Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-25 Thread NoiseEHC
There was a thread about the X driver here: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2007-September/006565.html Because there were much more pressing things to do than rewriting the X driver by Bernardo this project stalled. However it is one of my project ideas on the developer program so

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.05.2008, at 03:41, Jim Gettys wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 17:17 -0700, Alex Belits wrote: Jim Gettys wrote: Bert... Part of the problem is the X driver model is pretty broken, causing much more to be done in software than should be necessary; and it isn't clear we're even

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
John Gilmore wrote: It'll be hard for OLPC to get multi-touch working when for the last 15 months they haven't had the bandwidth to figure out whether the current touchpad can do tap to click (ticket #959). But developers and users of devices built between now and then will write most of the

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Morgan Collett
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Gilmore wrote: It'll be hard for OLPC to get multi-touch working when for the last 15 months they haven't had the bandwidth to figure out whether the current touchpad can do tap to click (ticket #959). But developers

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Alex, That's assuming that non-OLPC developers will have access to hardware before it will be declared ready for deployment. Otherwise it will be like G1G1 -- first batch to outside developers coincides with first mass deployment, then everyone complains that deployment

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, It will be slightly more difficult to write (multi-touch) software for the XO-2 in an emulator or on a regular PC... I wonder if there are (or will be) any third party multi-touch input devices readily available for a similar effect. Multi stylus wacom tablets? The keyboard I

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Morgan Collett
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It will be slightly more difficult to write (multi-touch) software for the XO-2 in an emulator or on a regular PC... I wonder if there are (or will be) any third party multi-touch input devices readily

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
Chris Ball wrote: Hi Alex, That's assuming that non-OLPC developers will have access to hardware before it will be declared ready for deployment. Otherwise it will be like G1G1 -- first batch to outside developers coincides with first mass deployment, then everyone complains

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Eben Eliason
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_program =) - Eben On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Ball wrote: Hi Alex, That's assuming that non-OLPC developers will have access to hardware before it will be declared ready for deployment. Otherwise

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.05.2008, at 04:54, Jim Gettys wrote: On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 19:28 -0400, Andres Salomon wrote: If they put me in charge, I'd choose whichever CPU had the best performance, lowest power consumption, and lowest price - regardless of architecture. Change the ordering: power consumption

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/23/08, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Alex Belits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many developers were in that program, and how can one join it? Is it available now, between G1G1's? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_program =) There were at

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Jordan Crouse
On 23/05/08 18:00 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 23.05.2008, at 04:54, Jim Gettys wrote: On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 19:28 -0400, Andres Salomon wrote: If they put me in charge, I'd choose whichever CPU had the best performance, lowest power consumption, and lowest price - regardless

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.05.2008, at 19:38, Jordan Crouse wrote: On 23/05/08 18:00 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: /me wants a graphics accelerator. Minor nitpick - you _have_ a graphics accelerator. What you really want is a 3D graphics engine. Be sure to keep the distinction seperate; lots of embedded

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Jim Gettys
Bert... Part of the problem is the X driver model is pretty broken, causing much more to be done in software than should be necessary; and it isn't clear we're even using X efficiently at the moment... The driver stuff is getting fixed (in general in X: this is the EXA/DRI2 work); profiling of

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Belits
Jim Gettys wrote: Bert... Part of the problem is the X driver model is pretty broken, causing much more to be done in software than should be necessary; and it isn't clear we're even using X efficiently at the moment... The driver stuff is getting fixed (in general in X: this is the

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-23 Thread Jim Gettys
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 17:17 -0700, Alex Belits wrote: Jim Gettys wrote: Bert... Part of the problem is the X driver model is pretty broken, causing much more to be done in software than should be necessary; and it isn't clear we're even using X efficiently at the moment... The driver

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread John Gilmore
What are the software plans for the second-generation XO? First they need to build one out of something other than modeling clay and Photoshop. Then whenever your hand comes close to the laptop, ugly black bars are going to cover all the edges of that nice sky-blue screen. There's no need to

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the software plans for the second-generation XO? First they need to build one out of something other than modeling clay and Photoshop. [...] current touchpad can do tap to click (ticket #959). But developers and users of devices

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:17 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then whenever your hand comes close to the laptop, ugly black bars are going to cover all the edges of that nice sky-blue screen. I hear ugly black is the new black these days :-) It's always harder than you want it to

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread Andres Salomon
On Thu, 22 May 2008 15:17:02 -0700 John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the software plans for the second-generation XO? [...] If they'd put me in charge, I'd make sure it wasn't an x86 CPU, so this pesky Windows nonsense wouldn't come up. Nobody argues that a non-x86 has to

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 19:28 -0400, Andres Salomon wrote: If they put me in charge, I'd choose whichever CPU had the best performance, lowest power consumption, and lowest price - regardless of architecture. Change the ordering: power consumption and price (closely related to integration