RE: XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal
OK thanks James. For this project the only option is to delete the Spanish Wikipedia and educate good Journal management - and how to install/erase activities. A bit disappointing for the sponsor to have been shipped these (only a month or so ago), I must say. David -Original Message- From: qu...@us.netrek.org [mailto:qu...@us.netrek.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2013 12:55 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'OLPC Devel' Subject: Re: XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal You can tell the size of each activity roughly like this, in Terminal, cd Activities du -s * | sort -n This gives a list by activity, measured in 1k blocks. The sizes of the activities in 13.2.0 ends with: 2836Chat.activity 2888Welcome.activity 3032Memorize.activity 3204Physics.activity 3408TypingTurtle.activity 3664Calculate.activity 3836Pippy.activity 4088InfoSlicer.activity 7956MusicKeyboard.activity 12300 Help.activity 12752 TurtleBlocks.activity 15264 TamTamEdit.activity 21264 Speak.activity 62560 Scratch.activity 114556 Wikipedia.activity 116888 WikipediaEN.activity Note the _two_ Wikipedia activities of around 100 MB. One is Spanish, the other is English. You should consider whether your deployment needs both language versions of the Wikipedia activity. Yes, another option is to buy 4 GB or 8 GB microSD cards and open each laptop to install them. But there's a small risk of them not working with the firmware ... we made sure the ones we used in manufacturing did work. I haven't evaluated 13.1.0 or 13.2.0 against a 2 GB size limit sorry. But os885 is 745 MB compressed, and 13.1.0 is 791 MB compressed, and 13.2.0 is 794 MB compressed, so I can't see your problem getting any better without you trimming the build in some way. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:37:49PM +1100, David Leeming wrote: Thanks James. Seems that we got the 2GB version. How can I tell the size of each Activity? Maybe another option is to buy SDRAM cards for them and re-flash with the latest? We need those activities such as Wikipedia. Would you recommend 13.1.0 ? David -Original Message- From: qu...@us.netrek.org [mailto:qu...@us.netrek.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2013 11:50 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'OLPC Devel' Subject: Re: XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal G'day David, Build 885 is OLPC OS 11.3.1. This release predated automatic sizing. Check which build file was used for installing. If the os885.zd2 (2 GB) file was used, then the symptom you report is likely. Check the size of the microSD cards inside the XO-1.5. You can get this information from the firmware banner, or from the operating system. There were three sizes possible; 2 GB, 4 GB and 8 GB. The os885.zd2 would have worked okay with any of these sizes, but the remaining space would not be used. The later releases of OLPC OS, such as 12.1.0 and 13.1.0, automatically use the remaining space. If the microSD cards are only 2 GB in size, then your options are to either: - explain how to remove journal entries to conserve space, - delete activities, or; - remaster the build with a smaller set of activities. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Re (2): XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal
peasth...@shaw.ca said: Some very economical offerings of flash storage are available on eBay, with delivery to your mailbox. If you find a promising choice, buy a minimal order and test. If it works buy more. If it doesn't work, the loss is small. Anybody interested in SD cards or Flash storage should read: On MicroSD Problems http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 I reread it every year or two when something like this comes up to remind me. Round up your opportunities for troubles (maybe a lot) if you are purchasing over eBay. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re (3): XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal
From: Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:30:08 -0700 Round up your opportunities for troubles (maybe a lot) if you are purchasing over eBay. When the structure is enclosed in opaque plastic there is plenty of opportunity for fraud. When shopping on eBay maintain at least the level of wariness that you would have at your local shopping mall. Regards,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 Bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca http://carnot.yi.org/ http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/index.html#Itinerary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal
Hello We have a 200 XO deployment in Solomon Islands sponsored by a bank. I am helping out. Although we were expecting 1.75s, they have been shipped XO 1.5 with Build 885, Sugar 0.94.1 and firmware Q3C07 Out of the box there is very little space in the Journal and it only takes a few days of using the activities or downloads to cause the Journal full popup to appear. Is this the build they should be using? How can we work around this? Thanks for help, David Leeming Solomon Islands www.rurallink.com.sb ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal
G'day David, Build 885 is OLPC OS 11.3.1. This release predated automatic sizing. Check which build file was used for installing. If the os885.zd2 (2 GB) file was used, then the symptom you report is likely. Check the size of the microSD cards inside the XO-1.5. You can get this information from the firmware banner, or from the operating system. There were three sizes possible; 2 GB, 4 GB and 8 GB. The os885.zd2 would have worked okay with any of these sizes, but the remaining space would not be used. The later releases of OLPC OS, such as 12.1.0 and 13.1.0, automatically use the remaining space. If the microSD cards are only 2 GB in size, then your options are to either: - explain how to remove journal entries to conserve space, - delete activities, or; - remaster the build with a smaller set of activities. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal
Thanks James. Seems that we got the 2GB version. How can I tell the size of each Activity? Maybe another option is to buy SDRAM cards for them and re-flash with the latest? We need those activities such as Wikipedia. Would you recommend 13.1.0 ? David -Original Message- From: qu...@us.netrek.org [mailto:qu...@us.netrek.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2013 11:50 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'OLPC Devel' Subject: Re: XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal G'day David, Build 885 is OLPC OS 11.3.1. This release predated automatic sizing. Check which build file was used for installing. If the os885.zd2 (2 GB) file was used, then the symptom you report is likely. Check the size of the microSD cards inside the XO-1.5. You can get this information from the firmware banner, or from the operating system. There were three sizes possible; 2 GB, 4 GB and 8 GB. The os885.zd2 would have worked okay with any of these sizes, but the remaining space would not be used. The later releases of OLPC OS, such as 12.1.0 and 13.1.0, automatically use the remaining space. If the microSD cards are only 2 GB in size, then your options are to either: - explain how to remove journal entries to conserve space, - delete activities, or; - remaster the build with a smaller set of activities. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal
You can tell the size of each activity roughly like this, in Terminal, cd Activities du -s * | sort -n This gives a list by activity, measured in 1k blocks. The sizes of the activities in 13.2.0 ends with: 2836Chat.activity 2888Welcome.activity 3032Memorize.activity 3204Physics.activity 3408TypingTurtle.activity 3664Calculate.activity 3836Pippy.activity 4088InfoSlicer.activity 7956MusicKeyboard.activity 12300 Help.activity 12752 TurtleBlocks.activity 15264 TamTamEdit.activity 21264 Speak.activity 62560 Scratch.activity 114556 Wikipedia.activity 116888 WikipediaEN.activity Note the _two_ Wikipedia activities of around 100 MB. One is Spanish, the other is English. You should consider whether your deployment needs both language versions of the Wikipedia activity. Yes, another option is to buy 4 GB or 8 GB microSD cards and open each laptop to install them. But there's a small risk of them not working with the firmware ... we made sure the ones we used in manufacturing did work. I haven't evaluated 13.1.0 or 13.2.0 against a 2 GB size limit sorry. But os885 is 745 MB compressed, and 13.1.0 is 791 MB compressed, and 13.2.0 is 794 MB compressed, so I can't see your problem getting any better without you trimming the build in some way. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:37:49PM +1100, David Leeming wrote: Thanks James. Seems that we got the 2GB version. How can I tell the size of each Activity? Maybe another option is to buy SDRAM cards for them and re-flash with the latest? We need those activities such as Wikipedia. Would you recommend 13.1.0 ? David -Original Message- From: qu...@us.netrek.org [mailto:qu...@us.netrek.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2013 11:50 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'OLPC Devel' Subject: Re: XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal G'day David, Build 885 is OLPC OS 11.3.1. This release predated automatic sizing. Check which build file was used for installing. If the os885.zd2 (2 GB) file was used, then the symptom you report is likely. Check the size of the microSD cards inside the XO-1.5. You can get this information from the firmware banner, or from the operating system. There were three sizes possible; 2 GB, 4 GB and 8 GB. The os885.zd2 would have worked okay with any of these sizes, but the remaining space would not be used. The later releases of OLPC OS, such as 12.1.0 and 13.1.0, automatically use the remaining space. If the microSD cards are only 2 GB in size, then your options are to either: - explain how to remove journal entries to conserve space, - delete activities, or; - remaster the build with a smaller set of activities. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re (2): XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal
From: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:54:36 +1000 Yes, another option is to buy 4 GB or 8 GB microSD cards and open each laptop to install them. But there's a small risk of them not working with the firmware ... we made sure the ones we used in manufacturing did work. Some very economical offerings of flash storage are available on eBay, with delivery to your mailbox. If you find a promising choice, buy a minimal order and test. If it works buy more. If it doesn't work, the loss is small. Regards, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 Bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca http://carnot.yi.org/ http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/index.html#Itinerary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Re (2): XO-1.5 build 885 no space in journal
On Jun 11, 2013, at 11:17 PM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: From: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:54:36 +1000 Yes, another option is to buy 4 GB or 8 GB microSD cards and open each laptop to install them. But there's a small risk of them not working with the firmware ... we made sure the ones we used in manufacturing did work. Some very economical offerings of flash storage are available on eBay, with delivery to your mailbox. If you find a promising choice, buy a minimal order and test. If it works buy more. If it doesn't work, the loss is small. Absolutely agreed, but as the SD card is the primary storage and schools were worried about kids removing them, it takes sixteen screws to upgrade. Remove the Spanish Wikipedia immediately (I had to do it to run SD tests on that model). The non-sugar UI also consumes space... wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
