On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:25 AM, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:
By my judgment, I'm glad Richard Stallman isn't running OLPC. He would
have delayed the launch until we have a GPL'd replacement for the mesh
firmware. As it is now, we have a laptop which is more pure license-
wise
than any other
Edward Cherlin wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Tom Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Torello Querci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If is possible to use normal windows
On 22 Apr 2008, at 22:52, Aaron Konstam wrote:
How may developers want to shift to developing for an XP based, rather
than a sugar based , platform?
stirs
How many developers want to shift to developing for a constructivist
language, rather than having to make an agonizing choice between a
Mitch Bradley wrote:
But in the steady
state, the
web is the high-order bit, sufficient to qualify as education in and of
itself.
Well ... it *was* at one time -- a university library made up of
electrons. But in my mind, that was long ago in a galaxy far away. Oh,
sure, you can still
Walter Bender wrote:
First of all, just to clear, Flash does run on the laptop: there is a
choice of both the Adobe Flash player and the FOSS Flash player,
Gnash. We opted to install the Gnash player by default. Many of the
problems people have with Flash are actually related to codecs rather
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Walter Bender wrote:
First of all, just to clear, Flash does run on the laptop: there is a
choice of both the Adobe Flash player and the FOSS Flash player,
Gnash. We opted to install the Gnash player by default.
With a lot of friends we are create a legal association called OLPC Italia
to allow the Italian citizens to buy OLPC using G1G1.
For us the most important thing is the Educational Project but sell the XO
with XP is not an educational project.
We accept Sugar as core of the user interface but
Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Second, regarding Microsoft, I agree that if it is to be an open
platform, it should be open to everyone, including Microsoft. That
said, it is somewhat revisionist to suggest that the SD card was added
on behalf of Microsoft
Such statements certainly
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Jonathan Corbet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Second, regarding Microsoft, I agree that if it is to be an open
platform, it should be open to everyone, including Microsoft. That
said, it is somewhat revisionist to
up to now has been minimal.
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From: Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: devel-list devel@lists.laptop.org
Subject: Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:28:46 -0700
The OLPC Association has done amazing things with limited resources
Between Walter Bender, who practically lives at 1cc and has been part of the
entire development, and NN, who by all accounts is rarely in his office at
1cc, I say that the SD was just an offshoot of the ASIC chip.
Besides that's what what I've heard everyone else at OLPC say. NN also said
that
Considering the complete sentence, it is clear to me that this is a
case of the reporter being confused by technology. We all know that
Sugar could never run on Windows as well it as can run on Linux. The
laptop might run Windows or Linux or both, but not Sugar on Windows.
Do we all know
I certainly don't know enough about Windows to be able to answer your
question from the technical perspective. I do know that to launch an
effort to port to Windows will require resources above and beyond what
are currently available. Is that the best use of resources? There is
an argue to suggest
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would suggest that you don't really understand the reason for
supporting open source. No software running on top of XP, for example,
will free of the pressures form MS to do what they want you to do. And
what they
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I certainly don't know enough about Windows to be able to answer your
question from the technical perspective. I do know that to launch an
effort to port to Windows will require resources above and beyond what
are
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 05:37:08PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
I certainly don't know enough about Windows to be able to answer your
question from the technical perspective.
As a former Windows developer (using both proprietary APIs and Free
APIs), I'm very confident that the collaborative
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Torello Querci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If is possible to use normal windows application on top Sugar+Windows the
educational project is broken because the developers what need to
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 09:09:13PM -0400, Tom Hoffman wrote:
Given that this would make Sugar accessible to millions of children
around the world already using Windows, I can't see how this would be
a bad thing. On the other hand, I can't see how either OLPC or
Microsoft has much motivation
To spell it out, Windows + Sugar is the Trojan Horse. However, we are
secretly filling up the Trojan Horse with free software. In other
words, the free software community are the Greek warriors. The idea is
that slightly indiscriminate decision makers (the Trojans) will buy our
Trojan
I always forget that when I reply the message does not go to the list.
On the support-gang list there is quite a bit of discouragement over
Walter leaving because Negroponte has decided to go the XP route with
the XO. And he is in talks with MS$ to get a version of XP to run on the
XO.
How may
On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote:
Who says Negroponte is shifting? Certainly not Walter in any of his
public posts. Can't happen. We would all be out of here like a shot
to fork Sugar. Nicholas is weird, but not utterly stupid.
Eventually, Negroponte added, Windows might be
The OLPC Association has done amazing things with limited resources and
deserves to take great pride in this. However, this Negroponte quotation
from the article seems correct to me:
He lamented that an overriding insistence on open-source had hampered the
XOs, saying Sugar grew amorphously and
On 22.04.2008 23:25, Edward Cherlin wrote:
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I always forget that when I reply the message does not go to the list.
On the support-gang list there is quite a bit of discouragement over
Walter leaving because Negroponte
In brief,
As Peruvian collaborator and open source developer, the issue of the
departure of Walter and rumors about Windows XP really worry me. In Peru
there are those who have worked with politicians and authorities speaks
about the freedoms that the OLPC / XO means, may lose that?
We need
On 22.04.2008 23:29, Ivan Krstić wrote:
On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote:
Who says Negroponte is shifting? Certainly not Walter in any of his
public posts. Can't happen. We would all be out of here like a shot
to fork Sugar. Nicholas is weird, but not utterly stupid.
Eventually, Negroponte added, Windows might be the sole operating
system ... Negroponte said he was mainly concerned with putting as
many laptops as possible in children's hands.
..and credit cards with huge overdrafts for all. so this project IS
about the colonization of minds and expanding
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 03:52:35PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
I always forget that when I reply the message does not go to the list.
On the support-gang list there is quite a bit of discouragement over
Walter leaving because Negroponte has decided to go the XP route with
the XO. And he is in
On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
It confirms that this has become a
pure laptop project and not an education project as the official
mission
states (stated?). Giving laptops to children is not an education
project, it's giving laptops to children.
Which is why I
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 05:29:58PM -0400, Ivan Krstić wrote:
Eventually, Negroponte added, Windows might be the sole operating
system ... Negroponte said he was mainly concerned with putting as
many laptops as possible in children's hands.
-- via Associated Press
On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:
The laptop might run Windows or Linux or both, but not Sugar on
Windows.
That's not accurate.
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 07:29:22PM -0400, Ivan Krstić wrote:
On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:
The laptop might run Windows or Linux or both, but not Sugar on
Windows.
That's not accurate.
Care to elaborate? Suppose Sugar was running on Windows. What's the
benefit? Why
First of all, just to clear, Flash does run on the laptop: there is a
choice of both the Adobe Flash player and the FOSS Flash player,
Gnash. We opted to install the Gnash player by default. Many of the
problems people have with Flash are actually related to codecs rather
than the player itself.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:25:12 -0700
Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 05:29:58PM -0400, Ivan Krstić wrote:
Eventually, Negroponte added, Windows might be the sole operating
system ... Negroponte said he was mainly concerned with putting as
many laptops
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 08:00:06PM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:25:12 -0700
Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At least Ivan quoted this part properly: Negroponte said he was mainly
concerned with putting as many laptops as possible in children's hands.
I
I know quite a few children in the US who benefit from laptops running a
proprietary stack.
Web access is the core capability that transforms the computer from a
convenience to a near necessity.
Before the web, most people in developed countries had computers at work
for doing Office
stuff,
I am not sure what you are driving at Mitch: web browsers are
available to fundamentalists of both camps. Are you suggesting that a
proprietary browser will reach more children more quickly?
-walter
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know quite a few
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Suppose, as a thought experiment, that someone were to propose giving
every child in the world
a device that could do nothing but access the web. Would you consider
that a positive
educational step?
It would be
Mitch Bradley wrote:
I know quite a few children in the US who benefit from laptops running a
proprietary stack.
Web access is the core capability that transforms the computer from a
convenience to a near necessity.
Before the web, most people in developed countries had computers at work
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:28:20 -1000
Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Suppose, as a thought experiment, that someone were to propose giving
every child in the world
a device that could do nothing but access the web. Would you consider
that a positive
educational step?
I
No, I'm saying that giving laptops to all the world's children is a Good
Thing,
and worthy of being called an education project, even if they don't
have the
world's friendliest UI or free software. And the reason for that is because
the web is so immensely valuable.
The laptops are even more
Mitch Bradley wrote:
No, I'm saying that giving laptops to all the world's children is a Good
Thing,
and worthy of being called an education project, even if they don't
have the
world's friendliest UI or free software. And the reason for that is because
the web is so immensely valuable.
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The laptops are even more wonderful with a child-friendly UI, loads of fun
activities, and a non-proprietary software stack. But in the steady
state, the
web is the high-order bit, sufficient to qualify as education
Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
Mitch Bradley wrote:
No, I'm saying that giving laptops to all the world's children is a
Good Thing,
and worthy of being called an education project, even if they don't
have the
world's friendliest UI or free software. And the reason for that is
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Ivan Krstić
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote:
Who says Negroponte is shifting? Certainly not Walter in any of his
public posts. Can't happen. We would all be out of here like a shot to
fork Sugar. Nicholas is
On 23.04.2008 03:09, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The laptops are even more wonderful with a child-friendly UI, loads of fun
activities, and a non-proprietary software stack. But in the steady
state, the
web is the
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 23.04.2008 03:09, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
In theory, mesh networking is a feature of the wireless firmware and
should work fine regardless of operating system choice.
In practice, this is manifestly not the
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:44:43AM +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
The big problem is that most people see this as a Linux+Sugar vs.
Windows decision.
Presently, I'm not very concerned by the role that Windows plays in
OLPC's aims -- there's plenty of stuff to learn from and through
Hi all!
This is Spiky, Japanese volunteer.
Reading through whole the discussion on Suger v.s. Windows,
(or whatever)
what I'm so afraid of is there's no discussion from the aspect of
the very root principle of OLPC, that is,
Learning learning or constructionism theory with which OLPC is
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