Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-03 Thread Hal Murray
> Yup. They will always have the problem. My point was that if you see > a WRT54G (as opposed to the WRT54GL), you have to dig deeper to figure > out if they can run OpenWRT or not. Some can; some cannot A simple rule of thumb. Recent units can't. > Nothing like changing hardware in a si

RE: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-03 Thread Ronak Chokshi
l Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:devel- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Gettys > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:38 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: OLPC Developer's List > Subject: Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing > > > On M

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-03 Thread Jim Gettys
On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 10:22 -0800, Javier Cardona wrote: > Jim, > > On 3/3/08, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > These were WRT54GL's running OpenWRT, just to ask the exact > > configuration? > > Not sure if it was a WRT54G or WRT54GL, but I'm certain that it was > running the original

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-03 Thread Ricardo Carrano
I believe it is a WRT54Gv8 model (which, btw has not enough memory to run some of the openwrt variants around). It is brand new AP (bought it at BestBuy) with stock LInksys firmware. It is still at 1cc (I brought another (same model) with me so not to disturb the tests in place). On Mon, Mar 3, 2

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-03 Thread Javier Cardona
Jim, On 3/3/08, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These were WRT54GL's running OpenWRT, just to ask the exact > configuration? Not sure if it was a WRT54G or WRT54GL, but I'm certain that it was running the original Linksys firmware. Javier -- Javier Cardona cozybit Inc. ___

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-03 Thread Paul Fox
jim wrote: > These were WRT54GL's running OpenWRT, just to ask the exact > configuration? > > Note that (the last I heard) some of the newer WRT54G's have too little > RAM to run OpenWRT, which is why the WRT54GL model was introduced, IIRC. i just searched the openwrt site to confirm that wh

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-03 Thread Jim Gettys
These were WRT54GL's running OpenWRT, just to ask the exact configuration? Note that (the last I heard) some of the newer WRT54G's have too little RAM to run OpenWRT, which is why the WRT54GL model was introduced, IIRC. - Jim On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 16:47 +1030, Kim Ha

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-02 Thread Kim Hawtin
Javier Cardona wrote: > What I recall is 50% duty cycle and a channel grade of 22/100. The > channel grade takes into account not only the duty cycle but also the > noise floor. > I did not re-check those numbers after turning the AP off, but there > was a drastic improvement of the channel energy

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread Javier Cardona
John, On 3/1/08, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was told that 17 laptops were associated on Friday, w. lots of > bandwidth left over. > > Question 1: What is "lots of bandwidth" ? CSMC networks don't work > well past around 50 - 60% of available bandwidth... What I recall

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread John Watlington
I was told that 17 laptops were associated on Friday, w. lots of bandwidth left over. Question 1: What is "lots of bandwidth" ? CSMC networks don't work well past around 50 - 60% of available bandwidth... Question 2: Did this bandwidth measurement include the relayed WDS frames ? wad

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread John Watlington
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Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread Sameer Verma
Javier Cardona wrote: > Kim, Michail, > > The conclusion to all of this is that we should not use WRT54G in > deployments, regardless of whether mesh is used or not (in fact, if we > *only* use mesh we don't have this problem as the AP ignores mesh > multicast traffic now). The WRT54G will forward

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread Michail Bletsas
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Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread Kim Quirk
Was anyone able to get a test with a different AP? We were only able to associate something like 20 laptops on Fri. Do we believe it should be 30 or more? Kim On 3/1/08, Javier Cardona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kim, Michail, > > The conclusion to all of this is that we should not use WRT54

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread Javier Cardona
Kim, Michail, The conclusion to all of this is that we should not use WRT54G in deployments, regardless of whether mesh is used or not (in fact, if we *only* use mesh we don't have this problem as the AP ignores mesh multicast traffic now). The WRT54G will forward multicast traffic to all other A

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread Javier Cardona
Ricardo, > - The access point Javier mentions is the one I bought yesterday (Linksys > WRT54G) Agreed, yes: 35 00:1d:7e:44:ce:6e Broadcast Beacon frame,SSID: "linksys" > - Most of this traffic is retransmission (3606): > (wlan.fc.ds == 3 and wlan.sa[0-2] == 00:17:C4 and wlan.ta[4-5] == ce:6e) &

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread Ricardo Carrano
(last version was incomplete): Just to add that: - The access point Javier mentions is the one I bought yesterday (Linksys WRT54G) - Most of this traffic is retransmission (3606): (wlan.fc.ds == 3 and wlan.sa[0-2] == 00:17:C4 and wlan.ta[4-5] == ce:6e) && (wlan.fc.retry == 1) - It is also inter

Re: WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread Ricardo Carrano
Just to add that: - The access point Javier mentions is the one I bought yesterday (Linksys WRT54G) - Most of this traffic is retransmission (3606): (wlan.fc.ds == 3 and wlan.sa[0-2] == 00:17:C4 and wlan.ta[4-5] == ce:6e) && (wlan.fc.retry == 1) - It is also interesting to detect other wds peers

WDS problems observed in today's testing

2008-03-01 Thread Javier Cardona
Michail, Chris, This afternoon I captured some traffic while Chris was running tests for Peru. The test setup consisted on ~25 laptops associated to a WRT54 access point. When the laptops were on, associated and (not sure about this) idle, we observed a high volume of wireless traffic. The spec