Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-13 Thread Richard A. Smith
Jaya Kumar wrote: Overall XO - Peak power consumption: ?? Typical power consumption: ?? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Power_Draw Feel free to duplicate my experiments and send me your results/questions/suggestions. On area that needs looking at again is Sleep mode. The plan in

Re: Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Eee's are $599 (Windows) and $649 (Linux), in Australian dollars. The Windows model will be sold through general retailers, and the Linux model through computer stores. As of yesterday in NZ, it's $499 Linux, $605 XP

Re: Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-12 Thread James Cameron
Prices vary considerably. For the older 7 inch model, yesterday I saw $AUD 395 for Linux plus OpenOffice, $AUD 535 for XP plus 4Gb plus free mouse. This was at msy.com.au, who have a tendency toward more constant margin per unit. (Australia consumer protection circles are also considering

Re: Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-10 Thread Bert Freudenberg
The Windows-based EEE PC is going to be cheaper than the Linux-based in Australia: http://apcmag.com/windowsbased_eeepc_cheaper_than_linux_one.htm I'd say this shows how scared M$ is ... - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-10 Thread Sameer Verma
Bert Freudenberg wrote: The Windows-based EEE PC is going to be cheaper than the Linux-based in Australia: http://apcmag.com/windowsbased_eeepc_cheaper_than_linux_one.htm I'd say this shows how scared M$ is ... - Bert - It isn't Microsoft that sets the price (as opposed to cost) of

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-10 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Saturday 10 May 2008 5:07:22 am Jim Gettys wrote: 1:1 is really *very* important, for many reasons, not the least of which is the following: If a teacher cannot *rely* on a child having access to a computer for teaching their class and/or homework, you are, in essence, asking them to

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-10 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Bernie Innocenti wrote: a serious problem in the most underserved areas --- the price trend is for the second generation of the low cost laptops to head back to $500. The Asus 900 has a suggested list of $550 ? That's weird marketing... ASUS and Intel know they will have to beat OLPC's

Re: Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-10 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Saturday 10 May 2008 4:40:30 pm Bert Freudenberg wrote: The Windows-based EEE PC is going to be cheaper than the Linux-based in Australia: http://apcmag.com/windowsbased_eeepc_cheaper_than_linux_one.htm I'd say this shows how scared M$ is ... I am not sure. They are two different

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-10 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be getting my hands on a one2onemate next week. I'll report back what I learn, but I wouldn't condemn it sight unseen. At the very least, it is

Re: Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-10 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:56 AM, K. K. Subramaniam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 10 May 2008 4:40:30 pm Bert Freudenberg wrote: The Windows-based EEE PC is going to be cheaper than the Linux-based in Australia: http://apcmag.com/windowsbased_eeepc_cheaper_than_linux_one.htm I'd say

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-09 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Thursday 08 May 2008 1:50:59 pm Albert Cahalan wrote: From time to time, you get computer day. It could be a few times a year or once a week. Most likely this is decided by the teacher, who must then try to reserve the computers for the desired day. At the beginning of class, somebody

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:09 AM, K. K. Subramaniam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 08 May 2008 1:50:59 pm Albert Cahalan wrote: From time to time, you get computer day. It could be a few times a year or once a week. Most likely this is decided by the teacher, who must then try to reserve

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-09 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Friday 09 May 2008 9:33:26 pm Eben Eliason wrote: Even if you were to provide an computer exclusively to each child, they are unlikely to be in use all day long. Programmers in IT companies may spend their whole day before a computer, but children do have a life beyond the keyboard :-).

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:23 PM, K. K. Subramaniam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 09 May 2008 9:33:26 pm Eben Eliason wrote: Even if you were to provide an computer exclusively to each child, they are unlikely to be in use all day long. Programmers in IT companies may spend their whole

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-09 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Stephen John Smoogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:23 PM, K. K. Subramaniam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 09 May 2008 9:33:26 pm Eben Eliason wrote: Even if you were to provide an computer exclusively to each child, they are

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-09 Thread Jim Gettys
1:1 is really *very* important, for many reasons, not the least of which is the following: If a teacher cannot *rely* on a child having access to a computer for teaching their class and/or homework, you are, in essence, asking them to greatly *increase* their work-load, by having to prepare two

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-08 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 13:35 -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: It would take a real effort by OLPC to stop this rotten concept, but I don't see that happening. OLPC coldly and habitually ignores the USA. Not true... several cities are doing things. But certainly we believe in child control of a

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-07 Thread Bernie Innocenti
John Watlington wrote: The XO has a good reason for existance (MLJ's display, and attention to low power design). I agree. We had 1-2 years advantage over the others, and some kickass researchers in house. Ignoring the fact that most of the new low-cost laptops require much more power

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignoring the fact that most of the new low-cost laptops require much more power --- The EEE PC I have just bought heats up in the bag when suspended... and seems to have a noisy fan inside. Yes. Suspend eats up a

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-07 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Langhoff wrote: Yes. Suspend eats up a ton of battery on mine. I don't think they spent significant engineering time on power mgmt on the board there - which is a major disappointment :-( Is the

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-07 Thread Jaya Kumar
2008/5/6 John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The XO has a good reason for existance (MLJ's display, and attention to low power design). I'm just curious. I was wondering if you have a pointer to specific data about the MLJ display like exact specs on power consumption, brightness,

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-07 Thread Carol Lerche
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display ...and several pointers to further info in the reference section at the end On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Jaya Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/6 John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The XO has a good reason for existance (MLJ's display, and

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-07 Thread Jaya Kumar
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display ...and several pointers to further info in the reference section at the end Thanks Carol. Some of the data was there. Appended ?? marks the info I haven't been able to fill in yet. MLJ

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-06 Thread John Watlington
The XO has a good reason for existance (MLJ's display, and attention to low power design). Ignoring the fact that most of the new low-cost laptops require much more power --- a serious problem in the most underserved areas --- the price trend is for the second generation of the low cost