Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-10 Thread Reinier Heeres
Albert, Albert Cahalan wrote: Yoshiki Ohshima writes: Hi, Steve, I am a lurker, but this is an interesting discussion. I am a developer in health applications working with current dev release on a B4. Calculate is impressive; Pippy is impressive. They each serve a purpose which

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 9/9/07, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To reiterate my point, I think the code behind should be *ideally* presented in different ways that different learners can understand. In Etoys, you can go from visual tile scripting to (say) textual Smalltalk to the Smalltalk parse tree to

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-09 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Ivan, There were virtually no widespread public systems of education until the industrial revolution. Once they came about, they came about with a purpose: creating skilled industrial workers. I would say this part is too much generalization, but,,, That's broken. The reason the XO

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-08 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Ivan, You can almost tell that he is pretty much the only guy who is interested in supporting outside developers. That isn't fair. I speak on behalf of the entire OLPC team when I say that we're extremely interested in supporting outside developers. There's no question about it,

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-08 Thread NoiseEHC
On Sep 7, 2007, at 10:05 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: You can almost tell that he is pretty much the only guy who is interested in supporting outside developers. That isn't fair. I speak on behalf of the entire OLPC team when I say that we're extremely interested in supporting

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-08 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Sep 8, 2007, at 1:20 PM, NoiseEHC wrote: I tried to run my little tests via this mailing list and there were some kind people who took the time to help me but it turned out that the Geode is below my worst expectations and so requires a lot more tests than my patience. Send me your SSH2

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-08 Thread Jim Gettys
On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 22:36 +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: Wow, fast answer! On Sep 8, 2007, at 1:20 PM, NoiseEHC wrote: I tried to run my little tests via this mailing list and there were some kind people who took the time to help me but it turned out that the Geode is below my worst

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-07 Thread Albert Cahalan
Yoshiki Ohshima writes: Hi, Steve, I am a lurker, but this is an interesting discussion. I am a developer in health applications working with current dev release on a B4. Calculate is impressive; Pippy is impressive. They each serve a purpose which I think fits into an OPLC evolutionist

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-07 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Albert, Oh, good. You weren't simply trying to flame the discussion after all^^; For now, let me just jump to the last part... Imagine if the functions that are available in the Calculate mode (such as sin, sqrt, etc.) are actually defined in a way that kids can understand (for

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-07 Thread Mitch Bradley
Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: Remember the famous quote from Jerome Bruner: We begin with the hypothesis that any subject can be taught effectively in some intellectually honest form to any child at any stage of development. Sounds more like a statement of faith than a

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-07 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Mitch, Remember the famous quote from Jerome Bruner: We begin with the hypothesis that any subject can be taught effectively in some intellectually honest form to any child at any stage of development. Sounds more like a statement of faith than a falsifiable

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-07 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Albert, Again, this is not a criticism toward Reinier, but rather toward the fact that keeping up with the rate of change that Sugar and the UI guideline is not something a volunteer developer can easily cope with. Calculate is in Python, isn't it? Sugar and UI changes are deadly

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-07 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Hi, James, I'm in Australia. In our school system we use lowest common denominator, class based teaching ... advancement in knowledge and skill beyond the plan for the year is socially punished. Wow. Sounds like Japan. Bright kids learned to hide their ability. However, even with

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-07 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 03:34:18PM -0700, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: No no. Do you have any reason to believe that cannot be done under grade 12? (You can't really mean 12th graders... You mean 12 years old, right?) I'm in Australia. In our school system we use lowest common denominator,

Re: Pippy and Calculate - Evolution Solution

2007-09-06 Thread Steve Fullerton
Hi All, I am a lurker, but this is an interesting discussion. I am a developer in health applications working with current dev release on a B4. Calculate is impressive; Pippy is impressive. They each serve a purpose which I think fits into an OPLC evolutionist philosophy. First, there are US