Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread John Gilmore
My only experience with Squeak/eToys up til now was trying it on the OLPC as a naive user. Poking at objects on the screen with the handles, since that was the only tutorial offered. The way the darn thing saved its workspace in the friggin Journal whenever you tried to quit it reminded me of

Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Hi, John, My only experience with Squeak/eToys up til now was trying it on the OLPC as a naive user. Poking at objects on the screen with the handles, since that was the only tutorial offered. The way the darn thing saved its workspace in the friggin Journal whenever you tried to quit it

Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
John, I separated the real Etoys implementation part from your email. Hopefully it helps to focus on different aspects of discussion. It took some searching, but I found a paper on the design of the guts of Squeak: ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/Smalltalk/Squeak/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html I

Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread NoiseEHC
There's also a warning at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak that if you want to run eToys, you need to run a different version of Squeak than everybody else. *That* is Etoys. What is wrong with it? Just out of curiosity: Exactly how is it different from vanilla squeak? (If there is

Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
There's also a warning at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak that if you want to run eToys, you need to run a different version of Squeak than everybody else. *That* is Etoys. What is wrong with it? Just out of curiosity: Exactly how is it different from vanilla squeak? (If

Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread Karl Ramberg
NoiseEHC wrote: There's also a warning at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak that if you want to run eToys, you need to run a different version of Squeak than everybody else. *That* is Etoys. What is wrong with it? Just out of curiosity: Exactly how is it different from

Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread NoiseEHC
Thanks! Why do you refer it to as binary blob? That was the first word jumped into my mind. All I know is that it is not in CVS or GIT so nothing serious. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [John Gilmore wrote:] There's also a warning at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak that if you want to run eToys, you need to run a different version of Squeak than everybody else. *That* is Etoys. What is wrong

Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 25.06.2008 um 23:25 schrieb Edward Cherlin: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [John Gilmore wrote:] There's also a warning at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak that if you want to run eToys, you need to run a different version of Squeak than

Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Can gst bring in a .sources file and a .changes file and create a working image? It doesn't have to. It builds gst.im from scratch at every bootstrap. If squeak/etoys did something close to that, many concerns would be pacified. - FChE

Re: etoys implementation

2008-06-25 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
At Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:09:12 -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Can gst bring in a .sources file and a .changes file and create a working image? It doesn't have to. It builds gst.im from scratch at every bootstrap. If squeak/etoys did