Re: [Grassroots-l] Turkish keyboard layout
Wikified for future viewing pleasure, since more people will undoubtedly want to do this in the future - please improve! I can't do much more than post these notes, having never done keyboard layouts myself. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_create_a_keyboard_layout (Also linked to from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Keyboard_layouts#How_to_create_a_keyboard_layout). -Mel Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >> I'm not sure about the workflow for adding new keyboards - do I add >> the relevant changes to xkeyboard-config and start a build in Koji ? >> Thanks, > > Both me and Arjun did it in the past. It's not complicated: > > - checkout the Freedesktop xkeyboard-config CVS > http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/Development > - read the rules for submitting xkeyboard-config patches: > http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/Rules > - apply your changes there > - diff to obtain a patch > - open a bug in Freedesktop's bugzilla with the patch attached > - wait for Sergey Udaltsov to apply it > > In parallel, you can add the patch to the package: > > - obtain a Fedora account if you do not have one already > - checkout Fedora CVS for xkeyboard-config > - go to the OLPC-2 branch (check with dgilmore if you also need OLPC-3) > - add your patch (see how the others were done) > - commit your changes > - rebuild in Koji > - your changes will appear in the next joyride build > > > I could do this work for the tr keyboard, but my time is very limited > and long term we need to find another volunteer to replace me. > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > I'm not sure about the workflow for adding new keyboards - do I add > the relevant changes to xkeyboard-config and start a build in Koji ? > Thanks, Both me and Arjun did it in the past. It's not complicated: - checkout the Freedesktop xkeyboard-config CVS http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/Development - read the rules for submitting xkeyboard-config patches: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/Rules - apply your changes there - diff to obtain a patch - open a bug in Freedesktop's bugzilla with the patch attached - wait for Sergey Udaltsov to apply it In parallel, you can add the patch to the package: - obtain a Fedora account if you do not have one already - checkout Fedora CVS for xkeyboard-config - go to the OLPC-2 branch (check with dgilmore if you also need OLPC-3) - add your patch (see how the others were done) - commit your changes - rebuild in Koji - your changes will appear in the next joyride build I could do this work for the tr keyboard, but my time is very limited and long term we need to find another volunteer to replace me. -- \___/ _| X | Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \|_O_| "It's an education project, not a laptop project!" ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
Jim Gettys wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 20:38 +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> We are trying to finalize the Turkish keyboard and I would like to get >>> any last minute opinions or thoughts. A number of people have already >>> provided their input -- THANKS! >>> >>> Please see the updated "Q" keyboard layout for Turkey: >>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkish_Keyboard >>> >>> If anyone can provide the xkb file, that would be great! >>> We could also use some help with Turkish translations. >>> Thanks Gary for catching the missing 'V' in the earlier version of the >>> Q keyboard. >>> >> Symbol file attached. >> The Manufacturing data page shows that for the Turkish machines, the >> KL tag should be set to us,tr. Do we need this ? From what I >> understand, the KL tag being set to tr only should do the trick. >> >> I'm not sure about the workflow for adding new keyboards - do I add >> the relevant changes to xkeyboard-config and start a build in Koji ? >> Thanks, >> Sayamindu >> > I have memories of this working this way so that the layout switching > works. Switching between TR and US was a requirement for the F layout. With the Q layout, which is fundamentally similar to the US, we don't need switching. So the KL mfg tag should be changed to "tr" only. -- \___/ _| X | Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \|_O_| "It's an education project, not a laptop project!" ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 20:38 +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We are trying to finalize the Turkish keyboard and I would like to get > > any last minute opinions or thoughts. A number of people have already > > provided their input -- THANKS! > > > > Please see the updated "Q" keyboard layout for Turkey: > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkish_Keyboard > > > > If anyone can provide the xkb file, that would be great! > > We could also use some help with Turkish translations. > > Thanks Gary for catching the missing 'V' in the earlier version of the > > Q keyboard. > > > > Symbol file attached. > The Manufacturing data page shows that for the Turkish machines, the > KL tag should be set to us,tr. Do we need this ? From what I > understand, the KL tag being set to tr only should do the trick. > > I'm not sure about the workflow for adding new keyboards - do I add > the relevant changes to xkeyboard-config and start a build in Koji ? > Thanks, > Sayamindu > I have memories of this working this way so that the layout switching works. Bernie? - Jim -- Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are trying to finalize the Turkish keyboard and I would like to get > any last minute opinions or thoughts. A number of people have already > provided their input -- THANKS! > > Please see the updated "Q" keyboard layout for Turkey: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkish_Keyboard > > If anyone can provide the xkb file, that would be great! > We could also use some help with Turkish translations. > Thanks Gary for catching the missing 'V' in the earlier version of the > Q keyboard. > Symbol file attached. The Manufacturing data page shows that for the Turkish machines, the KL tag should be set to us,tr. Do we need this ? From what I understand, the KL tag being set to tr only should do the trick. I'm not sure about the workflow for adding new keyboards - do I add the relevant changes to xkeyboard-config and start a build in Koji ? Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] tr Description: Binary data ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
I'll take care of the XKB file. Thanks, Sayamindu On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are trying to finalize the Turkish keyboard and I would like to get > any last minute opinions or thoughts. A number of people have already > provided their input -- THANKS! > > Please see the updated "Q" keyboard layout for Turkey: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkish_Keyboard > > If anyone can provide the xkb file, that would be great! > We could also use some help with Turkish translations. > Thanks Gary for catching the missing 'V' in the earlier version of the > Q keyboard. > > Thanks, > Kim > > On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks for the notes, Gary. >> >> Kim >> >> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Kim, >>> >>> Just to follow up my previous email, I've heard back from the family >>> members I have in Turkey and they confirmed they use the Q layout and >>> described the main differences in text: >>> >>>The keyboard we have here has a silent "g" on the top right hand >>> side, a "u" with dots on the top on the top right hand side, an "s" with a >>> squiggle underneath on the middle row right hand side, and an "i" with a dot >>> on the top on the middle right hand side. Also an "o" with two dots on the >>> bottom right hand side, and a "c" with a squiggle underneath on the bottom >>> right hand side. >>> >>> Hope that's of some help. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> >>> On 7 May 2008, at 04:28, Kim Quirk wrote: >>> We're looking for some help on the Turkey keyboard layout. Attached is an image of the 'Q' layout for Turkey. Can anyone verify the details of this layout? Bernie, Arjun, Can either of you create this alternate Turkey keyboard wiki page and help figure out what needs to be done for SW support? Thanks, Kim >>> >>> >> >> > -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
I accidentally sent this to one person last time. Sorry. Here it is for everybody. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're looking for some help on the Turkey keyboard layout. Attached is an > image of the 'Q' layout for Turkey. Can anyone verify the details of this > layout? > > Bernie, Arjun, > Can either of you create this alternate Turkey keyboard wiki page and help > figure out what needs to be done for SW support? > > Thanks, > Kim The default Turkish keyboard layout in Ubuntu is Q. Have these problems been fixed? If so, someone should fix the following text on the Turkish language page. Turkish localization presents severe problems for Sugar because Sugar is written in the Python programming language. In the Python programming language, case conversion is not locale-specific. This prevents correct handling of these characters: i, I, ı, İ. (the dot is treated much like a typical European accent, being neither added nor removed during case conversion) Currently the Turkish locale settings make Sugar immediately crash. Even if this were fixed, Turkish text would still be mangled during case conversion. -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
looks right as far as the alphanumerics go. 2008/5/6 Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > We're looking for some help on the Turkey keyboard layout. Attached is an > image of the 'Q' layout for Turkey. Can anyone verify the details of this > layout? > > Bernie, Arjun, > Can either of you create this alternate Turkey keyboard wiki page and help > figure out what needs to be done for SW support? > > Thanks, > Kim > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> 2008/4/21 Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > Thanks Walter, >> > Does this mean you have approved Uzbec, Pashto, French Canadian, and >> Kazakh? >> >> We don't have localization projects for Uzbek or Kazakh. Should we start >> them? >> >> Looking at the table, I also see Armenian, for which there is no >> localization. Should we start it? >> >> Also, the table specifies a Russian Cyrillic keyboard for Ukrainian, >> which is a serious error. >> >> "Note that many langauge/region variants can share a common keyboard, >> e.g., Russian (ru_RU) and Ukrainian (uk_UA) both use the Cyrillic >> keyboard, but will need different SKUs to accommodate the different >> language settings on the laptop." >> >> Not so. Ukrainian requires the letters >> >> Ї U+0407 >> ї U+0457 >> Ґ U+0490 >> ґ U+0491 >> >> which don't occur in Russian. See the ua keyboard file. >> >> > I am aware of the need for final approval of Italian, Khmer, and Nepali. >> > Quanta is sending these keyboards to OLPC this week. >> > >> > In the past when Quanta sends a first article for approval, do we need >> to >> > match that up against the design from the wiki page? Or do you recommend >> > some other step(s) for final approval? >> >> How about consulting with national standards bodies and Unicode? I can >> put you in touch with people who know way more about these issues than >> anybody here. >> >> > Thanks, >> > Kim >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Walter Bender < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> > > Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest >> > > of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close >> > > contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the >> > > time, they were advocating the F layout. It would certainly be easy >> > > enough to do a Q layout. >> > > >> > > -walter >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > Walter, >> > > > Can you provide the state of the keyboards that have no note in the >> > table: >> > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mfg-data >> > > > >> > > > I have been assuming that this is the table that is most up to date. >> If >> > > > there is no note in saying 'not yet approved', does that mean they >> have >> > been >> > > > through the entire approval cycle? Did you get a physical sample of >> each >> > of >> > > > these? >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > Kim >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Bernie Innocenti < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > [Sorry for this flood of Turkish related topics. It's only >> > > > > because I'm working from Turkey -- Captain Obvious] >> > > > > >> > > > > There seem to be two different keyboard layouts for Tukey, >> > > > > the F layout and the Q layout, named after the leftmost key >> > > > > of the top row. >> > > > > >> > > > > >From our wiki and our X11 keyboard file, we seem to have >> > > > > picked the F layout: >> > > > > >> > > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkey_Keyboard >> > > > > >> > > > > But here everybody is telling me that the Q layout is the most >> > > > > widely used and the favorite. All the computers I see around >> > > > > me use this layout. >> > > > > >> > > > > Are we still in time to change the this in production? >> > > > > >> > > > > This seems to be yet another case where a country-specific >> > > > > build would be absolutely required, regardless of our planned >> > > > > release cycle. Obviously we'll get more and more of these >> > > > > cases as we deploy to a wider range of countries. So this >> > > > > seems like a good time to discuss how to have per-country >> > > > > builds released in parallel with ease. >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > \___/ >> > > > > |___| Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ >> > > > > \___\ CTO OLPC Europe - http://www.laptop.org/ >> > > > > >> > > > > ___ >> > > > > Devel mailing list >> > > > > Devel@lists.laptop.org >> > > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Devel mailing list >> > Devel@lists.laptop.org >> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Edward Cherlin >> End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business >> http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ >> "The best way to pr
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kim Quirk wrote: > > > We're looking for some help on the Turkey keyboard layout. Attached is an > image of the 'Q' layout for Turkey. Can anyone verify the details of this > layout? > > > > Looks like the correct one. I could forward it to our supporters in > Turkey and ask their opinion. > > > > > > Bernie, Arjun, > > Can either of you create this alternate Turkey keyboard wiki page and help > figure out what needs to be done for SW support? > > I can help here, but in a few days time just after my exams get over. > > I made a small one line change in Turkey to switch from the F to the > Q layout. > > I will apply it once I get back from them. Unless Arjun would like > to do it, of course. I'll keep you on Cc. Bernie, Just wondering, even if we make the change, where will it go ? I don't think Update.1 is still open to such changes. So perhaps submit on xkeyboard-config upstream because we anyway planned to sync with upstream branch after Update.1? Also, will the build for Turkey pull from xkeyboard-config upstream ? thanks, Arjun > > -- > \___/ > _| o | Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ > \|_X_| "It's an education project, not a laptop project!" > -- Arjun Sarwal http://dev.laptop.org/~arjs ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
Arjun Sarwal wrote: >> I made a small one line change in Turkey to switch from the F to the >> Q layout. >> >> I will apply it once I get back from them. Unless Arjun would like >> to do it, of course. I'll keep you on Cc. > > Bernie, > Just wondering, even if we make the change, where will it go ? I don't > think Update.1 is still open to such changes. So perhaps submit on > xkeyboard-config upstream because we anyway planned to sync with > upstream branch after Update.1? Also, will the build for Turkey pull > from xkeyboard-config upstream ? I think we should think something like the custom build for Italy. As inconvenient as it may seem, it's the only way for olpc to desynchronize the big development cycle from these customer-specific customizations that need to be done quickly, and require relatively little time to do. ---WAR STORY--- Some time ago, I had a customer which did POS software for gas stations in several countries for several customers such as Exxon, BP... An almost N*M customization grid! They would develop new features such as "camera monitoring" or "support combo discounts" on a main development tree with time based releases. Then they had customization branches for each deployment (such as Shell in Cyprus or AGIP in Italy). They tried to keep local customizations to a minimum of course, and they would try to address recurring things with configuration parameters. This scheme had a major flaw: each of these deployments (projects in their jargon) had its own separate project manager and budget. Each PM was encouraged to do things quickly and economically. And since making changes right on the branches would save them some overhead for merging and backporting, they'd effectively fork way too much and never merge changes back. As can easily be seen, this would multiply engineering costs. ---END OF WAR STORY--- If we are smart enough to avoid this epilogue, I see no problem in creating small custom releases for each country, and even encourage them to maintain these. -- \___/ _| o | Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \|_X_| "It's an education project, not a laptop project!" ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
Kim Quirk wrote: > We're looking for some help on the Turkey keyboard layout. Attached is > an image of the 'Q' layout for Turkey. Can anyone verify the details of > this layout? Looks like the correct one. I could forward it to our supporters in Turkey and ask their opinion. > Bernie, Arjun, > Can either of you create this alternate Turkey keyboard wiki page and > help figure out what needs to be done for SW support? I made a small one line change in Turkey to switch from the F to the Q layout. I will apply it once I get back from them. Unless Arjun would like to do it, of course. I'll keep you on Cc. -- \___/ _| o | Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \|_X_| "It's an education project, not a laptop project!" ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
2008/4/21 Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thanks Walter, > Does this mean you have approved Uzbec, Pashto, French Canadian, and Kazakh? We don't have localization projects for Uzbek or Kazakh. Should we start them? Looking at the table, I also see Armenian, for which there is no localization. Should we start it? Also, the table specifies a Russian Cyrillic keyboard for Ukrainian, which is a serious error. "Note that many langauge/region variants can share a common keyboard, e.g., Russian (ru_RU) and Ukrainian (uk_UA) both use the Cyrillic keyboard, but will need different SKUs to accommodate the different language settings on the laptop." Not so. Ukrainian requires the letters Ї U+0407 ї U+0457 Ґ U+0490 ґ U+0491 which don't occur in Russian. See the ua keyboard file. > I am aware of the need for final approval of Italian, Khmer, and Nepali. > Quanta is sending these keyboards to OLPC this week. > > In the past when Quanta sends a first article for approval, do we need to > match that up against the design from the wiki page? Or do you recommend > some other step(s) for final approval? How about consulting with national standards bodies and Unicode? I can put you in touch with people who know way more about these issues than anybody here. > Thanks, > Kim > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest > > of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close > > contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the > > time, they were advocating the F layout. It would certainly be easy > > enough to do a Q layout. > > > > -walter > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Walter, > > > Can you provide the state of the keyboards that have no note in the > table: > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mfg-data > > > > > > I have been assuming that this is the table that is most up to date. If > > > there is no note in saying 'not yet approved', does that mean they have > been > > > through the entire approval cycle? Did you get a physical sample of each > of > > > these? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Sorry for this flood of Turkish related topics. It's only > > > > because I'm working from Turkey -- Captain Obvious] > > > > > > > > There seem to be two different keyboard layouts for Tukey, > > > > the F layout and the Q layout, named after the leftmost key > > > > of the top row. > > > > > > > > >From our wiki and our X11 keyboard file, we seem to have > > > > picked the F layout: > > > > > > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkey_Keyboard > > > > > > > > But here everybody is telling me that the Q layout is the most > > > > widely used and the favorite. All the computers I see around > > > > me use this layout. > > > > > > > > Are we still in time to change the this in production? > > > > > > > > This seems to be yet another case where a country-specific > > > > build would be absolutely required, regardless of our planned > > > > release cycle. Obviously we'll get more and more of these > > > > cases as we deploy to a wider range of countries. So this > > > > seems like a good time to discuss how to have per-country > > > > builds released in parallel with ease. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > \___/ > > > > |___| Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ > > > > \___\ CTO OLPC Europe - http://www.laptop.org/ > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Devel mailing list > > > > Devel@lists.laptop.org > > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest > of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close > contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the > time, they were advocating the F layout. It would certainly be easy > enough to do a Q layout. The Q keyboard is the default layout for Turkish in Ubuntu. Are we going to be able to supply Kurdish and Armenian keyboards to Turkey? I would expect the government to object. > -walter You have done a number of layouts, so can you tell us whether the modifications for the XO form a consistent pattern that we could apply in a more automated way? Or do you have to wrestle with details in adapting different layouts? -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Walter Bender wrote: > > > Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest > > of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close > > contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the > > time, they were advocating the F layout. It would certainly be easy > > enough to do a Q layout. > > > > I asked a second time and they again confirmed that the only layout > they know about and use is the Q one. One of them even asked me if > this F thing perhaps comes from another European country :-) > > This particular deployment is specific to the city of Istanbul, > so we definitely need to design and manufacture the Q layout in > this case, regardless of whether there are other areas of Turkey > where the F layout is preferred. > > Is there someone already assigned to follow the ongoings of this > deployment? So I can relay all the information I'm collecting > here and make sure it doesn't get lost. > I could volunteer to help in this regard. As for keyboard layouts, I've been involved for some time in keyboard layouts and xkb mappings and somewhat related X hacking and submitting patches upstream for various OLPC keyboard layouts; and as for general feedback, I've already been trying to do it from pilot(s) in India as much as time has permitted me till now... regards, Arjun > -- > \___/ > |___|Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ > > >\___\ CTO OLPC Europe - http://www.laptop.org/ > -- Arjun Sarwal Intern, One Laptop per Child Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: arjs on irc.freenode.net in #olpc, #olpc-health, #sugar ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
Walter Bender wrote: > Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest > of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close > contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the > time, they were advocating the F layout. It would certainly be easy > enough to do a Q layout. I asked a second time and they again confirmed that the only layout they know about and use is the Q one. One of them even asked me if this F thing perhaps comes from another European country :-) This particular deployment is specific to the city of Istanbul, so we definitely need to design and manufacture the Q layout in this case, regardless of whether there are other areas of Turkey where the F layout is preferred. Is there someone already assigned to follow the ongoings of this deployment? So I can relay all the information I'm collecting here and make sure it doesn't get lost. -- \___/ |___|Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ CTO OLPC Europe - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
Thanks Walter, Does this mean you have approved Uzbec, Pashto, French Canadian, and Kazakh? I am aware of the need for final approval of Italian, Khmer, and Napali. Quanta is sending these keyboards to OLPC this week. In the past when Quanta sends a first article for approval, do we need to match that up against the design from the wiki page? Or do you recommend some other step(s) for final approval? Thanks, Kim On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest > of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close > contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the > time, they were advocating the F layout. It would certainly be easy > enough to do a Q layout. > > -walter > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Walter, > > Can you provide the state of the keyboards that have no note in the > table: > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mfg-data > > > > I have been assuming that this is the table that is most up to date. If > > there is no note in saying 'not yet approved', does that mean they have > been > > through the entire approval cycle? Did you get a physical sample of each > of > > these? > > > > Thanks, > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > [Sorry for this flood of Turkish related topics. It's only > > > because I'm working from Turkey -- Captain Obvious] > > > > > > There seem to be two different keyboard layouts for Tukey, > > > the F layout and the Q layout, named after the leftmost key > > > of the top row. > > > > > > >From our wiki and our X11 keyboard file, we seem to have > > > picked the F layout: > > > > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkey_Keyboard > > > > > > But here everybody is telling me that the Q layout is the most > > > widely used and the favorite. All the computers I see around > > > me use this layout. > > > > > > Are we still in time to change the this in production? > > > > > > This seems to be yet another case where a country-specific > > > build would be absolutely required, regardless of our planned > > > release cycle. Obviously we'll get more and more of these > > > cases as we deploy to a wider range of countries. So this > > > seems like a good time to discuss how to have per-country > > > builds released in parallel with ease. > > > > > > -- > > > \___/ > > > |___| Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ > > > \___\ CTO OLPC Europe - http://www.laptop.org/ > > > > > > ___ > > > Devel mailing list > > > Devel@lists.laptop.org > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > > > > > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the time, they were advocating the F layout. It would certainly be easy enough to do a Q layout. -walter On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Walter, > Can you provide the state of the keyboards that have no note in the table: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mfg-data > > I have been assuming that this is the table that is most up to date. If > there is no note in saying 'not yet approved', does that mean they have been > through the entire approval cycle? Did you get a physical sample of each of > these? > > Thanks, > Kim > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > [Sorry for this flood of Turkish related topics. It's only > > because I'm working from Turkey -- Captain Obvious] > > > > There seem to be two different keyboard layouts for Tukey, > > the F layout and the Q layout, named after the leftmost key > > of the top row. > > > > >From our wiki and our X11 keyboard file, we seem to have > > picked the F layout: > > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkey_Keyboard > > > > But here everybody is telling me that the Q layout is the most > > widely used and the favorite. All the computers I see around > > me use this layout. > > > > Are we still in time to change the this in production? > > > > This seems to be yet another case where a country-specific > > build would be absolutely required, regardless of our planned > > release cycle. Obviously we'll get more and more of these > > cases as we deploy to a wider range of countries. So this > > seems like a good time to discuss how to have per-country > > builds released in parallel with ease. > > > > -- > > \___/ > > |___| Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ > > \___\ CTO OLPC Europe - http://www.laptop.org/ > > > > ___ > > Devel mailing list > > Devel@lists.laptop.org > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turkish keyboard layout
Walter, Can you provide the state of the keyboards that have no note in the table: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mfg-data I have been assuming that this is the table that is most up to date. If there is no note in saying 'not yet approved', does that mean they have been through the entire approval cycle? Did you get a physical sample of each of these? Thanks, Kim On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Sorry for this flood of Turkish related topics. It's only > because I'm working from Turkey -- Captain Obvious] > > There seem to be two different keyboard layouts for Tukey, > the F layout and the Q layout, named after the leftmost key > of the top row. > > >From our wiki and our X11 keyboard file, we seem to have > picked the F layout: > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkey_Keyboard > > But here everybody is telling me that the Q layout is the most > widely used and the favorite. All the computers I see around > me use this layout. > > Are we still in time to change the this in production? > > This seems to be yet another case where a country-specific > build would be absolutely required, regardless of our planned > release cycle. Obviously we'll get more and more of these > cases as we deploy to a wider range of countries. So this > seems like a good time to discuss how to have per-country > builds released in parallel with ease. > > -- > \___/ > |___| Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ > \___\ CTO OLPC Europe - http://www.laptop.org/ > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Turkish keyboard layout
[Sorry for this flood of Turkish related topics. It's only because I'm working from Turkey -- Captain Obvious] There seem to be two different keyboard layouts for Tukey, the F layout and the Q layout, named after the leftmost key of the top row. >From our wiki and our X11 keyboard file, we seem to have picked the F layout: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkey_Keyboard But here everybody is telling me that the Q layout is the most widely used and the favorite. All the computers I see around me use this layout. Are we still in time to change the this in production? This seems to be yet another case where a country-specific build would be absolutely required, regardless of our planned release cycle. Obviously we'll get more and more of these cases as we deploy to a wider range of countries. So this seems like a good time to discuss how to have per-country builds released in parallel with ease. -- \___/ |___| Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ CTO OLPC Europe - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
