Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread Sanjeev Gupta via devel
Hi, I know that broadcast *client* mode was removed last year, because it was impossible to secure. Broadcast *server* mode was deprecated. I have a feeling that was also removed, at some time. Has it? -- Sanjeev Gupta +65 98551208 http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane

Re: Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
Sanjeev Gupta via devel : > I have a feeling that was also removed, at some time. Has it? I do not recall that we explicitly removed it. But I wouldn't count on it to work without testing. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond

Re: Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread Sanjeev Gupta via devel
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 7:35 PM Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Sanjeev Gupta via devel : > > I have a feeling that was also removed, at some time. Has it? > > I do not recall that we explicitly removed it. But I wouldn't count on > it to work without testing. > The "Broadcast" item in

Re: 'g' suffix egg on my face

2019-08-18 Thread Achim Gratz via devel
Sanjeev Gupta via devel writes: > Eric, next request. I have a spare parallel port on the system, could I > have a software patch so that it can connect to a 10G optical WDM cable? But that only works if you drill a hole exactly down the center of each data wire in the parallel cable, you'll also

Re: Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
Sanjeev Gupta : > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 7:35 PM Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > > Sanjeev Gupta via devel : > > > I have a feeling that was also removed, at some time. Has it? > > > > I do not recall that we explicitly removed it. But I wouldn't count on > > it to work without testing. > > > > >

Re: Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
Hal Murray : > I remember a comment about there being no way to do broadcast securely. It > would be good to include an expanded version of that in the documentation. That's covered. In the page on NTPsec changes: * Broadcast- and multicast modes, which are impossible to secure, have been

Re: Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread Hal Murray via devel
e...@thyrsus.com said: > Go ahead. Whatever broadcast code was left is pretty much a vermiform > appendix, anyway. The only leftovers that I know about are packet types. They may be used by ntpq. I remember a comment about there being no way to do broadcast securely. It would be good to

Re: Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
Hal Murray : > > e...@thyrsus.com said: > > That's covered. In the page on NTPsec changes: > > * Broadcast- and multicast modes, which are impossible to > > secure, have been removed. > > I was looking for more information. Why can't we secure it? Daniel explained it to me once, but I've

Re: Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread Hal Murray via devel
e...@thyrsus.com said: > That's covered. In the page on NTPsec changes: > * Broadcast- and multicast modes, which are impossible to > secure, have been removed. I was looking for more information. Why can't we secure it? What's wrong with using a public/private key to sign each broadcast

Re: Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread James Browning via devel
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 5:27 PM Hal Murray via devel wrote: > > e...@thyrsus.com said: > > That's covered. In the page on NTPsec changes: > > * Broadcast- and multicast modes, which are impossible to > > secure, have been removed. > > I was looking for more information. Why can't we secure

Re: Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread Hal Murray via devel
>> What's wrong with using a public/private key to sign each broadcast packet? > However, there is not reasonable protection against delayed or replayed > packets. Thanks. That's what I was looking for. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

Re: Does broadcast *server* mode still exist?

2019-08-18 Thread Hal Murray via devel
>> I was looking for more information. Why can't we secure it? > Daniel explained it to me once, but I've forgotten the details. Perhaps he'll > speak up. The delay/replay problem is fatal, at least with a simple public key system like I proposed. There is probably something like a FAQ