Re: XO Feature Roadmap Meeting Minutes from November 26

2008-11-26 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Marco,

NP on the meeting, thanks for reading the minutes!
Comments inline.

 > * What's the time target of these features? I assume 9.1 *and* beyhond?

GS - This page is the heap of all items we have thought of building on 
the XO: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap I have a few days left 
to make sure everything under consideration is on there. Then I plan to 
start tagging items for 9.1 and adding other tags. For 9.1, a quick 
filter will show what is top priority for that release. In the end I 
want it to look like this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs

Then I will have a separate 9.1 page with the 9.1 filter and additional 
project management details (schedule etc. like we did in 8.2) and a 
statement of goals.

 > * Is it work OLPC stuff is going to do or something we encourage the
 > community to take over?

GS - Its going to cover both. I need to get the top priority OLPC stuff 
nailed down ASAP. Then I want to list the things which are important to 
XO users and make it easy for anyone to work on those.

 > * Do we need some sort of consensus about features before adding them 
to the
 > roadmap? For example it's the first time I hear Joe "remove the 
frame" idea
 > and I don't think it has been discussed at all with the design team.

GS - No consensus needed to put it on this page. Just follow the 
guidelines 
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Suggestions_for_providing_input) 
and make sure its well motivated.  Getting something built is another story.

 > * Any reason to *not* use trac directly for it instead of the wiki? It
 > mostly seems like a list of items.

GS - I want requirements, specifications, lists of customers and more 
detail then we have in trac. I also use the wiki to show the feature 
design to customers and get their ack on the requirements. Lastly, I 
want an easy place to track topics and main ideas. Items on the wiki can 
have one or more Trac items as well. Its extra work to use wiki and Trac 
but those are my reasons. Again, I want to follow the Ubuntu example and 
I think Semantic wiki will get me real close...

 > * How do I propose a feature to be added to the list?

GS - Just out it on there. Follow the guidelines and make sure you are 
as clear as possible about who benefits from the feature and how. I get 
an e-mail whenever the page is updated but you can also e-mail me 
directly. Also, if you have an idea and want to know if any customers 
have asked for it or if they would benefit from it, feel free to ask and 
I'll hunt down an answer for you.

Thanks,

Greg S

PS Thursday and Friday are holidays in the US. Back online Monday.

Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>> Ed, Gary, Deepak, Ben, Caryl and possibly other met on IRC on Wed.
>> November 25.
>>
> 
> Sorry to not have made this, still fighting with the jet lag here...
> 
> 
>> - Feature Roadmap page and 9.1 planning
>> (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap) :
> 
> 
> 
> I went through it and I'm a bit confused about time/scope/target:
> 
> * What's the time target of these features? I assume 9.1 *and* beyhond?
> * Is it work OLPC stuff is going to do or something we encourage the
> community to take over?
> * Do we need some sort of consensus about features before adding them to the
> roadmap? For example it's the first time I hear Joe "remove the frame" idea
> and I don't think it has been discussed at all with the design team.
> * Any reason to *not* use trac directly for it instead of the wiki? It
> mostly seems like a list of items.
> * How do I propose a feature to be added to the list?
> 
> Thanks,
> Marco
> 
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Re: XO Feature Roadmap Meeting Minutes from November 26

2008-11-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Ed, Gary, Deepak, Ben, Caryl and possibly other met on IRC on Wed.
> November 25.
>

Sorry to not have made this, still fighting with the jet lag here...


>
> - Feature Roadmap page and 9.1 planning
> (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap) :



I went through it and I'm a bit confused about time/scope/target:

* What's the time target of these features? I assume 9.1 *and* beyhond?
* Is it work OLPC stuff is going to do or something we encourage the
community to take over?
* Do we need some sort of consensus about features before adding them to the
roadmap? For example it's the first time I hear Joe "remove the frame" idea
and I don't think it has been discussed at all with the design team.
* Any reason to *not* use trac directly for it instead of the wiki? It
mostly seems like a list of items.
* How do I propose a feature to be added to the list?

Thanks,
Marco
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XO Feature Roadmap Meeting Minutes from November 26

2008-11-26 Thread Greg Smith
Ed, Gary, Deepak, Ben, Caryl and possibly other met on IRC on Wed. 
November 25.

Minutes:

- XO Camp miniconference dates are set for January 12 - 16 in Cambridge!

* Greg, Ed and others to update XO camp agenda to refine it and follow 
up with presenters to get more detailed agendas and presentations.

- Feature Roadmap page and 9.1 planning 
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap) :
* Greg to send e-mail to Mel asking for help recruiting people to work 
on the Feature roadmap page. The roadmap gang will work on updating the 
feature roadmap page to ensure every important feature request has a 
place and adding tags and reformatting as needed.

* Greg to send cjb and ed and invite for a power meeting (other key 
stakeholders welcome so may do it on IRC if there is demand). Current 
documentation on requirements is at: 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Power_management

* Greg to add detail to meaning of Deployability as the goal for 9.1. So 
far, the top 5 items for 9.1 are:
- Rebasing on F10
- power management
- localization/translation
- activation/lease/signing/management
- run linux and any linux app easily

Other things can be worked on as bug fixes. Lots of debate about feature 
vs. bug. Agreement that major areas of work should have an item on the 
feature roadmap page but Trac will also be tagged to allow easy querying 
of must fix bugs. Discussion of touchpad as something we will work on 
and how to document it.

Main idea is that all items have one or more tickets in Trac. Main 
topics and features should also have a location in the Wiki which can 
also list Trac bugs.

Mention that we need to keep 9.1 plan up to date with sugar plans 
(http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/0.84/Ideas). I believe that is 
all accounted for but should check for synch again soon.

Next steps on Roadmap page are to get the feature roadmap in to shape by 
Wed. December 3. Then documentation can focus more on Trac after that.

Next meeting: Wed. December 3, 2PM US ET IRC Freenode.net #olpc-meeting 
channel.

Agenda for next week:

10 minutes - XO camp update
10 minutes - Status and action items for Feature roadmap page updates.
30 minutes - Agree on Trac conventions for 9.1.
10 minutes - Set agenda for next week and write down action items.

Thanks,

Greg S

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