Google Summer of Code
 this year.  I am working under the Python Software Foundation, under the
 mentorship of Grig Gheorghiu and Titus Brown.  My project, sugarbot, (you
 can find more information here: http://code.google.com/p/sugarbot/) is to
 implement a library or application that allows for GUI automation and
 testing for Sugar.  Because Sugar is unique in the world of GUI's, its
 automation library also requires a few unique features.  I am using a few
 existing Python GUI automation libraries to help me get started, and have
 high hopes for the project.

 You can track development progress at the sugarbot blog (
 http://gsoc-sugarbot.blogspot.com/).  If anyone has any recommendations,
 advice, best practices, or wants to offer their brain for me to pick, just
 send me an email.

 [My apologies if this gets sent to the mailing list twice.  I sent it
 yesterday, to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and didn't see it show up on any of
 the digests]

 Thanks,
 Zach

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Re: [Server-devel] Reg: Google summer of Code under OLPC

2008-03-28 Thread John Watlington

Cross-posting to devel, as I believe there are other people and  
projects around
blogging/wiki on the XO/XS.

On Mar 28, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Greg Smith (gregmsmi) wrote:

 Hi Martin,

 Great advice, thanks!

 We're not tied to Google blogger at all. Just want to have an  
 option to
 shout out to the world, somewhere. That looks like a winning design  
 with
 minimal effort.

 Thanks,

 Greg S

 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Langhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 4:15 PM
 To: Greg Smith (gregmsmi)
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Server-devel] Reg: Google summer of Code under OLPC

 On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Greg Smith (gregmsmi)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In short the kids want to blog! I think we all need to hear their
 voices  too.

 Hi Greg!

 I sure want to support blogging. My concern is the blogger tie-in. A
 simple suggestion - make the upstream blogging action pluggable.

 What I'd suggest - in very brief terms - is

  - blog on the XS (WP is ok, as would be Drupal, but do consider
 Moodle's blog facility, or the new 'oubog' moodle module)
  - the blog on the XS can have an option publish to the world...
  - which uses a simple pluggable mechanism to publish out...

 the basic pluggable module needs to have 1 function/method: post blog
 entry :-) (which returns the url of the blog entry on success?). In
 practice you might need a few more, for example a register account
 method if it can be automated...

 With that generic machinery in place, if provide a blogger.com plugin,
 that's great. Ideally I'd like to see other plugins that can be  
 pointed
 to a standalone WP install on the internet, so a local education
 authority could run it.

 Just don't make it _tied_ to blogger.com -- which is a commercial, add
 supported service. There are good blog APIs so you don't actually need
 to - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaWeblog

 cheers,



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Re: [Server-devel] Reg: Google summer of Code under OLPC

2008-03-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Welcome Surendran!

2008/3/27 surendran m [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Regarding the idea itself ,the problem of networked blogging has been

The networked blogging plan is - I think - a Uruguay-only thing. I am
not sure how the mentor proposes to make it work for all XSs. Also
note - Moodle is in the roadmap, and has a blog facility, and an
enhanced blog module is in the works right now. Perhaps shifting the
focus to Moodle might work there.

 On the second part , the development of a interface for school server admin
 I have the following doubts :
 1. Is it a web interface or a app ?

Web app. The XS will normally be headless - that is, no monitor or
keyboard. A black box, sitting in a corner ;-)

  2. What all features are required in the school server ?

Have a read of the roadmap ;-)

cheers,


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Re: [Server-devel] Reg: Google summer of Code under OLPC

2008-03-28 Thread Greg Smith (gregmsmi)
Hi Surendran and Martin,

Not to compete for the interest of a new engineer :-) but I think the
blogger request will be used by all deployments.

In short the kids want to blog! I think we all need to hear their voices
too.

I just got more feedback on why its hard right now:

- You have to create a google account for each user (now, as it accepts
OpenId it might be easier...)
- If you have different blogs, children get confused with the new post
option.
- follow the steps for making a new post (on Google blogger) since you
get connected to the internet, and you'll see there are a lot. It
doesn't mean it can't be taught, but usability could be much better for
children usage.
- It's not easy for teachers to take a look at posts before being
published. 

I posted that in the updated requirement at:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Requiremientos_Para_XO

I can see a client side solution like add a post to blog button to the
Write activity which does an HTTP Post to a Google Blogger URL or

HTML form on the XS which posts to site viewable within school then a
post public button or 

full Moodle/Drupal class content management GUI.

Regardless, we'd love to have your help! 

It's a matter of which you want to work on (admin tools or teaching/kid
tools) and which is more important to the success of the whole project.
I've been through enough deployment firedrills already to appreciate how
much we need an XS admin GUI so I agree that both are important.

That said, if you have any cycles to work on blogger we could use the
help and I'll make sure you get direct feedback from real kids and
teachers. The blogger tool is the only direct request for new code I
have heard from end users. It help gather future input if we can show
responsiveness on this first requirement.

Martin works for OLPC. Long term, his success and the organizations
success is paramount so I defer to him to set OLPC priorities.

Thanks,

Greg S

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Welcome Surendran!

2008/3/27 surendran m [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Regarding the idea itself ,the problem of networked blogging has been

The networked blogging plan is - I think - a Uruguay-only thing. I am
not sure how the mentor proposes to make it work for all XSs. Also note
- Moodle is in the roadmap, and has a blog facility, and an enhanced
blog module is in the works right now. Perhaps shifting the focus to
Moodle might work there.

 On the second part , the development of a interface for school server 
 admin I have the following doubts :
 1. Is it a web interface or a app ?

Web app. The XS will normally be headless - that is, no monitor or
keyboard. A black box, sitting in a corner ;-)

  2. What all features are required in the school server ?

Have a read of the roadmap ;-)

cheers,


martin
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Re: [Server-devel] Reg: Google summer of Code under OLPC

2008-03-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Greg Smith (gregmsmi)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In short the kids want to blog! I think we all need to hear their voices
  too.

Hi Greg!

I sure want to support blogging. My concern is the blogger tie-in. A
simple suggestion - make the upstream blogging action pluggable.

What I'd suggest - in very brief terms - is

 - blog on the XS (WP is ok, as would be Drupal, but do consider
Moodle's blog facility, or the new 'oubog' moodle module)
 - the blog on the XS can have an option publish to the world...
 - which uses a simple pluggable mechanism to publish out...

the basic pluggable module needs to have 1 function/method: post blog
entry :-) (which returns the url of the blog entry on success?). In
practice you might need a few more, for example a register account
method if it can be automated...

With that generic machinery in place, if provide a blogger.com plugin,
that's great. Ideally I'd like to see other plugins that can be
pointed to a standalone WP install on the internet, so a local
education authority could run it.

Just don't make it _tied_ to blogger.com -- which is a commercial, add
supported service. There are good blog APIs so you don't actually need
to - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaWeblog

cheers,



martin
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Google Summer of Code: Proposed idea about Translate this Activity activity

2008-03-24 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hi all,

I put up an idea about a Translate this Activity activity in the ideas
page 
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/Ideas#Activity_Translation_Activity).
Essentially the idea is to  let users translate a given activity,
something like Pippy, and if possible, share the translation with
other users in the mesh.
Do you think this is sane ?
I am willing to mentor this project.

Thanks,
Sayamindu


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Re: Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-21 Thread Charles Merriam
No problem.  Wiki now has a link.  -- Charles

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Roberto Fagá [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Try  One Laptop Per Child :)
http://code.google.com/soc/olpc/about.html

  Ooops! I'm a tired fool it seems. Sorry about the noise!




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Re: Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This year, GSoC is starting early, so
  we should be getting in motion asap.

Did we manage to get in? Or rather - did OLPC apply at all? Deadline
was 12th March... we don't seem to be on the list here
http://code.google.com/soc/2008/

cheers,



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Re: Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-20 Thread Roberto Fagá
Try  One Laptop Per Child :)
http://code.google.com/soc/olpc/about.html

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Martin Langhoff

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   This year, GSoC is starting early, so
we should be getting in motion asap.

  Did we manage to get in? Or rather - did OLPC apply at all? Deadline
  was 12th March... we don't seem to be on the list here
  http://code.google.com/soc/2008/

  cheers,



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Re: Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Roberto Fagá [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Try  One Laptop Per Child :)
  http://code.google.com/soc/olpc/about.html

Ooops! I'm a tired fool it seems. Sorry about the noise!


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Re: [Server-devel] Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This year, GSoC is starting early, so
  we should be getting in motion asap.

Did we manage to get in? Or rather - did OLPC apply at all? Deadline
was 12th March... we don't seem to be on the list here
http://code.google.com/soc/2008/

cheers,



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Re: Interested in the Google Summer of Code

2008-03-19 Thread Blaine Booher
I just signed up to the developer's list a few days ago (After seeing an XO
live for the first time at SigCSE 2008 in Portland) and would love to work
on the OLPC as a Google Code project.  I look forward to seeing more
information on this.

In the mean time I'm going to continue figuring out how to get Sugar up and
running and get my feet wet with the development platform.

Thanks!
Blaine

2008/3/18 Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi, I'm a master's student at the University of Bergen and I'm interested
 in bringing System Dynamics to the XO.  Before I start, if there is a better
 mailing list for this just let me know (I briefly looked through the other
 ones liked from the Wiki, and this seemed the most appropriate).
 System Dynamics (SD) [1][2] aims to help people understand the world by
 explicitly modeling how pieces of it work and then performing experiments in
 these models.  It is used around the world, frequently in majority world
 countries, in development planning [3], for example.  More formally, its a
 methodology for examining and describing the behavior of complex systems
 with an emphasis on the effects that feedback loops and time delays have.
  At a basic level you have to specify the mathematical equations for the
 different parts of your system.   The same problems can be solved by writing
 code in a programming language (I had a course taught in Fortran a year
 ago...), but usually in SD the modeling is done using a visual editor where
 you can show causal relationships, stocks and flows graphically.  I
 personally think the biggest short-fallings of the discipline are the
 barriers to entry: the current software is far from intuitive and all the
 major commercial offerings (there are no FLOSS products) [4][5][6] are very
 expensive (educational licenses alone are frequently  $500 USD).

 Will Wright studied SD and used ideas from it when designing SimCity [7].
  So I have several things I would like to work on:  first is a core
 simulator that can transform equations into code (I'm currently working on
 this for my master's thesis, but don't have and funding. eesh): I'm using
 the JIT library from the LLVM project to be able to do this.  Second I want
 to create a Sugar modeling interface that makes it easy and fun to create
 models and explore their results (collaboratively, I hope!), and third I
 want to hook this into Metropolis.  I think it would just be so cool if you
 could click an icon in Metropolis and have the visual model that controls
 the Metropolis world pop up (in the aforementioned editor) and be able not
 only to fiddle with parameters, but change the structure!  If all of this
 goes smoothly and there is more time, I would love to add the ability for
 models to interact with and manipulate geospatial data.


 I guess I am looking for people's reaction, is this something people like?
  I'm certainly willing to adapt myself to the collective needs and I wanted
 to get a discussion started before the application deadline.  Oh I guess a
 little more background on me:  I attended RPI in NY, USA for 2 years
 studying computer engineering, but transferred because I wanted to do
 something more applied.  I studied environmental studies (at SUNY ESF) for a
 couple years, and got back into coding through classes on ecological
 modeling and GIS.  I've been pretty heavily coding models, algorithms and
 interfaces for the past 2 years, mainly in C#, ObjC and some Fortran, but
 the past 3 months I've been using C++ for 8 hours a day and Python here and
 there.  I've got a Mac with Linux (both FC8 and openSUSE10.3) and Windows,
 and I've just started over the past few weeks to pick up GTK, although I've
 used Cairo in a project for a couple months.  I've only dabbled with the XO,
 but am really looking forward to developing bundles for it.


 I'm eager to hear what you think!
 yours,
 Bobby Powers


 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_dynamics
 [2] http://www.systemdynamics.org/
 [3] http://www.millenniuminstitute.net/
 [4] http://www.vensim.com/
 [5] http://www.powersim.com/
 [6] http://www.iseesystems.com/
 [7] http://www.futuresalon.org/2004/11/will_wright_kic.html

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Re: Interested in the Google Summer of Code

2008-03-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi,

if you are interested in hacking Sugar, please check the roadmap in
the mail below and find something you would have fun working on:

http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-March/004546.html

I would recommend people interested in participating in the google
summer code to send an email to the sugar mailing list presenting
themselves and, most importantly, stating the mini-projects they would
like to work on.

Chances are high that, if the area to work on is in the roadmap, one
core developer will offer his mentorship. Unfortunately, in this
precise moment developer's time is very scarce and there's not much
time for medium-term goals.

But of course, everybody is free to work on whatever they want and I
personally will try to answer as many questions as possible.

Tomeu

2008/3/19 Blaine Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I just signed up to the developer's list a few days ago (After seeing an XO
 live for the first time at SigCSE 2008 in Portland) and would love to work
 on the OLPC as a Google Code project.  I look forward to seeing more
 information on this.

 In the mean time I'm going to continue figuring out how to get Sugar up and
 running and get my feet wet with the development platform.

 Thanks!
 Blaine

 2008/3/18 Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 
 
  Hi, I'm a master's student at the University of Bergen and I'm interested
 in bringing System Dynamics to the XO.  Before I start, if there is a better
 mailing list for this just let me know (I briefly looked through the other
 ones liked from the Wiki, and this seemed the most appropriate).
 
 
  System Dynamics (SD) [1][2] aims to help people understand the world by
 explicitly modeling how pieces of it work and then performing experiments in
 these models.  It is used around the world, frequently in majority world
 countries, in development planning [3], for example.  More formally, its a
 methodology for examining and describing the behavior of complex systems
 with an emphasis on the effects that feedback loops and time delays have.
 At a basic level you have to specify the mathematical equations for the
 different parts of your system.   The same problems can be solved by writing
 code in a programming language (I had a course taught in Fortran a year
 ago...), but usually in SD the modeling is done using a visual editor where
 you can show causal relationships, stocks and flows graphically.  I
 personally think the biggest short-fallings of the discipline are the
 barriers to entry: the current software is far from intuitive and all the
 major commercial offerings (there are no FLOSS products) [4][5][6] are very
 expensive (educational licenses alone are frequently  $500 USD).
 
 
  Will Wright studied SD and used ideas from it when designing SimCity [7].
 So I have several things I would like to work on:  first is a core simulator
 that can transform equations into code (I'm currently working on this for my
 master's thesis, but don't have and funding. eesh): I'm using the JIT
 library from the LLVM project to be able to do this.  Second I want to
 create a Sugar modeling interface that makes it easy and fun to create
 models and explore their results (collaboratively, I hope!), and third I
 want to hook this into Metropolis.  I think it would just be so cool if you
 could click an icon in Metropolis and have the visual model that controls
 the Metropolis world pop up (in the aforementioned editor) and be able not
 only to fiddle with parameters, but change the structure!  If all of this
 goes smoothly and there is more time, I would love to add the ability for
 models to interact with and manipulate geospatial data.
 
 
 
 
  I guess I am looking for people's reaction, is this something people like?
 I'm certainly willing to adapt myself to the collective needs and I wanted
 to get a discussion started before the application deadline.  Oh I guess a
 little more background on me:  I attended RPI in NY, USA for 2 years
 studying computer engineering, but transferred because I wanted to do
 something more applied.  I studied environmental studies (at SUNY ESF) for a
 couple years, and got back into coding through classes on ecological
 modeling and GIS.  I've been pretty heavily coding models, algorithms and
 interfaces for the past 2 years, mainly in C#, ObjC and some Fortran, but
 the past 3 months I've been using C++ for 8 hours a day and Python here and
 there.  I've got a Mac with Linux (both FC8 and openSUSE10.3) and Windows,
 and I've just started over the past few weeks to pick up GTK, although I've
 used Cairo in a project for a couple months.  I've only dabbled with the XO,
 but am really looking forward to developing bundles for it.
 
 
 
 
  I'm eager to hear what you think!
  yours,
  Bobby Powers
 
 
 
 
  [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_dynamics
  [2] http://www.systemdynamics.org/
  [3] http://www.millenniuminstitute.net/
  [4] http://www.vensim.com/
  [5] http://www.powersim.com/
  [6] http

Re: Interested in the Google Summer of Code

2008-03-19 Thread Charles Merriam
And, as additional advice, always check the wiki:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_code
and the talk page
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Summer_of_Code

Have a great day!

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

  if you are interested in hacking Sugar, please check the roadmap in
  the mail below and find something you would have fun working on:

  http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-March/004546.html

  I would recommend people interested in participating in the google
  summer code to send an email to the sugar mailing list presenting
  themselves and, most importantly, stating the mini-projects they would
  like to work on.

  Chances are high that, if the area to work on is in the roadmap, one
  core developer will offer his mentorship. Unfortunately, in this
  precise moment developer's time is very scarce and there's not much
  time for medium-term goals.

  But of course, everybody is free to work on whatever they want and I
  personally will try to answer as many questions as possible.

  Tomeu

  2008/3/19 Blaine Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


  I just signed up to the developer's list a few days ago (After seeing an XO
   live for the first time at SigCSE 2008 in Portland) and would love to work
   on the OLPC as a Google Code project.  I look forward to seeing more
   information on this.
  
   In the mean time I'm going to continue figuring out how to get Sugar up and
   running and get my feet wet with the development platform.
  
   Thanks!
   Blaine
  
   2008/3/18 Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
   
   
   
Hi, I'm a master's student at the University of Bergen and I'm interested
   in bringing System Dynamics to the XO.  Before I start, if there is a 
 better
   mailing list for this just let me know (I briefly looked through the other
   ones liked from the Wiki, and this seemed the most appropriate).
   
   
System Dynamics (SD) [1][2] aims to help people understand the world by
   explicitly modeling how pieces of it work and then performing experiments 
 in
   these models.  It is used around the world, frequently in majority world
   countries, in development planning [3], for example.  More formally, its a
   methodology for examining and describing the behavior of complex systems
   with an emphasis on the effects that feedback loops and time delays have.
   At a basic level you have to specify the mathematical equations for the
   different parts of your system.   The same problems can be solved by 
 writing
   code in a programming language (I had a course taught in Fortran a year
   ago...), but usually in SD the modeling is done using a visual editor where
   you can show causal relationships, stocks and flows graphically.  I
   personally think the biggest short-fallings of the discipline are the
   barriers to entry: the current software is far from intuitive and all the
   major commercial offerings (there are no FLOSS products) [4][5][6] are very
   expensive (educational licenses alone are frequently  $500 USD).
   
   
Will Wright studied SD and used ideas from it when designing SimCity [7].
   So I have several things I would like to work on:  first is a core 
 simulator
   that can transform equations into code (I'm currently working on this for 
 my
   master's thesis, but don't have and funding. eesh): I'm using the JIT
   library from the LLVM project to be able to do this.  Second I want to
   create a Sugar modeling interface that makes it easy and fun to create
   models and explore their results (collaboratively, I hope!), and third I
   want to hook this into Metropolis.  I think it would just be so cool if you
   could click an icon in Metropolis and have the visual model that controls
   the Metropolis world pop up (in the aforementioned editor) and be able not
   only to fiddle with parameters, but change the structure!  If all of this
   goes smoothly and there is more time, I would love to add the ability for
   models to interact with and manipulate geospatial data.
   
   
   
   
I guess I am looking for people's reaction, is this something people 
 like?
   I'm certainly willing to adapt myself to the collective needs and I wanted
   to get a discussion started before the application deadline.  Oh I guess a
   little more background on me:  I attended RPI in NY, USA for 2 years
   studying computer engineering, but transferred because I wanted to do
   something more applied.  I studied environmental studies (at SUNY ESF) for 
 a
   couple years, and got back into coding through classes on ecological
   modeling and GIS.  I've been pretty heavily coding models, algorithms and
   interfaces for the past 2 years, mainly in C#, ObjC and some Fortran, but
   the past 3 months I've been using C++ for 8 hours a day and Python here and
   there.  I've got a Mac with Linux (both FC8 and openSUSE10.3) and Windows,
   and I've just started over the past few weeks to pick up GTK, although I've

Re: Interested in the Google Summer of Code

2008-03-19 Thread Edward Cherlin
2008/3/18 Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi, I'm a master's student at the University of Bergen and I'm interested in
 bringing System Dynamics to the XO.  Before I start, if there is a better
 mailing list for this just let me know (I briefly looked through the other
 ones liked from the Wiki, and this seemed the most appropriate).

Welcome! This is the place.

 System Dynamics (SD) [1][2] aims to help people understand the world by
 explicitly modeling how pieces of it work and then performing experiments in
 these models.  It is used around the world, frequently in majority world
 countries, in development planning [3], for example.  More formally, its a
 methodology for examining and describing the behavior of complex systems
 with an emphasis on the effects that feedback loops and time delays have.
 At a basic level you have to specify the mathematical equations for the
 different parts of your system.   The same problems can be solved by writing
 code in a programming language (I had a course taught in Fortran a year
 ago...), but usually in SD the modeling is done using a visual editor where
 you can show causal relationships, stocks and flows graphically.  I
 personally think the biggest short-fallings of the discipline are the
 barriers to entry: the current software is far from intuitive and all the
 major commercial offerings (there are no FLOSS products) [4][5][6] are very
 expensive (educational licenses alone are frequently  $500 USD).

 Will Wright studied SD and used ideas from it when designing SimCity [7].
 So I have several things I would like to work on:  first is a core simulator
 that can transform equations into code (I'm currently working on this for my
 master's thesis, but don't have and funding. eesh): I'm using the JIT
 library from the LLVM project to be able to do this.  Second I want to
 create a Sugar modeling interface that makes it easy and fun to create
 models and explore their results (collaboratively, I hope!), and third I
 want to hook this into Metropolis.  I think it would just be so cool if you
 could click an icon in Metropolis and have the visual model that controls
 the Metropolis world pop up (in the aforementioned editor) and be able not
 only to fiddle with parameters, but change the structure!  If all of this
 goes smoothly and there is more time, I would love to add the ability for
 models to interact with and manipulate geospatial data.

 I guess I am looking for people's reaction, is this something people like?

We don't just like it. Some of us are quite excited about it.

We started a discussion not long ago involving.

* Engineers Without Borders
* The Geographic Information Systems community, including
International Symposium on Digital Earth
* Globe.co.uk (weather stations in schools in many countries)
* Timepedia.org (geographic and other free time series data)

about community data gathering of environmental information, feeding
to global mapping, and feeding from there back to communities and out
to NGOs, governments, and international organizations. We are also
discussing collection of health information, and anything else that we
can feed into a computer that bears on the needs of the children and
their communities.

So the prospect of an engine that can start from our data and give us
a peek into various possible futures is a jump up and dance type of
idea.

 I'm certainly willing to adapt myself to the collective needs and I wanted
 to get a discussion started before the application deadline.

Excellent.

 Oh I guess a
 little more background on me:  I attended RPI in NY, USA for 2 years
 studying computer engineering, but transferred because I wanted to do
 something more applied.  I studied environmental studies (at SUNY ESF) for a
 couple years, and got back into coding through classes on ecological
 modeling and GIS.  I've been pretty heavily coding models, algorithms and
 interfaces for the past 2 years, mainly in C#, ObjC and some Fortran, but
 the past 3 months I've been using C++ for 8 hours a day and Python here and
 there.  I've got a Mac with Linux (both FC8 and openSUSE10.3) and Windows,
 and I've just started over the past few weeks to pick up GTK, although I've
 used Cairo in a project for a couple months.  I've only dabbled with the XO,
 but am really looking forward to developing bundles for it.

I am User: Mokurai on the OLPC Wiki, and Founder of Earth Treasury. We
intend to link schools around the world for various educational and
research projects, and to teach the students how to create sustainable
international businesses together.

 I'm eager to hear what you think!
 yours,
 Bobby Powers


 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_dynamics
 [2] http://www.systemdynamics.org/
 [3] http://www.millenniuminstitute.net/
 [4] http://www.vensim.com/
 [5] http://www.powersim.com/
 [6] http://www.iseesystems.com/
 [7] http://www.futuresalon.org/2004/11/will_wright_kic.html
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Interested in the Google Summer of Code

2008-03-18 Thread Bobby Powers
Hi, I'm a master's student at the University of Bergen and I'm interested in
bringing System Dynamics to the XO.  Before I start, if there is a better
mailing list for this just let me know (I briefly looked through the other
ones liked from the Wiki, and this seemed the most appropriate).
System Dynamics (SD) [1][2] aims to help people understand the world by
explicitly modeling how pieces of it work and then performing experiments in
these models.  It is used around the world, frequently in majority world
countries, in development planning [3], for example.  More formally, its a
methodology for examining and describing the behavior of complex systems
with an emphasis on the effects that feedback loops and time delays have.
 At a basic level you have to specify the mathematical equations for the
different parts of your system.   The same problems can be solved by writing
code in a programming language (I had a course taught in Fortran a year
ago...), but usually in SD the modeling is done using a visual editor where
you can show causal relationships, stocks and flows graphically.  I
personally think the biggest short-fallings of the discipline are the
barriers to entry: the current software is far from intuitive and all the
major commercial offerings (there are no FLOSS products) [4][5][6] are very
expensive (educational licenses alone are frequently  $500 USD).

Will Wright studied SD and used ideas from it when designing SimCity [7].
 So I have several things I would like to work on:  first is a core
simulator that can transform equations into code (I'm currently working on
this for my master's thesis, but don't have and funding. eesh): I'm using
the JIT library from the LLVM project to be able to do this.  Second I want
to create a Sugar modeling interface that makes it easy and fun to create
models and explore their results (collaboratively, I hope!), and third I
want to hook this into Metropolis.  I think it would just be so cool if you
could click an icon in Metropolis and have the visual model that controls
the Metropolis world pop up (in the aforementioned editor) and be able not
only to fiddle with parameters, but change the structure!  If all of this
goes smoothly and there is more time, I would love to add the ability for
models to interact with and manipulate geospatial data.


I guess I am looking for people's reaction, is this something people like?
 I'm certainly willing to adapt myself to the collective needs and I wanted
to get a discussion started before the application deadline.  Oh I guess a
little more background on me:  I attended RPI in NY, USA for 2 years
studying computer engineering, but transferred because I wanted to do
something more applied.  I studied environmental studies (at SUNY ESF) for a
couple years, and got back into coding through classes on ecological
modeling and GIS.  I've been pretty heavily coding models, algorithms and
interfaces for the past 2 years, mainly in C#, ObjC and some Fortran, but
the past 3 months I've been using C++ for 8 hours a day and Python here and
there.  I've got a Mac with Linux (both FC8 and openSUSE10.3) and Windows,
and I've just started over the past few weeks to pick up GTK, although I've
used Cairo in a project for a couple months.  I've only dabbled with the XO,
but am really looking forward to developing bundles for it.


I'm eager to hear what you think!
yours,
Bobby Powers


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_dynamics
[2] http://www.systemdynamics.org/
[3] http://www.millenniuminstitute.net/
[4] http://www.vensim.com/
[5] http://www.powersim.com/
[6] http://www.iseesystems.com/
[7] http://www.futuresalon.org/2004/11/will_wright_kic.html
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Re: [Server-devel] Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  AFAIK - Summer of Code does not support non code related projects.

You are right - but the related GHOP does. We could get a lot of
mileage out of that.

cheers,


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Re: [Server-devel] Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-01 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AFAIK - Summer of Code does not support non code related projects.

  You are right - but the related GHOP does. We could get a lot of
  mileage out of that.


Yes - OLPC should probably try to be a part of the next GHOP - there
are a lot of potential tasks that are suited for the GHOP.

In a related note - I have move the current SOC page in the wiki to an
archive (Summer of Code/2007) and the current toplevel page talks
2008.

Thanks,
Sayamindu



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Re: [Server-devel] Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-01 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
I added to this page DrGeo enhancements needed to make it fully
operable within the XO machine.

Hilaire

2008/2/29, Shankar Pokharel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Is there a wiki page (specific to SoC 2008) which can be used to build
  up a list of ideas ?

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2008
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Re: Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-02-29 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hi,
Is there a wiki page (specific to SoC 2008) which can be used to build
up a list of ideas ?
I have been involved in the Summer of Code in 2007 (as a student under
GNOME) - and I would love to help organize the SoC efforts from OLPC
this year.
Thanks,
Sayamindu


2008/2/29 Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Thanks, Martin.  That's a great idea; every project should list their needs
 and think of them in terms of work interns can do.  We should also start
 looking for experienced mentors now who can take on 1-3 projects and give
 the interns serious feedback.

 SJ



 On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Last year OLPC mentored a couple of GSoC projects - as documented at
  http://wiki.laptop.org/wiki/OLPC_Google_Summer_of_Code - I think we
  could have a lot more projects. This year, GSoC is starting early, so
  we should be getting in motion asap.
 
  From the School Server side of things, there's a lot to do, and many
  of those tasks can be broken down in small steps that can be tackled
  by a GSoC student. I would like to setup a few tasks there for OLPC,
  and I am prepared to mentor a few well-picked students. I have
  mentored students for the Moodle project last year, and that had
  excellent results.
 
  The moodle team is already on the move preparing things for their GSoC
  2008, that's how I caught wind of the early start ;-)
 
  cheers,
 
 
 
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Re: [Server-devel] Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-02-29 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Ok - here's the idea page - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2008/Ideas

Thanks,
Sayamindu


On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Shankar Pokharel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On 2/29/08, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
  Is there a wiki page (specific to SoC 2008) which can be used to build
  up a list of ideas ?

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2008
 
 
 
  I have been involved in the Summer of Code in 2007 (as a student under
  GNOME) - and I would love to help organize the SoC efforts from OLPC
  this year.
  Thanks,
  Sayamindu
 
 
  2008/2/29 Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   Thanks, Martin.  That's a great idea; every project should list their
 needs
   and think of them in terms of work interns can do.  We should also start
   looking for experienced mentors now who can take on 1-3 projects and
 give
   the interns serious feedback.
  
   SJ
  
  
  
   On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Martin Langhoff
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
Last year OLPC mentored a couple of GSoC projects - as documented at
http://wiki.laptop.org/wiki/OLPC_Google_Summer_of_Code - I think we
could have a lot more projects. This year, GSoC is starting early, so
we should be getting in motion asap.
   
From the School Server side of things, there's a lot to do, and many
of those tasks can be broken down in small steps that can be tackled
by a GSoC student. I would like to setup a few tasks there for OLPC,
and I am prepared to mentor a few well-picked students. I have
mentored students for the Moodle project last year, and that had
excellent results.
   
The moodle team is already on the move preparing things for their GSoC
2008, that's how I caught wind of the early start ;-)
   
cheers,
   
   
   
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Re: [Server-devel] Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-02-29 Thread Shankar Pokharel
On 2/29/08, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 Is there a wiki page (specific to SoC 2008) which can be used to build
 up a list of ideas ?


http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2008

I have been involved in the Summer of Code in 2007 (as a student under
 GNOME) - and I would love to help organize the SoC efforts from OLPC
 this year.
 Thanks,
 Sayamindu


 2008/2/29 Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Thanks, Martin.  That's a great idea; every project should list their
 needs
  and think of them in terms of work interns can do.  We should also start
  looking for experienced mentors now who can take on 1-3 projects and
 give
  the interns serious feedback.
 
  SJ
 
 
 
  On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Martin Langhoff 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Last year OLPC mentored a couple of GSoC projects - as documented at
   http://wiki.laptop.org/wiki/OLPC_Google_Summer_of_Code - I think we
   could have a lot more projects. This year, GSoC is starting early, so
   we should be getting in motion asap.
  
   From the School Server side of things, there's a lot to do, and many
   of those tasks can be broken down in small steps that can be tackled
   by a GSoC student. I would like to setup a few tasks there for OLPC,
   and I am prepared to mentor a few well-picked students. I have
   mentored students for the Moodle project last year, and that had
   excellent results.
  
   The moodle team is already on the move preparing things for their GSoC
   2008, that's how I caught wind of the early start ;-)
  
   cheers,
  
  
  
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Re: [Server-devel] Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-02-29 Thread Don Hopkins

Thanks for creating the wiki page!
I just added this to the Summer of Code 2008 Ideas page:
http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Summer_of_Code/2008


 Micropolis

I have a long list of interesting ways to develop Micropolis 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Micropolis, which I have written about on my 
blog http://www.DonHopkins.com!


The source code is on Google Code http://code.google.com/p/micropolis, 
and I've been working on finishing up all the grunt work that requires 
familiarity with the code and would be hard for other people to do, to 
enable other people to work on the higher level stuff that depends on that.


There are two Micropolis projects:

   * The old micropolis-activity which is the original TCL/Tk version
 of SimCity for Unix, which I ported to Linux and adapted to the OLPC.

   * The new MicropolisCore C++/SWIG/Python module that I've cleaned
 up and I have started developing a user interface.

It would be best to put effort into developing the new MicropolisCore 
code for the long term, although there are some small tasks that could 
be done with the old TCL/Tk code for the short term.


-Don Hopkins http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Dhopkins


Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote:

Ok - here's the idea page - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2008/Ideas

Thanks,
Sayamindu

  


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Re: [Server-devel] Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-02-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok - here's the idea page - 
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2008/Ideas

  Thanks,
  Sayamindu

I added a few of the ideas we have discussed on this list, and thought
of a few more. Is there any code we need for localization and
translation work? For example, to match strings between our Pootle and
the one for KhmerOS and automatically populate ours with suggestions?

Projects

* Integrate espeak engine with all activities, not just Speak, and
provide for karaoke coloring. See Mokurai's article on adapting Same
Language Subtitling for literacy to the XO.

* Sugar Factory, an automated method for Sugarizing non-Python
applications. Albert Cahalan has some of this working now.

* Localization and Content conversion, for those who don't code.
Coders can provide tools.

* Document reader with annotation capability

* GIS activity for XO. Engineers Without Borders, Timepedia, and
International Symposium on Digital Earth want to work with OLPC to
create community-based mapping data collection systems that will feed
to global mapping and analysis projects, which will then feed back to
the children and their communities. Environment, health,
agriculture...

* Extend Gnash to read more data formats, in particular those at
OLPC.tv, and Mary Lou Jepsen's presentation at the Greener Gadgets
Conference. Integrate Supat's SSS code and move it upstream.

* Feed generated data from simulations or the software synthesizer
into the Measure activity.

* More generally, support snap-together programming of XO
activities in the manner that Turtle Art and Etoys provide internally.
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Re: [Server-devel] Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-02-29 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Ok - here's the idea page - 
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2008/Ideas
  
Thanks,
Sayamindu

  I added a few of the ideas we have discussed on this list, and thought
  of a few more. Is there any code we need for localization and
  translation work? For example, to match strings between our Pootle and
  the one for KhmerOS and automatically populate ours with suggestions?

Pootle can use the translation memories used by Khmer OS - I'll look
at the exact method to be used.


  Projects

 * Integrate espeak engine with all activities, not just Speak, and
  provide for karaoke coloring. See Mokurai's article on adapting Same
  Language Subtitling for literacy to the XO.

 * Sugar Factory, an automated method for Sugarizing non-Python
  applications. Albert Cahalan has some of this working now.

 * Localization and Content conversion, for those who don't code.
  Coders can provide tools.


AFAIK - Summer of Code does not support non code related projects.


Thanks,
Sayamindu


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Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-02-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Last year OLPC mentored a couple of GSoC projects - as documented at
http://wiki.laptop.org/wiki/OLPC_Google_Summer_of_Code - I think we
could have a lot more projects. This year, GSoC is starting early, so
we should be getting in motion asap.

From the School Server side of things, there's a lot to do, and many
of those tasks can be broken down in small steps that can be tackled
by a GSoC student. I would like to setup a few tasks there for OLPC,
and I am prepared to mentor a few well-picked students. I have
mentored students for the Moodle project last year, and that had
excellent results.

The moodle team is already on the move preparing things for their GSoC
2008, that's how I caught wind of the early start ;-)

cheers,



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