Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-13 Thread Mohammed Hassan
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:29:47AM +0100, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: [..] > well if Harbour QA would be doing so well why the flashlight app > with some hidden data gathering passed it (Artems little provocation > :))? Was Artems flash light gathering data? Cheers,

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-13 Thread Attila Csipa
On 13/02/14 12:29, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: well if Harbour QA would be doing so well why the flashlight app with some hidden data gathering passed it (Artems little provocation :))? That shows that Jolla QA doesn't have to be better than community QA in terms of user security and privacy. Exactl

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-13 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 13.02.2014 07:26, Kalle Vahlman pisze: The other question here is will users prefer (or rather appreciate) the Jolla-screened apps in Harbour over the user-screened apps from OpenRepos. And again, what could be a better argument about allowing a certain API in Harbour than a handful of f

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-13 Thread Attila Csipa
On 13/02/14 08:26, Kalle Vahlman wrote: The other question here is will users prefer (or rather appreciate) the Jolla-screened apps in Harbour over the user-screened apps from OpenRepos. We actually know the answer - it's not like we didn't have precedents for "techie-device with both company

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-12 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2014-02-12 Filip Kłębczyk : > W dniu 12.02.2014 14:06, Attila Csipa pisze: > >> My personal advice is - don't overthink it. The bottom line/driver is >> the user experience. > > > Excellent post! The result was easy the predict - developers start to prefer > OpenRepos than Harbour. The other quest

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-12 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 12.02.2014 14:06, Attila Csipa pisze: My personal advice is - don't overthink it. The bottom line/driver is the user experience. Excellent post! The result was easy the predict - developers start to prefer OpenRepos than Harbour. Someone really overthinked the whole allowed API/libs st

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-12 Thread timur . kristof
Attila, you are totally right (in my opinion at least). Can you please post your opinion to the together thread so that those of us who don't read mailing lists can find it too? :) On Wed Feb 12 2014 14:06:16 GMT+0100 (CET), Attila Csipa wrote: >On 12/02/14 12:36, Timur Kristóf wrote: >> >> I p

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-12 Thread Attila Csipa
On 12/02/14 12:36, Timur Kristóf wrote: I posted the stuff to together so we can continue the discussion online: https://together.jolla.com/question/27052/roundtable-discussion-jolla-harbour-apis/ My personal advice is - don't overthink it. The bottom line/driver is the user experience. It

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-12 Thread Timur Kristóf
We talked about this at the FOSDEM community roundtable. While no specific solution was chosen, several alternatives and points of consideration came up. I posted the stuff to together so we can continue the discussion online: https://together.jolla.com/question/27052/roundtable-discussion-jolla-h

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-10 Thread Attila Csipa
On 09/02/14 14:52, David Greaves wrote: On 09/02/14 11:28, Putze Sven wrote: As pointed out from others, it's not simply done with the Qt documentation. The Sailfish OS is built upon many libraries, frameworks and layers. But which one is to use? Qt. Seriously. You asked for "an API". Jolla su

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-09 Thread David Greaves
On 09/02/14 11:28, Putze Sven wrote: > Hi, > > On 03.02.2014, at 16:58, David Greaves wrote: > >> On 03/02/14 15:29, Putze Sven wrote: >>> What does a developer need to write quality apps? An API and a >>> documentation of such. >>> >>> So far there is a quite limited API available and therefor

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-09 Thread Erik Lundin
Hi, 2014-02-03 16:29, Putze Sven skrev: What does a developer need to write quality apps? An API and a documentation of such. I would like to add "best practices" and "experience sharing", which is exactly what StackOverflow provides me as a developer in other projects. In my opinion is a pl

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-09 Thread Putze Sven
Hi, On 03.02.2014, at 16:58, David Greaves wrote: > On 03/02/14 15:29, Putze Sven wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> during Fosdem I spoke to some people about this, even to Carsten Munk from >> Jolla itself (not in the depth and detail of this mail, I must admit) and he >> suggested to write this in th

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-03 Thread itviewer
+11 From: Luciano Montanaro Date: 2014-02-04 01:10 To: Sailfish OS Developers CC: David Greaves Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API? Hi everybody, I too find documentation a bit missing... But it is not much about APIs, but system level documentation. Qt

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-03 Thread Luciano Montanaro
Hi everybody, I too find documentation a bit missing... But it is not much about APIs, but system level documentation. Qt documentation is good, at least for the parts that are still actively maintained. But SailfishOS uses Qt, on top of wayland, systemd, pulse,gstreamer and telepathy, and a bunc

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-03 Thread christopher . lamb
Hi all my experience is that are a vast amount of apis out there: There is all the Qt stuff, the Qt add-ons, Nemo packages, and lower-level stuff like telepathy and GST. The problem is not the lack of APIs, but the choice of APIs. Which is the best one to use?. Then if you hit on a likely

Re: [SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-03 Thread David Greaves
On 03/02/14 15:29, Putze Sven wrote: > Hi there, > > during Fosdem I spoke to some people about this, even to Carsten Munk from > Jolla itself (not in the depth and detail of this mail, I must admit) and he > suggested to write this in the mailing list, so those of Jolla who should be > concerned

[SailfishDevel] When does Jolla give us an API?

2014-02-03 Thread Putze Sven
Hi there, during Fosdem I spoke to some people about this, even to Carsten Munk from Jolla itself (not in the depth and detail of this mail, I must admit) and he suggested to write this in the mailing list, so those of Jolla who should be concerned have a chance to answer this question and I re