P.S. Re: [IAEP] etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-28 Thread Alan Kay
P.S. I thought of a different way to possibly resolve this. It occurs to me that this discussion and differences of opinion could really be about how executables are made. One of the main issues cited has to do with security, and a notion that being able to see the sources will help. The

Re: P.S. Re: [IAEP] etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-28 Thread Dan Krejsa
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 04:21 -0700, Alan Kay wrote: It was realized that most computing of the 50s and 60s was rather like synthetic chemistry in which structures are built atom by atom and molecule by molecule. This gets more and more difficult for larger and more complex combinations. Life

Re: P.S. Re: [IAEP] etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-28 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Continuing with the biological analogy, the folks who want to be able to bootstrap a Squeak/etoys image (starting from 'scratch' without such an image) want literally to be able to make ontogeny recapitulate phylogeny -- not necessarily every time an image starts, possibly not necessarily

Re: P.S. Re: [IAEP] etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-28 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Saturday 28 Jun 2008 4:51:47 pm Alan Kay wrote: It was realized that most computing of the 50s and 60s was rather like ... state in which they will become part of the ecology. I propose that this overview be included as part of Squeak. Squeak is very different from conventional programming