On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:49 AM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's no cost to OLPC to have Quanta ship the
> manufacturing data with the "disable-security" bits set.
If this is true, I'd like to see us ship g1g1 laptops with security disabled.
The one persuasive argument I have see
be
> > > incredibly dangerous to turn off the "security" of the laptops. In
> > > Nepal's case I was unable to disabuse them of this odd notion. So no
> > > country asks for freedom in their laptop shipments, and no G1G1 is
> > > shipped with freedom
;security" of the laptops. In
> > Nepal's case I was unable to disabuse them of this odd notion. So no
> > country asks for freedom in their laptop shipments, and no G1G1 is
> > shipped with freedom, and thus every OLPC laptop is jailed, like every
> > iPhone.
&
I'm glad that people are trying to think of ways to improve the lot of
G1G1 users. The fundamental problem doesn't go away, though, unless
you make it go away. The plan in November's G1G1, as I understand it,
is to build in unnecessary restrictions on the people you should be
most grateful for th
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:59 PM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see this is utterly backwards. The countries that want $feature on their
> laptops should be paying the price in support problems and
> infrastructure.
I've edited your quote a bit. G1G1 participants support us is many
wa
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 12:27:48AM -0400, John Watlington wrote:
>
>How about providing dev. keys for G1G1 laptops with
>no delay ?Would you consider it an improvement ?
I would consider it a mediocre usability improvement in exchange for a
moderate security risk -- it fails to permit any simp
se them of this odd notion. So no
> country asks for freedom in their laptop shipments, and no G1G1 is
> shipped with freedom, and thus every OLPC laptop is jailed, like every
> iPhone.
>
> John
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:34:09 -0400
> From: "Walter Bender&qu
ountry asks for freedom in their laptop shipments, and no G1G1 is
shipped with freedom, and thus every OLPC laptop is jailed, like every
iPhone.
John
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:34:09 -0400
From: "Walter Bender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "John Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 12:07:51AM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote:
>> With that said, I would probably lean towards preferring unsecured
>> machines (with pretty boot enabled, of course).
>>
>
> Such small hassles, when repeated
On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 09:45:26AM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 12:07:51AM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote:
> > [Requesting a devkey] is a SMALL hassle [...]
>
> Such small hassles, when repeated across hundreds of thousands of
> people, tend to eat up a lot of time. We should b
+1
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 12:07:51AM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I don't mind if the G1G1 donors have the option to participate in
>> > test
On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 12:07:51AM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't mind if the G1G1 donors have the option to participate in
> > testing secured laptops, but I utterly reject the notion that we can
> > jerk customer
al's case I was unable to disabuse them of this odd notion. So no
>> country asks for freedom in their laptop shipments, and no G1G1 is
>> shipped with freedom, and thus every OLPC laptop is jailed, like every
>> iPhone.
>>
>>John
>>
>> Date: Wed
no
> country asks for freedom in their laptop shipments, and no G1G1 is
> shipped with freedom, and thus every OLPC laptop is jailed, like every
> iPhone.
>
>John
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:34:09 -0400
> From: "Walter Bender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 19:15 -0700, John Gilmore wrote:
> I know the support crew would be much happier if G1G1 laptops were
> shipped able to run test builds and patched software, if users could
> interact with Forth to diagnose their hardware, if they could run
> unsigned Forth code from USB colle
ountry asks for freedom in their laptop shipments, and no G1G1 is
shipped with freedom, and thus every OLPC laptop is jailed, like every
iPhone.
John
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:34:09 -0400
From: "Walter Bender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "John Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 29 Sep 2008, at 06:45, John Gilmore wrote:
>> Requesting dev keys should not be difficult! How can we fix that
>> problem?
>
> We could consider shipping the next G1G1 batch with developer keys
> already included ("disable-security").
>
> The only reason any G1G1 user would prefer a lockdown
> Requesting dev keys should not be difficult! How can we fix that problem?
We could consider shipping the next G1G1 batch with developer keys
already included ("disable-security").
The only reason any G1G1 user would prefer a lockdown laptop is because
it won't do "pretty boot" if it's jailbr
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