Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-12 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Installed 698 (using 'olpc-update' from Joyride). There was __no__ Terminal activity anywhere (that I could find) in the newly installed 698 image. I happen to *require* using the command line to set my environment. After boot, had to use a console terminal just to see what was what.

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Installed 698 (using 'olpc-update' from Joyride). There was __no__ Terminal activity anywhere (that I could find) in the newly installed 698 image. Yes, sorry, things have slightly fallen through the cracks. The

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Terminal, Log Viewer, and Analyze are not included in the core build, but they *are* included in the core *library*. That is, you can always install them, even though they may not show up by default in the toolbar. I did not realize that - your answer settles my concern (i.e., that a user

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terminal, Log Viewer, and Analyze are not included in the core build, but they *are* included in the core *library*. That is, you can always install them, even though they may not show up by default in the

Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-06 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Was not aware of the implications of the official builds from now on will contain only _base_ Activities (discussed in Ticket #6598), until I saw a recent post to the Sugar list. I happen to be a heavy CLI user. It appears the target countries for OLPC deployment have not insisted on CLI -

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was not aware of the implications of the official builds from now on will contain only _base_ Activities (discussed in Ticket #6598), until I saw a recent post to the Sugar list. I happen to be a heavy CLI user. It

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was not aware of the implications of the official builds from now on will contain only _base_ Activities (discussed in Ticket #6598),

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-06 Thread Eben Eliason
Yes, this was one of the aspects we like about the new design. Your suggestion reinforces the whole intent of the two views within Home. Regardless, we likely want to retain their presence within the Library so that kids can manage (including deletion of) activities without winding up entirely

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-06 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Mar 6, 2008, at 8:48 PM, Walter Bender wrote: We cannot ship laptops with learning tools, of which the terminal is one. ITYM without? :) -- Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://radian.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This whole discussion has gone awry. The presumed core activities had better be about streamlining the build engineering process, not the epistemological goals of the project. We cannot ship laptops with[out] learning

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-06 Thread John Gilmore
Terminal, Log Viewer, and Analyze are not included in the core build, but they *are* included in the core *library*. That is, you can always install them, even though they may not show up by default in the toolbar. Why would we burn up Flash space for activities that are not accessible

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-06 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:22 PM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would we burn up Flash space for activities that are not accessible to the user?* And if the user installs them, then they burn up twice as much flash space? Taking up twice as much flash space is painful. Having a