Re: Clock fuzzing bugs

2019-11-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
Mark Atwood via devel : > On Sun, Nov 24, 2019, at 19:32, Hal Murray via devel wrote: > > > > e...@thyrsus.com said: > > > If we don't see any evidence of beat-induced quantization, I'm willing to > > > say > > > we drop this code. > > > > How about adding a --disable-fuzz configure option so

Re: Clock fuzzing bugs

2019-11-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
Gary E. Miller via devel : > Is there an existing patch to remove the fuzzing? There is not. See my reply to Mark. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ devel mailing list

Re: Clock fuzzing bugs

2019-11-24 Thread Richard Laager via devel
On 11/24/19 3:41 AM, Hal Murray via devel wrote: > rlaa...@wiktel.com said: >> I can build from git or with whatever patches, if needed. If something is >> wrong with this clock fuzzing code, I'd love to help get to the bottom of it, >> but this doesn't seem like the sort of thing I can sort out

Re: Clock fuzzing bugs

2019-11-24 Thread Mark Atwood via devel
On Sun, Nov 24, 2019, at 19:32, Hal Murray via devel wrote: > > e...@thyrsus.com said: > > If we don't see any evidence of beat-induced quantization, I'm willing to > > say > > we drop this code. > > How about adding a --disable-fuzz configure option so we can experiment > without breaking

Re: Clock fuzzing bugs

2019-11-24 Thread Hal Murray via devel
e...@thyrsus.com said: > If we don't see any evidence of beat-induced quantization, I'm willing to say > we drop this code. How about adding a --disable-fuzz configure option so we can experiment without breaking the default case. Or maybe a runtime configure option. Early

Re: Clock fuzzing bugs

2019-11-24 Thread Gary E. Miller via devel
Yo Eric! On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 08:55:53 -0500 "Eric S. Raymond via devel" wrote: > We have pretty good visualization tools these days. Gary, you know > best what normal perfornance looks like under ntpviz. Would you be > willing to patch-disable fuzzing and see if that induces any >

Re: Clock fuzzing bugs

2019-11-24 Thread Achim Gratz via devel
Eric S. Raymond via devel writes: > If we don't see any evidence of beat-induced quantization, I'm willing > to say we drop this code. Please don't invent gobbledeegok terminology. "Beat-induced quantization" is completely devoid of meaning. Again, what we're talking about is dithering and it

Re: Clock fuzzing bugs

2019-11-24 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
Hal Murray via devel : > I'm tempted to rip out that stuff. I haven't quite convinced myself that it > isn't doing something important. Eric? The clock fuzzing? It's an interesting question. I've thought about it. I'm doubtful myself. The obvious motivation would be to avoid beat effects

Clock fuzzing bugs

2019-11-24 Thread Hal Murray via devel
rlaa...@wiktel.com said: > I can build from git or with whatever patches, if needed. If something is > wrong with this clock fuzzing code, I'd love to help get to the bottom of it, > but this doesn't seem like the sort of thing I can sort out by myself. I don't have any good ideas. Can you