Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:15 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Installing Skype on the XO-1.75 using the instructions at wiki.laptop.org/go/Skype does not work. As others have pointed out, Skype (the company) does not publish a skype-for-linux, ARM version. AIUI, they will never do so, and probably they'll stop caring about the current skype-for-linux x86/x86_64 real soon. They do publish a devkit that has libraries for various platforms, and I've been told it has an ARM binary library. The documentation is interesting -- clearly they have a library to make it easy to build your own UI to skype; and they have Python bindings (and examples!). So if some enterprising soul wanted to sign up for their dev program (there's a small fee, I believe) you can look at what's inside, perhaps even try to run the python samples on our hw. A Python client means a Sugar-ish client is possible, if you want to look at the upside. (The downsides are well documented :-) ). Here I am glossing over some complications -- ARM is a bit more fragmented that x86, so a unified ARM version is possible, but would likely suck badly on all platforms. You'd want ARMv5tel for our current build, which would perhaps be so-so, and then ARMv7hl for the OS we'll prepare next year. Similar concerns affect Flash-for-Linux on ARM and any performance-sensitive binary plugins you can think of. One good piece of news is that Skype isn't the only game in town. Google-talk-plugin has been my friend lately, and competes with Skype plenty in my personal usage (it's the plugin behind gmail/gchat voice + video, g+ hangouts, and google's own int'l dialling service). hth, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:15 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Installing Skype on the XO-1.75 using the instructions at wiki.laptop.org/go/Skype does not work. As others have pointed out, Skype (the company) does not publish a skype-for-linux, ARM version. AIUI, they will never do so, and probably they'll stop caring about the current skype-for-linux x86/x86_64 real soon. They do publish a devkit that has libraries for various platforms, and I've been told it has an ARM binary library. The documentation is interesting -- clearly they have a library to make it easy to build your own UI to skype; and they have Python bindings (and examples!). So if some enterprising soul wanted to sign up for their dev program (there's a small fee, I believe) you can look at what's inside, perhaps even try to run the python samples on our hw. A Python client means a Sugar-ish client is possible, if you want to look at the upside. (The downsides are well documented :-) ). I believe there's actually a telepathy library already written that uses this, no idea about the ARM side of things but I believe that is what the Nokia n900 uses and its ARM based so it might even work! What would be REALLY cool would be a Video Chat Activity for Voice and/or Video chat. It could likely use the empathy stuff underneath and then it could use MSN/Gtalk/jabber/etc and all the underlying infra already there, and all the contacts etc from empathy in gnome would just come across. I've actually had a number of queries about this of late from interested Fedora people. Here I am glossing over some complications -- ARM is a bit more fragmented that x86, so a unified ARM version is possible, but would likely suck badly on all platforms. You'd want ARMv5tel for our current build, which would perhaps be so-so, and then ARMv7hl for the OS we'll prepare next year. Maybe not as bad as you think meego has both softfp and hardfp and supports it I think (had to be something good come out of Meego!) I'll try to remember to have a poke when I get a spare moment. Similar concerns affect Flash-for-Linux on ARM and any performance-sensitive binary plugins you can think of. Yea, now that is a train wreck. Might be time to look @ Lightspark One good piece of news is that Skype isn't the only game in town. Google-talk-plugin has been my friend lately, and competes with Skype plenty in my personal usage (it's the plugin behind gmail/gchat voice + video, g+ hangouts, and google's own int'l dialling service). Agreed, I think a Video Chat Activity might be out best bet. We're already got it on the gnome side. Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed, I think a Video Chat Activity might be out best bet. We're already got it on the gnome side. You mean ekiga? It's been fairly disappointing to me in the past... Or something else? meego has both softfp and hardfp Not sure what you mean with this -- Some sort of fat binary scheme? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed, I think a Video Chat Activity might be out best bet. We're already got it on the gnome side. You mean ekiga? It's been fairly disappointing to me in the past... Or something else? Something else. I mean a dedicated sugar Video chat Activity. meego has both softfp and hardfp Not sure what you mean with this -- Some sort of fat binary scheme? No armv5tel == softfp and armv7hl == hardfp. These are the two types of compiled options we need for the binary libraries if we're to support it on the current release and the newer ones F16+ Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.comwrote: One good piece of news is that Skype isn't the only game in town. Google-talk-plugin has been my friend lately, and competes with Skype plenty in my personal usage (it's the plugin behind gmail/gchat voice + video, g+ hangouts, and google's own int'l dialling service). Agreed, I think a Video Chat Activity might be out best bet. We're already got it on the gnome side. Some folks from RIT have already Sugarized something (not that I've ever tried it) I also have no idea whether it would work on an XO 1.75 Open Video Chat 1 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4305 cjl ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: Some folks from RIT have already Sugarized something (not that I've ever tried it) I also have no idea whether it would work on an XO 1.75 Open Video Chat 1 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4305 It seems like it's early days for that app. No updates for over a year (are they working on it?), no STUN or anything to get out of a NAT trap. No interop with other tools mentioned. Peter clarified in a private email that current Gnome uses Telepathy to interop with various other tools (gchat, msn), and apparently can do voice + video. This exists today, and has a reasonably mature codebase... that is in use in Sugar too. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: Some folks from RIT have already Sugarized something (not that I've ever tried it) I also have no idea whether it would work on an XO 1.75 Open Video Chat 1 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4305 It seems like it's early days for that app. No updates for over a year (are they working on it?), no STUN or anything to get out of a NAT trap. No interop with other tools mentioned. Peter clarified in a private email that current Gnome uses Telepathy to interop with various other tools (gchat, msn), and apparently can do voice + video. This exists today, and has a reasonably mature codebase... that is in use in Sugar too. FAQ here https://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#Audio_and_Video_calls Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
I use 26 laptops in my classroom and I want to upgrade them in 11.2.0 release, but it hasn't got Greek language. I followed the procedure herehttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_Builderto add the Greek language and it produced two files (os9uim and os9.onu). Then I put them in a usb stick and I started my XO by hold down the escape button. The OK appeared in my screen, then I wrote update-nand u:\os9.onu for install. The whole process completed without error messages, but after the reboot the XO doesn't start. I don't know what to do. Any help please? Yannis 2011/10/20 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: Some folks from RIT have already Sugarized something (not that I've ever tried it) I also have no idea whether it would work on an XO 1.75 Open Video Chat 1 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4305 It seems like it's early days for that app. No updates for over a year (are they working on it?), no STUN or anything to get out of a NAT trap. No interop with other tools mentioned. Peter clarified in a private email that current Gnome uses Telepathy to interop with various other tools (gchat, msn), and apparently can do voice + video. This exists today, and has a reasonably mature codebase... that is in use in Sugar too. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: Some folks from RIT have already Sugarized something (not that I've ever tried it) I also have no idea whether it would work on an XO 1.75 Open Video Chat 1 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4305 It seems like it's early days for that app. No updates for over a year (are they working on it?), no STUN or anything to get out of a NAT trap. No interop with other tools mentioned. Peter clarified in a private email that current Gnome uses Telepathy to interop with various other tools (gchat, msn), and apparently can do voice + video. This exists today, and has a reasonably mature codebase... that is in use in Sugar too. cheers, I have a student (Tilila El Moujahid) who is looking at IAX2 and/or SIP client on the XO as part of her thesis project. The plan is to look at both p2p and PBX mode and look at good combos of protocol/codec for the XO 1 and 1.5 More to follow as we get moving. She'll be at the OLPC SF Summit, so if any of you are there, be sure to remind me...maybe we'll get a conversation/session going on that. cheers, Sameer -- Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Professor, Information Systems San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://olpcsf.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Re: skype on XO-1.75
I would imagine Skype themselves might have an idea. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:15 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Installing Skype on the XO-1.75 using the instructions at wiki.laptop.org/go/Skype does not work. I am guessing the download is for x86 and not ARM. Skype doesn't produce a publicly available linux version of Skype so its not supported. gtalk works via empathy. Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:15 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Installing Skype on the XO-1.75 using the instructions at wiki.laptop.org/go/Skype does not work. I am guessing the download is for x86 and not ARM. Skype doesn't produce a publicly available linux version of Skype so its not supported. gtalk works via empathy. That should be publicly available linux version of Skype on ARM ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:59 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: I would imagine Skype themselves might have an idea. Feel free to ask Skype via their forums http://community.skype.com/t5/English/ct-p/English?profile.language=en cjl ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:18:28AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Skype doesn't produce a publicly available linux version of Skype so its not supported. gtalk works via empathy. That should be publicly available linux version of Skype on ARM They provide a build for Android on ARM, it seems. I don't know if that would work. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Re: Re: skype on XO-1.75
Thanks James Chris Have asked at http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-on-the-OLPC-XO-1-75-ARM-chipset/td-p/224454 On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:59 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: I would imagine Skype themselves might have an idea. Feel free to ask Skype via their forums http://community.skype.com/t5/English/ct-p/English?profile.language=en cjl brbrdiv class=gmail_quoteOn Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:59 AM, James Cameron span dir=ltra href=mailto:qu...@laptop.org;qu...@laptop.org/a/span wrote:brblockquote class=gmail_quote style=margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex; I would imagine Skype themselves might have an idea.br font color=#88br/font/blockquotedivbrFeel free to ask Skype via their forumsbr/divdivbr/divdiva href=http://community.skype.com/t5/English/ct-p/English?profile.language=en;http://community.skype.com/t5/English/ct-p/English?profile.language=en/a br /div/divbrcjlbr ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
O On 19 Oct 2011 08:42, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:18:28AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Skype doesn't produce a publicly available linux version of Skype so its not supported. gtalk works via empathy. That should be publicly available linux version of Skype on ARM They provide a build for Android on ARM, it seems. I don't know if that would work. Unfortunately not, completely different set of libraries. Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
skype on XO-1.75
Installing Skype on the XO-1.75 using the instructions at wiki.laptop.org/go/Skype does not work. I am guessing the download is for x86 and not ARM. Can the instructions please be amended, either pointing to a working download or noting that Skype is not supported on the XO-1.75? Tony ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: skype on XO-1.75
It's a wiki, please feel free to add any notes you deem necessary. XO 1.75 are only in the hands of developers at the moment, so I'm not sure this is needed for general public, but I suppose a note on 1.75 might be needed eventually. cjl On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:15 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Installing Skype on the XO-1.75 using the instructions at wiki.laptop.org/go/Skype does not work. I am guessing the download is for x86 and not ARM. Can the instructions please be amended, either pointing to a working download or noting that Skype is not supported on the XO-1.75? Tony ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Re: skype on XO-1.75
It's a wiki, please feel free to add any notes you deem necessary. XO 1.75 are only in the hands of developers at the moment, so I'm not sure this is needed for general public, but I suppose a note on 1.75 might be needed eventually. thanks, I am happy to edit the wiki, I am just not sure what to say. Is it likely that the chipset is the problem? How do I find if there is a suitable download? Tony ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
