Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-30 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
At Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:42:51 -0500,
Samuel Klein wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.

  I have to agree wtih David on making a dead cerebrity say something
he didn't say.  And, while the message of Imagine and Lennon have
some overlap with the mission of OLPC, but it is not as big as one
might think.  Looking at Yoko Ono has been saying and doing, she/they
are more into new-agey, peseudo-sciencey, and not quite a good message
in conjunction with education.

  I like some of the songs, and I don't oppose to progressive art and
their activities, but I feel it awkward if people treat Lennon as a
big symbol for practical world changer and not to mention for
education.)

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-30 Thread Bastien
Yoshiki Ohshima yosh...@vpri.org writes:

   I like some of the songs, and I don't oppose to progressive art and
 their activities, but I feel it awkward if people treat Lennon as a
 big symbol for practical world changer and not to mention for
 education.)

Yeah.

Too bad OLPC didn't make an animated movie with Socrates using a XO!

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Re: [Grassroots-l] G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-30 Thread Marten Vijn
On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 22:58 -0500, Samuel Klein wrote:
 Aha!  Yes, I've made that a response to the recent spot.  As for the
 comments... this is a chance to work on your skill at teaching through
 one-liners.
 There are a few other great videos up that are worth sharing where
 appropriate; Joels video of an 8 and 10-year old repairing a keyboard
 comes to mind.  For those who haven't seen it:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pus_fA1Tv9w
 
 Project4Awesome has some tips for using YouTube to spread an idea
 [they run an annual 'take over YT for charity' day every Dec. 17] -
 http://www.projectforawesome.com/?page_id=16




 
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 On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM, S Page i...@skierpage.com wrote:
   the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in the middle of
  the jungle?  give them food!
 
  I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop ,
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
  That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock
  response to the doubters.
 
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Re: [Grassroots-l] G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-30 Thread david
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Kevin Cole wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 16:21, Andr?s Ambrois andresambr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I also wouldn't feel comfortable articulating dead people imagery to make it
 seem like they said something they didn't. No matter how obvious it may seem
 that it is an actor, no matter how much his wife agrees with the statement.

 I feel Sagan's voice in this video would have made a true a deep message:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLkC7ralR30

 I would suggest Sagan's Cosmos and Pale Blue Dot passages for future ads of
 this nature. There are countless great poets out there, no need to fake them
 :)

 At first, I didn't want to rain on anyone's parade, but I see others
 feel as I do.  Putting words in someone's mouth without a strong hint
 of parody isn't right.

Parody isn't nessasarily a requirement. The scenes in Forrest Gump where 
they have him meeting with the President isn't parody, but it's very 
clearly fiction, and a very appropriate use of this sort of technology.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-29 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Saturday 27 December 2008 20:28:10 da...@lang.hm wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, Samuel Klein wrote:
  Hi,
 
  The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
  released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
  makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
  I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
  get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
  50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
  the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
  on the blog.
   http://blog.laptop.org

 personal opinion here, I don't like using digital fakery to make dead
 celebreties say things that they never said (movies that are clearly
 fiction are an exception to this)

 In this case I think the quality of the audio splicing also leave a lot to
 be desired (but then again, I've never listened to recordings of Lennon
 talking, so it could be his real speech pattern)

 the other videos on the blog are very interesting. I hadn't heard of this
 blog before, thanks for the pointer.

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  I also wouldn't feel comfortable articulating dead people imagery to make it 
seem like they said something they didn't. No matter how obvious it may seem 
that it is an actor, no matter how much his wife agrees with the statement. 

  I feel Sagan's voice in this video would have made a true a deep message: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLkC7ralR30

  I would suggest Sagan's Cosmos and Pale Blue Dot passages for future ads of 
this nature. There are countless great poets out there, no need to fake them 
:)
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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-28 Thread david
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, Samuel Klein wrote:

 Aha!  Yes, I've made that a response to the recent spot.  As for the
 comments... this is a chance to work on your skill at teaching through
 one-liners.
 There are a few other great videos up that are worth sharing where
 appropriate; Joels video of an 8 and 10-year old repairing a keyboard
 comes to mind.  For those who haven't seen it:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pus_fA1Tv9w

as a suggestion for people generating videos like this, please subtitle 
them in english.

while I understand that much of the world uses a primary laguange other 
than english, english does serve as the common denominator for a lot of 
international communication.

besides, a very large percentage of the people who need to get the message 
are in the US, and very few of them know many other languages.

David Lang

 Project4Awesome has some tips for using YouTube to spread an idea
 [they run an annual 'take over YT for charity' day every Dec. 17] -
 http://www.projectforawesome.com/?page_id=16

 SJ

 On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM, S Page i...@skierpage.com wrote:
  the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in the middle of
 the jungle?  give them food!

 I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop ,
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
 That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock
 response to the doubters.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-28 Thread david
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, S Page wrote:

  the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in
 the middle of the jungle?  give them food!

 I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop ,
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
 That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock
 response to the doubters.

I agree, this is a spectacular video.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-28 Thread Bastien
Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org writes:

 Has that white-on-black version of the logo appeared anywhere else?

I don't know...

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Re: Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-28 Thread Sebastien Adgnot

 Sebastien - I think we may need another way to navigate (a set of
 numbers in addition to   ) now that the group's broken 400
 videos...


ok, we have to think about easy ways to navigate through list of videos (by
user might also be interesting).

Sebastien

On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:

 If you still want the originals for download, you can find some at
 media.laptop.org, but that machine isn't designed to take much
 traffic.
 http://media.laptop.org/zimi/
 http://media.laptop.org/brandvideos/

 You can also see other videos uploaded to the olpc group at DM, which
 are automatically converted and moved there (once they are approved
 for group inclusion), so if you already have a vid you want others to
 be able to see on their XO, make a DM account and post it to
 http://www.dailymotion.com/olpc

 where it will join


 http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7gne6_give-one-get-one-2007-thank-you_school

 http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7f7jj_one-laptop-per-child-zimis-story-fu_school

 http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7o505_skills-the-right-to-education_lifestyle
 http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7ft2t_olpc-mission-video-part-1_tech
 http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7ft5g_olpc-mission-video-part-2_tech

 along with a large collection of Plonsters claymations, a /huge/
 collection of Cullen Wood kids' videos, and more.

 Sebastien - I think we may need another way to navigate (a set of
 numbers in addition to   ) now that the group's broken 400
 videos...

 SJ


 On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:
  That is a fine point, Mikus.
  We are working with dailymotion to provide an archive of all olpc
  videos formatted cleanly for the XO.
 
  http://www.dailymotion.com/factory/olpc
  http://olpc.dailymotion.com/
 
  for the time being, you can just write to web-t...@lists.laptop.org if
  there's a video you want to see that isn't up there.
  the message from Lennon already is.
 
  SJ
 
  On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
  There are those of us who have difficulty watching YouTube on our XOs.
  Is
  there somewhere to download this video with wget ?
 
  mikus
 
 
 
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G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi,

The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
on the blog.
  http://blog.laptop.org

Quick G1G1 updates :
1. The first batch of international G1G1 machines should all have
arrived this week, in time for Christmas.
Some people in Europe weren't sure about when the program is ending;
while we didn't announce a specific date, it is likely to stop after
December 31st.
While there was been discussion about continuing G1G1 for a short
while longer in the US, that may end at the same time.
   http://blog.laptop.org/2008/12/24/g1g1-international-update/

2. There is a form you can fill out if you'd like OLPC to mail a
thank-you card to someone when you donate  on their behalf, and a
downloadable PDF of the card you can send directly:
   http://laptop.org/thankyou/donationform.html
   http://laptop.org/thankyou/OLPC_GiftCard.pdf

I hope we can use a lot of these for the ongoing give-a-school program
(whatever it is called!).  If you make translations (of the form or
card), post details to localization@ and web-t...@laptop .

Holiday spirits,
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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread david
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, Samuel Klein wrote:

 Hi,

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
 makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
 I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
 get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
 50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
 the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
 on the blog.
  http://blog.laptop.org

personal opinion here, I don't like using digital fakery to make dead 
celebreties say things that they never said (movies that are clearly 
fiction are an exception to this)

In this case I think the quality of the audio splicing also leave a lot to 
be desired (but then again, I've never listened to recordings of Lennon 
talking, so it could be his real speech pattern)

the other videos on the blog are very interesting. I hadn't heard of this 
blog before, thanks for the pointer.

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Re: Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
That is a fine point, Mikus.
We are working with dailymotion to provide an archive of all olpc
videos formatted cleanly for the XO.

http://www.dailymotion.com/factory/olpc
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/

for the time being, you can just write to web-t...@lists.laptop.org if
there's a video you want to see that isn't up there.
the message from Lennon already is.

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
 There are those of us who have difficulty watching YouTube on our XOs.  Is
 there somewhere to download this video with wget ?

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Re: Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
If you still want the originals for download, you can find some at
media.laptop.org, but that machine isn't designed to take much
traffic.
http://media.laptop.org/zimi/
http://media.laptop.org/brandvideos/

You can also see other videos uploaded to the olpc group at DM, which
are automatically converted and moved there (once they are approved
for group inclusion), so if you already have a vid you want others to
be able to see on their XO, make a DM account and post it to
http://www.dailymotion.com/olpc

where it will join

http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7gne6_give-one-get-one-2007-thank-you_school
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7f7jj_one-laptop-per-child-zimis-story-fu_school
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7o505_skills-the-right-to-education_lifestyle
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7ft2t_olpc-mission-video-part-1_tech
http://olpc.dailymotion.com/video/x7ft5g_olpc-mission-video-part-2_tech

along with a large collection of Plonsters claymations, a /huge/
collection of Cullen Wood kids' videos, and more.

Sebastien - I think we may need another way to navigate (a set of
numbers in addition to   ) now that the group's broken 400
videos...

SJ


On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:
 That is a fine point, Mikus.
 We are working with dailymotion to provide an archive of all olpc
 videos formatted cleanly for the XO.

 http://www.dailymotion.com/factory/olpc
 http://olpc.dailymotion.com/

 for the time being, you can just write to web-t...@lists.laptop.org if
 there's a video you want to see that isn't up there.
 the message from Lennon already is.

 SJ

 On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
 There are those of us who have difficulty watching YouTube on our XOs.  Is
 there somewhere to download this video with wget ?

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
David,

I believe it's his real speech, with a few composite moments.  It
sounds like other interviews I've heard -- and different from most
singing voice examples in my head.  You're not alone in making that
comment about the voice. Feel free to suggest post topics or
additional videos to review for the blog in the comments.

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:28 PM,  da...@lang.hm wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, Samuel Klein wrote:

 Hi,

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
 makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
 I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
 get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
 50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
 the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
 on the blog.
  http://blog.laptop.org

 personal opinion here, I don't like using digital fakery to make dead
 celebreties say things that they never said (movies that are clearly fiction
 are an exception to this)

 In this case I think the quality of the audio splicing also leave a lot to
 be desired (but then again, I've never listened to recordings of Lennon
 talking, so it could be his real speech pattern)

 the other videos on the blog are very interesting. I hadn't heard of this
 blog before, thanks for the pointer.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Bastien
Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org writes:

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  

I only like the beginning - flying XOs...  the first attempt for a
forthcoming screensaver activity?

For the rest of it, it sounds fake, it's too short, what we see and 
hear is nothing but a distraction from the core message.  Looks like
people have been playing with a beautiful idea, but ended up with a
toy-movie.

My favorite so far is Waveplace's one:

  http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3wB-7JeOE

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org writes:

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.

 I only like the beginning - flying XOs...  the first attempt for a
 forthcoming screensaver activity?

My thoughts exactly.  I'd like to know who wrote the code for that.


 For the rest of it, it sounds fake, it's too short, what we see and
 hear is nothing but a distraction from the core message.  Looks like
 people have been playing with a beautiful idea, but ended up with a
 toy-movie.

 My favorite so far is Waveplace's one:

  http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3wB-7JeOE

It certainly has the best imagery of kids in XO schools.
Has that white-on-black version of the logo appeared anywhere else?

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:

 I believe it's his real speech, with a few composite moments.  It

I stand corrected; it was an actor.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread S Page
Samuel Klein wrote:

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.

Well it's united Lennon fans, OLPC h8ters, the usual foul-mouthed 
losers, and the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in 
the middle of the jungle?  give them food!  I responded to a few of the 
last, and all my comments got voted off the island.

If you have a youtube account, vote the reasonable responses up.
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_commentsv=4b4GkGMiBDQ

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread S Page
  the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in 
 the middle of the jungle?  give them food! 

I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop ,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock 
response to the doubters.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Aha!  Yes, I've made that a response to the recent spot.  As for the
comments... this is a chance to work on your skill at teaching through
one-liners.
There are a few other great videos up that are worth sharing where
appropriate; Joels video of an 8 and 10-year old repairing a keyboard
comes to mind.  For those who haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pus_fA1Tv9w

Project4Awesome has some tips for using YouTube to spread an idea
[they run an annual 'take over YT for charity' day every Dec. 17] -
http://www.projectforawesome.com/?page_id=16

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM, S Page i...@skierpage.com wrote:
  the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in the middle of
 the jungle?  give them food!

 I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop ,
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
 That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock
 response to the doubters.

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