Re: XO deployment count?
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:30 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote: In countries all over the world, XOs are *actually arriving in children's hands*. --scott [*] roughly means there are lots of minor details I'm omitting; Peru rough numbers are good enough for answering critics who claim that OLPC is a failure, the only thing is that if different people give vastly different numbers we end up looking like idiots. The latest I have heard is more than half a million in the hands of students, and another half million on order or in the pipeline. That isn't good enough for updating the Wiki, but staff are completely out of bandwidth at least until after the New Year. There are supposed to be more blockbuster G1G1 ads coming, for one thing. We have zero information on sales through Amazon after the initial best-seller listings. the deployments page mentioned above is not linked to from the main page of the wiki (this is one of my gripes about most wikis, they end up having lots of information in them, but the linking structure is frequently so bad that you would never know it, which leads to multiple pages being maintained by different people, with conflicting information) OLPC Ghana page says that Ghana has ordered 10,000 units, and committed to enough for every child. But there is no contact information, and the Ministry in Ghana (moess.gov.gh) doesn't have a page for the project. if you could pass this along to the folks on the business side. they need to realize that we are part of their sales/marketing force. You certainly are. The main page is editable by anyone with a user account; I encourage anyone with ideas about what should go there to add specific suggestions to the talk page, or to update directly if the change is obvious. Most other pages, if you see that they aren't linking to the most current version of a relevant page, be bold and fix them. SJ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO deployment count?
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Eben Eliason wrote: As an asset on our main website, it aims to be as authoritative as possible. The current numbers were populated via the wiki (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments), which I believe is kept mostly up to date (but I could be wrong). A few of the numbers have been adjusted or added since the initial population of the map via the wiki (Ghana, for instance). If these numbers are low, or deployments are missing, please let me know! What other sources have you found? on the olpc wiki I've seen links to the New York deployment in the past currently one of the links on the front page of the wiki points at http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/22041/ (March 2008) which states that 400k laptops are going to peru also on that same front page there is a link to http://radian.org/notebook/astounded-in-arahuay (also march 2008) which states 260 odd thousand laptops. I may be smoking crack, but I believe that our contracts typically have options for extension attached. I believe the 190,000 machines in my slides are the completely paid for machines[*] while the larger numbers you quoted are sizes of the order if some/all options are exercised.[**] Naturally, the stories immediately following a contract being signed concentrate on the potential size of the order. But even the actually paid for numbers are impressive (IMO). I've learned that it's a long and rocky road from initial announcement to actual delivered machines, which is why I view new announcements (for example, the Portugal Classmate deal) as highly suspect until actual machines start arriving in people's hands. In countries all over the world, XOs are *actually arriving in children's hands*. --scott [*] roughly means there are lots of minor details I'm omitting; Peru has some dispute with its shipping company, for example, and there are some lawsuits pending over exactly who is paying what to whom, and some number of the manufactured XOs are currently stuck in a warehouse in Shanghai because they were brought out of a free trade zone they were never supposed to leave. I'm glad I'm not actually working on the business side of OLPC! [**] Disclaimer, if needed: don't take this an an authoritative statement, this is just a rough guess based on the casual conversations I've had. Like I said, I'm not terribly interested in the business details; I'm happy just working on software. I can put you in touch with real people if you actually want/need a definitive answer -- but they all seem pretty stressed busy this week. rough numbers are good enough for answering critics who claim that OLPC is a failure, the only thing is that if different people give vastly different numbers we end up looking like idiots. the deployments page mentioned above is not linked to from the main page of the wiki (this is one of my gripes about most wikis, they end up having lots of information in them, but the linking structure is frequently so bad that you would never know it, which leads to multiple pages being maintained by different people, with conflicting information) if you could pass this along to the folks on the business side. they need to realize that we are part of their sales/marketing force. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
XO deployment count?
in trying to counter some of the 'OLPC is a failing company' FUD I found that it would be useful to be able to say how many laptops were shipped in the last year, unfortunantly I wasn't able to dig anything sane up in 15 min of digging. could you guys give us an idea of where things stand (it would probably be nice to have approximate figures on the front page of the wiki for bragging purposes as well) the ideal would be # purchased(contracted for) plus number physically shipped. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO deployment count?
The countries page of the new website has a nice embedded google map which reveals a high level view of the current stats (ordered + shipped). I believe that SJ added an extension to the OLPC wiki recently to allow map embedding, but I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. http://laptop.org/en/children/countries/ - Eben On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in trying to counter some of the 'OLPC is a failing company' FUD I found that it would be useful to be able to say how many laptops were shipped in the last year, unfortunantly I wasn't able to dig anything sane up in 15 min of digging. could you guys give us an idea of where things stand (it would probably be nice to have approximate figures on the front page of the wiki for bragging purposes as well) the ideal would be # purchased(contracted for) plus number physically shipped. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO deployment count?
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Eben Eliason wrote: The countries page of the new website has a nice embedded google map which reveals a high level view of the current stats (ordered + shipped). I believe that SJ added an extension to the OLPC wiki recently to allow map embedding, but I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. http://laptop.org/en/children/countries/ thanks, that's useful, but how up-to-date are the numbers? this shows 145,000 for peru while I've seen numbers of 260k or 400k listed in other places (just to pick an example I've heard about) it also doesn't show some deployments that I've heard about (New York), while listing some places with insignificant numbers of laptops (500 or less) David Lang - Eben On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in trying to counter some of the 'OLPC is a failing company' FUD I found that it would be useful to be able to say how many laptops were shipped in the last year, unfortunantly I wasn't able to dig anything sane up in 15 min of digging. could you guys give us an idea of where things stand (it would probably be nice to have approximate figures on the front page of the wiki for bragging purposes as well) the ideal would be # purchased(contracted for) plus number physically shipped. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO deployment count?
As an asset on our main website, it aims to be as authoritative as possible. The current numbers were populated via the wiki (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments), which I believe is kept mostly up to date (but I could be wrong). A few of the numbers have been adjusted or added since the initial population of the map via the wiki (Ghana, for instance). If these numbers are low, or deployments are missing, please let me know! What other sources have you found? - Eben On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Eben Eliason wrote: The countries page of the new website has a nice embedded google map which reveals a high level view of the current stats (ordered + shipped). I believe that SJ added an extension to the OLPC wiki recently to allow map embedding, but I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. http://laptop.org/en/children/countries/ thanks, that's useful, but how up-to-date are the numbers? this shows 145,000 for peru while I've seen numbers of 260k or 400k listed in other places (just to pick an example I've heard about) it also doesn't show some deployments that I've heard about (New York), while listing some places with insignificant numbers of laptops (500 or less) David Lang - Eben On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in trying to counter some of the 'OLPC is a failing company' FUD I found that it would be useful to be able to say how many laptops were shipped in the last year, unfortunantly I wasn't able to dig anything sane up in 15 min of digging. could you guys give us an idea of where things stand (it would probably be nice to have approximate figures on the front page of the wiki for bragging purposes as well) the ideal would be # purchased(contracted for) plus number physically shipped. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO deployment count?
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Eben Eliason wrote: As an asset on our main website, it aims to be as authoritative as possible. The current numbers were populated via the wiki (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments), which I believe is kept mostly up to date (but I could be wrong). A few of the numbers have been adjusted or added since the initial population of the map via the wiki (Ghana, for instance). If these numbers are low, or deployments are missing, please let me know! What other sources have you found? on the olpc wiki I've seen links to the New York deployment in the past currently one of the links on the front page of the wiki points at http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/22041/ (March 2008) which states that 400k laptops are going to peru also on that same front page there is a link to http://radian.org/notebook/astounded-in-arahuay (also march 2008) which states 260 odd thousand laptops. David Lang - Eben On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Eben Eliason wrote: The countries page of the new website has a nice embedded google map which reveals a high level view of the current stats (ordered + shipped). I believe that SJ added an extension to the OLPC wiki recently to allow map embedding, but I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. http://laptop.org/en/children/countries/ thanks, that's useful, but how up-to-date are the numbers? this shows 145,000 for peru while I've seen numbers of 260k or 400k listed in other places (just to pick an example I've heard about) it also doesn't show some deployments that I've heard about (New York), while listing some places with insignificant numbers of laptops (500 or less) David Lang - Eben On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in trying to counter some of the 'OLPC is a failing company' FUD I found that it would be useful to be able to say how many laptops were shipped in the last year, unfortunantly I wasn't able to dig anything sane up in 15 min of digging. could you guys give us an idea of where things stand (it would probably be nice to have approximate figures on the front page of the wiki for bragging purposes as well) the ideal would be # purchased(contracted for) plus number physically shipped. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO deployment count?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an asset on our main website, it aims to be as authoritative as possible. The current numbers were populated via the wiki (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments), which I believe is kept mostly up to date (but I could be wrong). A few of the numbers have been adjusted or added since the initial population of the map via the wiki (Ghana, for instance). If these numbers are low, or deployments are missing, please let me know! What other sources have you found? I wasn't impressed with the accuracy of the wiki last I checked, but maybe it's been updated. The most recent numbers I know about are in: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/talks;a=blob_plain;f=usmp-fia-peru-20081025.odp;hb=HEAD (slides 16 and 17) The first slide shows numbers of laptops which have 'phoned home', which should consider a lower limit on the number of machines in the field -- a number of our deployments have no connectivity, and those that have connectivity are often firewalled. The second shows Peru status: 40,000 today in 600 schools, and 150,000 in transit, which will go into an additional 900 schools. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO deployment count?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Eben Eliason wrote: As an asset on our main website, it aims to be as authoritative as possible. The current numbers were populated via the wiki (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments), which I believe is kept mostly up to date (but I could be wrong). A few of the numbers have been adjusted or added since the initial population of the map via the wiki (Ghana, for instance). If these numbers are low, or deployments are missing, please let me know! What other sources have you found? on the olpc wiki I've seen links to the New York deployment in the past currently one of the links on the front page of the wiki points at http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/22041/ (March 2008) which states that 400k laptops are going to peru also on that same front page there is a link to http://radian.org/notebook/astounded-in-arahuay (also march 2008) which states 260 odd thousand laptops. I may be smoking crack, but I believe that our contracts typically have options for extension attached. I believe the 190,000 machines in my slides are the completely paid for machines[*] while the larger numbers you quoted are sizes of the order if some/all options are exercised.[**] Naturally, the stories immediately following a contract being signed concentrate on the potential size of the order. But even the actually paid for numbers are impressive (IMO). I've learned that it's a long and rocky road from initial announcement to actual delivered machines, which is why I view new announcements (for example, the Portugal Classmate deal) as highly suspect until actual machines start arriving in people's hands. In countries all over the world, XOs are *actually arriving in children's hands*. --scott [*] roughly means there are lots of minor details I'm omitting; Peru has some dispute with its shipping company, for example, and there are some lawsuits pending over exactly who is paying what to whom, and some number of the manufactured XOs are currently stuck in a warehouse in Shanghai because they were brought out of a free trade zone they were never supposed to leave. I'm glad I'm not actually working on the business side of OLPC! [**] Disclaimer, if needed: don't take this an an authoritative statement, this is just a rough guess based on the casual conversations I've had. Like I said, I'm not terribly interested in the business details; I'm happy just working on software. I can put you in touch with real people if you actually want/need a definitive answer -- but they all seem pretty stressed busy this week. -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
