Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:26:41AM -0700, rihowa...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 page has not been updated with information about and pointing to the OS13 build. I've updated it. There's an OS14 available from April as well, but I've not found an announcement. I was unsure of which known problems to remove. I've also added Bernie's build. I don't yet know how to change the Latest Releases box on the top right of the page. Help welcome. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
Steve, I just noticed that the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 page has not been updated with information about and pointing to the OS13 build. Is this intentional? By the way thank you for the builds. Robert H. rihowa...@gmail.com On Mar 27, 2010, at 5:53 AM, Steven M. Parrish wrote: OS13 is now available for testing. It is available for download at http://people.sugarlabs.org/~smparrish Installation instructions are here http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1#Installation_instructions I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to test these releases. We are getting close to an Final and Official release, and without your help would not have made it to this point. Steven -- = Steven M. Parrish - gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: Nickname: SMParrish Channels: #fedora-kde, #fedora-olpc, #fedora-edu, #sugar, #packagekit ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 00:46 -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: I've installed the 2010/03/22 XO-1 kernel on two os13 systems and on one 115-py system. Running those systems, I have seen no problems that I would think could be attributed to using this newest kernel. It is good enough for me -- but I customize my systems (including kernel parameter values and suchlike). Whether an unmodified system is good enough for your purposes is something you will have to decide for yourself. Cool. Can you please test: (1) camera and video playback in Record (2) sound recording in Record (this is expected to fail with any kernel, but we may be lucky) (3) enable automatic power management in os115py and see if the camera still works (4) networking after a few cycles of suspend I've been installing new kernels for months. [ I actually rsync to /versions/pristine/xxx/boot/ ] This upgrade was more tricky than most -- kernel-firmware conflicts were found and I had to use --force you could also install the new kernel-firmware package. BTW, I've been wondering: does kernel-firmware contain anything that we actually need? Probably not. It would be interesting to drop it and see if anything breaks. With some luck, we could greatly reduce the body of questionable blobs that we ship with the OS images (the remaining offenders are the libertas firmware and the EC code). the alternate boot scheme (I wonder how many people actually use it and if it's still worth keeping) Something (such as a form of olpc-update ?) needs to be available that is less drastic than using copy-nand (or equivalent). My beef with the alternate boot scheme is that the /versions tree takes up substantially more jffs2 space than what is actually running - whereas the XO-1 does not really have any jffs2 space to spare. While olpc-update might never become usable for the general case, Daniel said that it works well for small OS patches. For small changes, yum would also work, although with a tiny window for failure. What's the actual cost we're paying in terms of disk space and kludgery in order to support olpc-update? Flashing is drastic, but very fast and easy to perform. We could reduce user annoyance by improving our journal backup-restore UI, which needs to be done anyway for other data loss scenarios. Currently, users are being told to save anything they want to keep to a USB stick. Kids don't seem to be bothered, except for one girl who had created a lot of really cool stuff in Scratch which we had to be backed up manually. The upcoming sugarized Scratch will solve also this case. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
hal wrote: ber...@codewiz.org said: We'll deploy this to ~4000 kids really-soon-now. Bugs reported within 1-2 weeks have a chance of being fixed in time. os115 doesn't include powerd. Is your plan to ship it that way or do you want help testing suspend/resume? given the release schedule, i'm not at all surprised that bernies is sticking with ohmd. I ran it for a day or two before switching to os13. I didn't notice any troubles. os13 includes powerd. My network gets confused/broken quickly. It recovers, but that takes a minute. That's not useful for me. and indeed, it sounds like the ohmd may be the right choice. ;-) paul The good news is that the keyboard now works after resume so I can poke around. I don't know if the keyboard/cursor/resume quirk is really fixed. My cursor just stopped working. (The keyboard was OK.) I haven't noticed any troubles when powerd is disabled. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
Thanks for explaining about os13 not using the Feb 2010 NetworkManager. Another question, if I may -- os13 comes with a 2010/03/13 XO-1 kernel (commit bfcaa33). Is it ok to install the newer 2010/03/22 XO-1 kernel (commit 3f93d90) in my os13 system ? mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 15:51 -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Another question, if I may -- os13 comes with a 2010/03/13 XO-1 kernel (commit bfcaa33). Is it ok to install the newer 2010/03/22 XO-1 kernel (commit 3f93d90) in my os13 system ? Please try and let me know. I froze on that version because some XO-1 specific bugs had appeared in the following revisions. Those may have gone by now. To install a kernel on the XO-1, you need to do some trickery: rpm -i kernel-* rsync -a /boot/ /versions/running/boot/ This is due to the odd filesystem layout used to implement the alternate boot scheme (I wonder how many people actually use it and if it's still worth keeping). -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
OS13 is now available for testing. It is available for download at http://people.sugarlabs.org/~smparrish Installation instructions are here http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1#Installation_instructions I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to test these releases. We are getting close to an Final and Official release, and without your help would not have made it to this point. Steven -- = Steven M. Parrish - gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: Nickname: SMParrish Channels: #fedora-kde, #fedora-olpc, #fedora-edu, #sugar, #packagekit ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
Too many builds and only one XO-1 :-) Is there any priority? Is testing os115-py immediately applicable to os13 and vice versa? --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Steven M. Parrish smparr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steven M. Parrish smparr...@gmail.com Subject: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13 To: fedora-olpc-list fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com, OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org, Sugar Development sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org, devel-annou...@lists.laptop.org, test...@lists.laptop.org Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 8:53 AM OS13 is now available for testing. It is available for download at http://people.sugarlabs.org/~smparrish Installation instructions are here http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1#Installation_instructions I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to test these releases. We are getting close to an Final and Official release, and without your help would not have made it to this point. Steven -- = Steven M. Parrish - gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: Nickname: SMParrish Channels: #fedora-kde, #fedora-olpc, #fedora-edu, #sugar, #packagekit ___ olpc mailing list o...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/olpc ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
Both F11-XO1/os13 and os115-py are using the same custom kernel. However, kernel headers are not included, so trying to yum install compiling packages (gcc/make) you get the fedora 2.6.30 kernel headers instead. Maybe an appropriate repo should be included, if not the olpc one, or at least some way to get point to kernel headers, sources etc --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Steven M. Parrish smparr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steven M. Parrish smparr...@gmail.com Subject: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13 To: fedora-olpc-list fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com, OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org, Sugar Development sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org, devel-annou...@lists.laptop.org, test...@lists.laptop.org Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 8:53 AM OS13 is now available for testing. It is available for download at http://people.sugarlabs.org/~smparrish Installation instructions are here http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1#Installation_instructions I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to test these releases. We are getting close to an Final and Official release, and without your help would not have made it to this point. Steven -- = Steven M. Parrish - gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: Nickname: SMParrish Channels: #fedora-kde, #fedora-olpc, #fedora-edu, #sugar, #packagekit ___ olpc mailing list o...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/olpc ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 10:12 -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: Too many builds and only one XO-1 :-) Is there any priority? We'll deploy this to ~4000 kids really-soon-now. Bugs reported within 1-2 weeks have a chance of being fixed in time. Is testing os115-py immediately applicable to os13 and vice versa? They should already be very similar, and we're going to merge as much as possible. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
Steven - your builds (as released) continue to leave out the entries for http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~dsd/repos/f11/ and ../f11-xo1/ from /etc/yum.repos.d/ That has the effect of freezing the XO-1 services levels of your builds -- when potential newly-committed XO-1 rpms cannot be applied on-the-fly. Was that your intent ? Also, os13 came with a NetworkManager dated 2009/12/23. Was the newer F12 NetworkManager dated 2010/02/25 (and available in updates-testing) left deliberately out of os13 ? mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 17:01 -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Steven - your builds (as released) continue to leave out the entries for http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~dsd/repos/f11/ and ../f11-xo1/ from /etc/yum.repos.d/ That has the effect of freezing the XO-1 services levels of your builds -- when potential newly-committed XO-1 rpms cannot be applied on-the-fly. Was that your intent ? These repositories are created by aggregating public_rpms directories of multiple developers. These packages are often fresh from rpmbuild and totally untested on the XO-1. I discussed this with cjb, and he recommended that stable build pin-point packages manually from a stable repository instead. Also, os13 came with a NetworkManager dated 2009/12/23. Was the newer F12 NetworkManager dated 2010/02/25 (and available in updates-testing) left deliberately out of os13 ? The 20100225 version crashes on resume from suspend: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2010-February/thread.html#27505 Martin Abente of Paraguay Educa has been working on a fix. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New release of F11 for the XO-1 is available for testing - OS13
ber...@codewiz.org said: We'll deploy this to ~4000 kids really-soon-now. Bugs reported within 1-2 weeks have a chance of being fixed in time. os115 doesn't include powerd. Is your plan to ship it that way or do you want help testing suspend/resume? I ran it for a day or two before switching to os13. I didn't notice any troubles. os13 includes powerd. My network gets confused/broken quickly. It recovers, but that takes a minute. That's not useful for me. The good news is that the keyboard now works after resume so I can poke around. I don't know if the keyboard/cursor/resume quirk is really fixed. My cursor just stopped working. (The keyboard was OK.) I haven't noticed any troubles when powerd is disabled. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
