Re: [Olpc-open] Massive mesh view?
Thank you Philip, There is a friends page along with the neighborhood view where you can add all of the people that are important to you. I know this answer, but this is not really the answer, right? From where do you add all of these people and how do you find the important people? The other questions will be better answered by others. That is alright. Walter gave his answers and not every questions have answers^^; -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Massive mesh view?
Representation of massive numbers of XOs in the network is definitely an interesting problem. It may be a little early to jump into providing solutions, but I dealt with the problem recently while working on my space activity, and space itself can be a scarce resource on screen, especially if you won't the layout of the icons to make some sense. Given a standard amount of space (the screen size), one approach is resize the icons in order to accommodate more icons on screen. But do we just resize all icons equally? I'd say no, because you may want to keep close friends at standard icon size and have everybody else shrink according to the level of interaction you may have with them. So, one size does not fit all. I would even go as far as to propose a Google Earth approach, where you zoom-out above ground and back in to focus on the people you're looking for. Also, providing a temperature map of human clusters may be another approach. I understand that the processing power required in both cases may also be massive and therefore prohibitive, but I just meant to layout some ideas. Pol Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: Thank you, Walter, Ah, yes. I would think that we could emphasize the openness of platform so that letting people setup their own Jabber server would be one way to go, as it is more likely that the buyers of G1G1 will have some other computers. Still an SNS system hooked up with laptops ID might be good. Customizable SNS engines like OpenPNE could be a good starting point to set up something relatively in short time... -- Yoshiki At Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:33:09 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: Even outside of the context of the G1G1 program, many of your questions are relevant. The current neighborhood view will not scale for a large school. We have a number of enhancements to the view in the works, principally filtering. (As Philip mentioned, the friends view, to which you invite people, is in essence a filtered neighborhood view--there can be many others.) In the context of a school or community deployment, there will be multiple Jabber servers, but we will also want the Jabber servers to talk to each other at some level, so that there are bridges between islands of users. For G1G1, there will be a default Jabber server, but undoubtedly more will pop up. -walter On 10/20/07, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Recently, I talked with some folks who are trying to do promotion of the give one get one program, and some issues (all are related) came up: - How many users can be shown in the mesh view? - If you limit the number of buddys on the view, how do you limit? - Are we going to have many (jabber) servers for these buyers in the US? - Are we going to have an SNS like community so that (for example) a set of friends can have a place to find each other easily? A senario was that a kid and her niece on the different coasts should be able to find each other. I don't know if there is plan for these (for the G1G1 program), but having an SNS site sounds like a good idea. The parents will feel safer if they know with whom their kids are talking. -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender One Laptop per Child http://laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Massive mesh view?
I wondered if g1g1 owners could be invited into a non-profit community, where the user experience could also be to nominate and create sub-groups -- which could also include chat/privacy settings. I don't know if the folks working on xogiving have plans for this or are just raising awareness, but xospace.org is a domain that is ready to go and I am glad to collaborate with whoever to build a community. I think it would be nice to have something open that is not just limited to g1g1, but is multilingual and uses an existing scalable open source cms in phase 1, and then phase 2 could be customized. I do think it would also be nice to have a kids area. In second life -- in the teen version, every participant is required to go through a background check -- so membership is open, but there's some safeguards. Instinct tells me that it might be nice to connect safe membership for g1g1 children through schools somehow. thoughts? On 10/20/07, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Walter, Ah, yes. I would think that we could emphasize the openness of platform so that letting people setup their own Jabber server would be one way to go, as it is more likely that the buyers of G1G1 will have some other computers. Still an SNS system hooked up with laptops ID might be good. Customizable SNS engines like OpenPNE could be a good starting point to set up something relatively in short time... -- Yoshiki At Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:33:09 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: Even outside of the context of the G1G1 program, many of your questions are relevant. The current neighborhood view will not scale for a large school. We have a number of enhancements to the view in the works, principally filtering. (As Philip mentioned, the friends view, to which you invite people, is in essence a filtered neighborhood view--there can be many others.) In the context of a school or community deployment, there will be multiple Jabber servers, but we will also want the Jabber servers to talk to each other at some level, so that there are bridges between islands of users. For G1G1, there will be a default Jabber server, but undoubtedly more will pop up. -walter On 10/20/07, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Recently, I talked with some folks who are trying to do promotion of the give one get one program, and some issues (all are related) came up: - How many users can be shown in the mesh view? - If you limit the number of buddys on the view, how do you limit? - Are we going to have many (jabber) servers for these buyers in the US? - Are we going to have an SNS like community so that (for example) a set of friends can have a place to find each other easily? A senario was that a kid and her niece on the different coasts should be able to find each other. I don't know if there is plan for these (for the G1G1 program), but having an SNS site sounds like a good idea. The parents will feel safer if they know with whom their kids are talking. -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender One Laptop per Child http://laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Todd Kelsey 630.808.6444 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Massive mesh view?
There is some work being done at Meadan on mapping users and a scalable interface -- this might represent an opportunity for convergence. if the thin client (xo) didn't have processing power to generate/update in realtime, you could generate such a map on a server, or peer to peer on another cluster of computers (ex peer donors), and perhaps push over a simple bitmap using ajax? On 10/20/07, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Representation of massive numbers of XOs in the network is definitely an interesting problem. It may be a little early to jump into providing solutions, but I dealt with the problem recently while working on my space activity, and space itself can be a scarce resource on screen, especially if you won't the layout of the icons to make some sense. Given a standard amount of space (the screen size), one approach is resize the icons in order to accommodate more icons on screen. But do we just resize all icons equally? I'd say no, because you may want to keep close friends at standard icon size and have everybody else shrink according to the level of interaction you may have with them. So, one size does not fit all. I would even go as far as to propose a Google Earth approach, where you zoom-out above ground and back in to focus on the people you're looking for. Also, providing a temperature map of human clusters may be another approach. I understand that the processing power required in both cases may also be massive and therefore prohibitive, but I just meant to layout some ideas. Pol Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: Thank you, Walter, Ah, yes. I would think that we could emphasize the openness of platform so that letting people setup their own Jabber server would be one way to go, as it is more likely that the buyers of G1G1 will have some other computers. Still an SNS system hooked up with laptops ID might be good. Customizable SNS engines like OpenPNE could be a good starting point to set up something relatively in short time... -- Yoshiki At Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:33:09 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: Even outside of the context of the G1G1 program, many of your questions are relevant. The current neighborhood view will not scale for a large school. We have a number of enhancements to the view in the works, principally filtering. (As Philip mentioned, the friends view, to which you invite people, is in essence a filtered neighborhood view--there can be many others.) In the context of a school or community deployment, there will be multiple Jabber servers, but we will also want the Jabber servers to talk to each other at some level, so that there are bridges between islands of users. For G1G1, there will be a default Jabber server, but undoubtedly more will pop up. -walter On 10/20/07, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Recently, I talked with some folks who are trying to do promotion of the give one get one program, and some issues (all are related) came up: - How many users can be shown in the mesh view? - If you limit the number of buddys on the view, how do you limit? - Are we going to have many (jabber) servers for these buyers in the US? - Are we going to have an SNS like community so that (for example) a set of friends can have a place to find each other easily? A senario was that a kid and her niece on the different coasts should be able to find each other. I don't know if there is plan for these (for the G1G1 program), but having an SNS site sounds like a good idea. The parents will feel safer if they know with whom their kids are talking. -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender One Laptop per Child http://laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Todd Kelsey 630.808.6444 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Massive mesh view?
Hello, Recently, I talked with some folks who are trying to do promotion of the give one get one program, and some issues (all are related) came up: - How many users can be shown in the mesh view? - If you limit the number of buddys on the view, how do you limit? - Are we going to have many (jabber) servers for these buyers in the US? - Are we going to have an SNS like community so that (for example) a set of friends can have a place to find each other easily? A senario was that a kid and her niece on the different coasts should be able to find each other. I don't know if there is plan for these (for the G1G1 program), but having an SNS site sounds like a good idea. The parents will feel safer if they know with whom their kids are talking. -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
